I have to agree with Robbie here. MFC is a totally different thing compared to cams.com type of sites. Its the same as trying to say that Tubes and TGPs are a failure, and its not. Both will exist because there are all kinds of customers. Are you having any hardcore shows on MFC?

I just went to MFC, and I searched for KristyLIVE The search came back with no results. Like she doesn't exist. Maybe the search feature on MFC doesn't work?
Damn, and after you go to the search page and get no results...it appears the "HomePage" link doesn't do anything on Firefox. And of course if you hit the "Back" button on the browser you end up leaving the entire site. :(

I also just spent a few minutes looking at several girls...how do you know when they get tipped? Am I missing something? Or are these girls just not getting tipped?

Right now I'm looking at "AmyGiovanny" lol She looks like a really hot latina. Just loud music playing with a bad webcam (not hd like the other sites) and she is begging for tips. :(

Do they have the ability to stream bigger? We do that on our cam shows and we have a big stage setup with aluminum trussing, lights, a futon, a fuck machine, toys, props...

OH WAIT! I just saw a tip happen. Okay. It was 10 tokens. Now I see how it works. I'm gonna look around a bit more and see if there are "HD" streaming capabilities

I have checked out Myfreecams.com before and I agree with Robbie... it's an interesting site but if we cant promote it, why should any of us give a fuck?? And by the time they let affiliates in, a high percentage of customers are already cookied and the newness factor has worn off. BTW though to the OP, live jasmin lets you see the girls wih no signup required so thats hardly unique to MFC

You should never use Alexa, especially with certain advertisers.

Alexa had a deal with MegaVideo and rigs the rankings based on the info they pass back. This also benefits anyone advertising on the MegaVideo network. And now that the deal with MV and Alexa is over, those rankings are no longer faked. How trusted can they be now? Who knows ...

Use compete.com.

I never even understood Alexa. I thought their tracking was based on people who used their toolbar? I've never met anyone ever that used an Alexa toolbar.

I agree, if they had a program I would be right on it!

I just checked my sites with compete.com It is WAY off what my traffic numbers really are. Not even close. Not that Alexa is...but at least Alexa gives me some feel for where things stand and is much closer. At least that's what I'm seeing when I look at my sites in Compete. It's just not even in the ballpark. :(

their model is going to cash them good cash

Uhmmm...I'm guessing you mean it is "on the decline" from the sales you are getting. Cause it's traffic has done nothing but rise according to Alexa and Compete. But one thing is for sure...at the moment you are going to get 100% more sales off Streamate than you will off of the non-existent MFC affiliate program:

even if leo did have whitelabels, you wouldnt be able to get one with the peanut traffic you have.

:1orglaugh

50 MyFreeCams

Wont affect our Cams.

Money means nothing to a JP whale.

He should not give a white label, NOR accept webmasters..

if he ever do, they will kill the program.

It's working because he has no SPAMMING and BLACK HAT assholes promoting him...

That's exactly why he's doing so good... Nothing personal, but he doesn't need your 50 hits per day.

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I can't even see the site.... I guess Indonesian IP

same thing for me... im in Indonesia now and cant see the site. Guess they blocked the Country. Im sure if your Philippines no problem;) allot of slut down there doing webcam for them.

haha he does that to keep the chargeback ratios and guest (freeloader) traffic down

I resemble that remark:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Does Streamate have a white label program??

I clicked on their link: http://www.streamatecash.com/

and it takes me to a page that get a RED "site not safe" WARNING from Norton Simon.

WTF??

Di mana lah kmu di Indonesia? Saya mau info lagi websites kmu jual..

Yes checkout hotcams.com livecams.com camgirls.com

but they are selective, if you can make a few hundred a week with their
affiliate program then it is worth applying. You can link an affiliate program too,
hotcams.com has 150,000 hits a day like this!

indonesians, philips and indias have no credit cards and only want free stuff.. good job blocking them..

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Streamate has free chat just like almost every other ppv cam program, no cc needed. I do agree that streamate is right near the top of cam programs and I've made several thousand sales from them since 2001. Although conversion ratios have been in steady decline over the last year.

Not sure about that url or the warning page. Streamate refers to the cam network, it is run by www.mtree.com Many affiliate programs who have their own cam site are simply running a streamate white label and affiliate program. You have to contact www.mtree.com to see if you'll qualify for a white label, they don't just hand them out like other programs.

Quick MFC Report From Us
 

Okay, here is what we found today.

We signed up CM and she went on. She was on for 150 minutes and was tipped 1813 tokens or $90.65

Then we went on Streamate and in 72 minutes she made $99.29

Kind of a slow day for Streamate (CM makes about $110 an hour on a good day on Streamate) so I'm guessing it was a slow day on a nice Saturday afternoon for MFC too.

But as you can see...CM still made more money in less than half the time on Streamate.

My guess is that more guys with money are on Streamate. But that is just my theory from what I saw CM make and what I saw some of the little tiny teen girls who were basically real pushy demanding tips making when I watched them today as well on MFC.

I'm thinking that if CM were more of a pushy and demanding type like some of the girls I saw on MFC today that she could have probably upped that a bit. But that just isn't her style or personality. I kept telling her to ask them for tips but she felt embarrassed to beg. :(

Anyway, I would say that "yes" there is some money for the girls on MFC. Once CM gets a little more used to the more aggressive "begging" style and feels more comfortable doing that then she will be able to pull those numbers up I'm sure. I also feel like it was a good way to promote her website to some people who may not have seen it before...though the majority of the guys who were commenting were making statements like: "I can't believe it's really you" so I'm not sure if we really got any new eyes or not.

The model admin is top notch on MFC by the way. Really nice.
And we are going to give it some more time to develop and see how it works out...you know, try different days and times to find a "sweet spot"

But I'm still baffled as to why all the alleged webmasters in this thread whom can not make one single penny with MFC because you can not promote it...why are you guys cheerleading it like a bunch of horny surfers? lol

That's what doesn't make much sense to me. Unless you are all planning on opening "Studios" and putting some girls to work on MFC (which ain't a bad idea)


My final grade today: MFC = Pretty Damn Good
Streamate = Better

That of course is subject to change over time. But for now I see more guys with money at Streamate (every person chatting in the room is registered and has a credit card on file...no tokens, Shawn IS the biller). And at MFC you have a room with 1000 guys in it...maybe 50 are registered (potential customer IF they have tokens) and the rest are all "Guests" (no potential anything, unless you are like us and have a website to promote)

Had a handful of girls working on MFC. Money was not so fantastic. I found the support rude. I asked one question on ym and was ignored. I guess Leo is busy, but I would hope a studio with a simple question once a year might be reasonable.
I moved the girls to LiveJasmin. Money is a bit better there. He doesn't need me, I don't need him.

Do you have a clue about the industry yet?

Huh? What are you talking about?

Maybe that was his attempt to put me down. And maybe he works MFC support :1orglaugh

Oh do you guys have some issues or something? I didn't mean to step in the middle of any feuds.

All the talk on GFY had me curious about MFC. And some of the guys earlier in the thread told me to give it a shot. And even though common sense and experience kinda told me what would happen...you never really know until you try. :)

Anyway, that's my only crime. Curiosity.
I was really hoping that I would be wrong and CM would make thousands of dollars an hour. But I had a feeling that wouldn't be the case. I think with a few weeks of working MFC she could match what she makes on Streamate by building up some followers.

But I can't match the combined money we make with Streamate from her work + my affiliate money I make with them. Kinda sucks because I can't promote her being on MFC through our members and my free sites and viral marketing on social networks. So I lose half the income potential.

How do you know hotcams.com gets 150,000 unique hits a day?

Thanks

Hmmm, are you not the guy DESPERATELY asking for a job in the "Jobs for broken webmasters" forum?

Hmm, yes, that's you, so it looks like you are not able to make a cent anymore, dudie.

Do you have clue about the industry yet?

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No, I don't know Lace at all. Maybe it was directed at you and not me??
I think my question to MFC and Leo was about how to join models together for their group thing. Got rudely ignored. I didn't get into any arguments with Leo or MFC, I simply moved to better things. Wasn't earning for me either way, just supporting some models.
I posted mostly to counter some of these posts saying how they KNOW it's a given fact to make thousands working there. And how many payouts have they handled to know that?

myfreecams = strip panhandling

I commend you for giving mfc a shot and checking it out from a model's perspective. I think most of the hoopla from gfy is simply from a surfer's perspective, even though I'm not sure why now all of a sudden its getting hyped when mfc has been around for some time. There's quite a few tips and tricks to maximizing CM's time on mfc and you shouldn't think of mfc as being an alternative to streamate, but rather as an additional income source.

Seasoned models on mfc that have their own solo site use any chance to promote their own url and mfc doesn't seem to have a problem with it like most other cam networks. You can have your CM url posted at the bottom of your cam or use the mfc chat bot to scroll your url periodically throughout her cam session. Letting mfc surfers know that they can watch CM in hardcore guy/girl videos and then directing them to your url would be a great way to pump in a bunch of new members. You can be broadcasting on streamate and mfc simultaneously and when a streamate private comes, have CM broadcast that on mfc and let the tips flow in while she's doing the private show. I've seen models broadcast their one hour hardcore Camz show on mfc simultaneously. Heck, you could even broadcast your member's area cam show live on mfc simultaneously and make some easy tips.

The key to model success on mfc is to always be near the top of the list as most surfers sort their list by rating. The popular models get the surfers to go into their profile and rate them pushing them towards the top of the list. My guess is that the top 10% on the list make 80% of the overall tips. Once a model gets their rating up and is near the top of the list and starts to attract a large viewing audience it can really steamroll from there. Its not without coincidence that the models near the top of the list also happen to be the ones who show the most in free chat. Once a model learns to be aggressive and also work the group mode the tips get better. Some models refuse to go into private mode because they can make more just showing in free mode. CM could simply use mfc as an additional income stream without really having to invest much more time than she already is.

That's exactly how I'm looking at it now. Another really good targeted way to advertise claudia-marie.com

When we were first invited to have CM on MFC a few weeks ago that was part of the pitch.

But like I told them then...on Streamate we already do that too. Bode is a biller himself. So we sell memberships to claudia-marie.com right off of her streamate profile and split it with Bode as if he were an affiliate and he takes care of the billing. It's a pretty sweet deal.

And any memberships sold off Streamate or MFC are easy sales because they are the ultimate targeted traffic. You have guys who specifically want to see a particular girl. They watch her LIVE, and then they have a link right in front of them to buy a membership.

Now with Streamate it's a lot easier to sell memberships. Bode already has their credit card and it's a "one click" sale. No need for them to even put their info in again.

That's why I keep saying that MFC is pretty damn good. But Streamate is just better. Mostly because of Bode and his much greater experience in this industry. The guy is just plain out one of the smartest guys in this business. And my ego doesn't let me give out compliments like that very easily.

Lace was obviously drunk posting last night playa.

Robbie, don't you think when a model moves to a new platform it needs some time to build up her local fan base and get familiar with her and her schedule?

Yes I do. That's why I was saying that after a couple of weeks it can probably do a lot better.

I think it can do about as good as Streamate. But not some of the wild and crazy numbers that were being tossed about earlier. I did take some time and watched some of the other girls. I tried to stick to the skinny teen looking ones as they seemed to be the money makers on MFC

But most of them were pretty much just like going to an aggressive strip club. And then when the girl would start doing something you'd have one guy tip her like 400 tokens and then a thousand guys just kinda watching. lol

Keep in mind that 400 tokens is $20 Heck a thousand tokens is only $50 So making the "voyeur tips" is a hard row to hoe. CM made most of her money on there in "Group" Which was pretty much just like any other cam site.

Difference is that the model has no power over what she charges. So you really don't know what the heck you made until it's all over.

But yes, I think with time CM could bring her money on MFC up to par with what she makes on Streamate. But she would have to get used to being a lot more aggressive and beg for tips. And that is gonna be a major hurdle because that is the complete opposite of who she is and the image that we have built of her character over the last 3 years.

The other problem is...when you know you can make X amount of money on one site for an hour of your time, and you can only make Y amount of money on another site: How much money are you willing to lose while you build up a following on the new site with the theory that maybe it will one day make the same money?

It's kinda hard to get her to spend that kind of time. We have a pretty busy schedule as is. And even on Streamate she is lucky to be able to find the time to do an hour or two a day.

Don't get me wrong though...I think MFC is a real good cam site. And I can definitely see where a girl who is a "shark" at the strip club can do REAL good on there. BUT, having said that...those same girls can make a lot more at the strip club (especially when you throw in escorting). So I'm guessing they do MFC just because they are burnt out on going to the club, or their boyfriends are jealous and want them to do cams so they will be at home (I know quite a few girls who do webcam because of that reason)

I'm gonna try to convince CM to go on MFC at least a few times a week and see how it goes. If nothing else we may get a guy or two who has never seen her before and get a join out of it while making a few bucks at the same time. So it's a win/win for everybody. :)


EDIT: The tokens are 10 cents each. MFC splits 50/50 with the model So the model gets 5 cents per token. Just wanted to clarify that. So a guy tipping 400 tokens really tipped $40, but the girl gets $20

Props for you for testing rather speculating like most :-)

That setup with streamate does sound nice, I can see why you wouldn't want to try anything else. Never heard of Bode, is he in charge of the streamate backend and models, I've only dealt with the affiliate side - Mtree. Have you ever had Claudia use something like splitcam where she can broadcast on multiple cam networks simultaneously? What if she simply did her privates on streamate as usual and you just broadcasted them on mfc at the same time. I'm sure streamate wouldn't like that, but they don't necessarily have to know.