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Originally Posted by Ethersync
(Post 17327369)
You are putting a lot of words in my mouth I did not say.
I will try to make this very simple for you to understand...
If you could not afford to support yourself and needed a job that you could not find in "buttfuck nowhere" then yes. Sell your shit and move to somewhere with at least a 5 digit population and find work and live within your means. For you specifically, since you say you can get by fine, keep at the extreme fisting site and bunker down.
To be honest, the almost-off grid home you have sounds great. I wish I had a place like that.
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No, not really putting words in your mouth at all. But, trying to show you that nothing is quite as black and white as you seem to think it is. Question, you say sell everything and move... ok, exactly how would you go about doing this? I mean right now, your lucky to get what, Half of what your place is worth, maybe less. On the other items maybe 25% or less.
How much of what remains is then eaten in the actual moving expenses, the securing of a new residence, etc. Plus you now have to figure in that you now know nobody, so you don't have that working for you anymore. You've just basically liquidated what little you have left to fall on, and uprooted to a mystery and the slim hope that you might be able to compete with the other herd of skilled workers who thought the same thing you did and are now competing for the same limited resource.
Meanwhile, your living off what ever you where able to liquid and slowing (or quickly) getting to absolute zero. When you reach that then what? Your now living in the city, you have nothing and no way to produce for yourself. (IE no hunting fishing gardens etc) The guy next to you would as soon shoot you as look at you, cause I'm betting at this point your not exactly living anywhere considered "upper or even middle" class at this point.
What I'm trying to explain to you is that your solution does not make sense today. Your telling people to take what little they have left and waste it in and chance to put themselves into what, will most likely be, even a worse situation. Gone is the time of the simple cut back and your fine, If you can not get work that supports even the basic requirements of life.
When everything really goes to shit, where do you think it will start, in butt fuck nowhere or in the city.
Face it. the system is broken. It has been for a long time. Nothing short of a total wipe is going to change it because the people in charge are only worried about their bottom line. It does not matter what so called political side you claim to be on. They are all the same.
Out here, people are doing things about it. becoming more and more self sufficient and living with so called less (no one cares if you drive the latest car or have the nicest house etc) Me, I one of the main cars I drive around here is a piece of shit 85 C-10 I bought for cash 2 years ago for 800 bucks total investment. It starts every time I need it and hauls anything I ask it to and has to date required a heater core, a new battery and a starter in return. All things a monkey with a wrench could do. I buy cars I can afford with cash. I save in many ways, since I don't ever pay interest on them, I don't pay for full coverage insurance and they hardly ever depreciate from the point I buy them to when I sell them.
Case in point I bought a 99 Sonata for 1500 bucks last year. Put 13k on it over the year and just sold it monday for 1500 bucks. So basically, I got to travel 13k for the cost of the gas, and the insurance on the car (37 bucks a month) The landrover I bought on monday I paid 1000 bucks for. And it's sweet, one owner perfect int. decent miles etc. I'll keep it for a few years, and when I turn it I should actually turn a profit on it. You just have to be smart about stuff.
The off grid build is in my opinion the only way to go. Problem is, if you can afford to do it, then you can afford not to. The government does not want us doing it despite everything you may hear, why would they want us to move AWAY from their dependance? If everyone did it, the current system would collapse. So, prices are kept very high to discourage most. Go price out a simple 2 4x8 flat collector water heating system once. Your looking at 10k investment upfront. Takes a LOT of hat water usage to justify it for most people. In my case, I'm handy (no pun intended) So I bought my collectors used and am building the system from scratch with my own 2 hands including the storage tanks etc. I'm also recouping that effort by plumbing my home with Pex line under slab to use that hot water to heat my house in the winter. No small project, but it's (to me) fun to do and satisfying. I build my own chicken coop and currently have about 35 chicken running around. I get Fresh eggs every day for breakfast and fresh chick whenever I feel like it.
I have paster around me, and will be buying a cow. My next door is letting my have my cow graze for free with theirs, and I'll have it processed when its large enough and buy another. My kids are growing up knowing exactly where food comes from. They chase the chickens around and have fun with them. My 4 year old even thanks them for the eggs lol.
Deer meat... basically free. Ok, the cost of a license and a bullet. I trim them out myself.
No, all in all I much rather live life as I am and build up what I have here my way. Not dependent on handouts etc.
