While I agree with green power in every way, I was on a nuclear submarine. It's power supply was the size of a baseball and lasted 10 years. The time for expanding that tech is when the economy is better. His pay outs to green jobs has done terrible, it's not about his ideas, it's how they are carried out

I give you the HYBRID, the carbon footprint to build one is in some cases 4 times that of a conventional car, the metals used in the batteries are nasty to the environment.
And if you drive down the freeway at the speed limit, you'll be passed by several cars, when you see a hybrid going over the speed limit, he's getting about the same gas mileage you are.

Very interesting really.

We hated Bush because of the wars, but Obama extended it. It doesn't matter if we want to be there or not, we need to follow through and stay until the job is done. If that's the next fifty years, so be it. We are still in Germany, still in Japan, and still in South Korea.

As for the Patriot Act, it was needed. At least some form of it. Does anyone know anyone who was ever arrested or had their civil liberties violated by the Patriot Act? No. Of course not.

When it comes to how much money Bush and Obama spent... Bush spent money because he wanted to. They do it all the time - spend spend spend and then pass the buck onto the next guy. But what the last guy - Bush - failed to factor in was that we left the country in the worst possible shape ever. And the only way to get the ship moving again is for our government to spend money. Right now we have a massive construction project near our house, paid for by your tax dollars (well, if you live in California anyhow). I wonder how many hundreds of millions of dollars are being spent on this fourteen mile freeway by-pass - and how many jobs it created. I'm sure it's got hundreds of construction workers, but let's think about the engineering firms, architects, truck drivers, suppliers, concrete companies, etc....

Who's fault is it? It's Bush's fault. It's pretty simple. If I am the CEO of a company for eight years and I run it into the ground, after the new guy is in office for a year do we really expect him to have everything fixed? Of course not. It's going to take us a lot longer to unfuck this.

There where multiple reasons, the first being, it was the first time someone had tried to put something in the state that actually back feed the energy, so of course that became a fight with the power company, by the time that was settled and won, the new taxes went into effect basically negating any gain from using them in the first place, done to protect the power company against people going "off grid"

The hybrid is a sad mistake... a stepping stone, but stupid. for the reasons you clearly point out. But, for cars, there are other alternatives that do not have those same limitations but do have the limitations of a minuet infrastructure able to currently support them (hydrogen)

The hybrid is just and example of the public being tossed a bone to make them "feel good" and does nothing to actually help the problem.

Right now the Tea Party is organizing, given time, I think they will become a force, simple agenda, "fiscal responsibility"

When is the last time unemployment was extended for 99 weeks? The GOP did offer up an answer, use some of the stimulus money they are sitting on, they were ignored

They offered up a health care plan, they were ignored

They wanted to NOT block drilling in the gulf, they are afraid of loosing literally thousands of jobs, and they laid out exactly why, but were ignored.

Sorry, putting the government in charge of the banks, that makes sense? Leaving out Freddie and Fannie makes sense?


AMP, I'm not saying the GOP has the answers, but the direction Barry is taking us is not the right direction, more regulation strangles business. Go ask any business owner how hard it has become to run a business and how regulation has hurt the bottom line and kept them from expanding.

we used a method of taking clean water and separating the oxygen and hydrogen using electrolysis, we stored the oxygen for our air and pumped the Hydrogen overboard thru a diffuser to keep bubbles from being spotted
that technology has been around for several decades, my sub was built in 69
Now take that technology and keep both gases, inject them into a chamber and light a match, BOOM, you have combustion and water coming out of the tail pipe

Very interesting link, thanks!!!


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The teabaggers... what a joke. Take a group of people to mindless to think for themselves and feed them just enough to make them mad at something they don't understand. Religion is the direct cause of this "moment" it has trained generations to be simple followers disregarding anything that has to do rational. Putting (faith) above common sense. It's these very "sheep" that will blindly follow any retarded thing feed to them that we should be worried about. not because of so called power, but because this just shows the rest of the world how stupid most americans are.

Exactly, and why has it taken this long to make is a viable source of fuel? Because if you give everyone the ability to self generate their power, there would be no way to charge them monthly for your service. We are being kept on the grid cause it keeps us in the governments control.

america is still racist and it's core. the rich white frat boy trashes the joint then they send in the negro janitor to clean up the mess.

This guy is an idiot. The financial crisis was caused by deregulation during the Bush Administration, not Obama's. The wars were also inherited by Obama, not Bush.

I'm not sure but I think you forgot something. While you can make combustable fuel in this way, the amount of energy it takes is high compared the amount of energy you get back, making it expensive and inefficient. To do it right you need a very cheap source of electricity and a cheap ans safe method of storage.

For example, it is cheaper to heat your home with electricity then to electrolysize (sp?) water with electricity and burn its hydrogen & oxygen. To break water molecules apart requires some electricity, and the larger your water tanks are (and the more fuel you want to create), the more resistance there is in the water (Ohms Law V=RI). You can fix this by adding salt, but too much salt and too much electricity will cause the salt to break up into Sodium and Chloride (Dangerous!). The electricity has to be DC not AC, and the voltage has to be regulated to be efficient.

http://green.autoblog.com/2010/07/06...rogen-station/

This is my point... there is no reason that we could not be all doing this. using solar, wind and in some placed even hydroelectric. There are other solutions out there that actually produce enough energy that they not only give you what you need for your car but for your entire house.

Question for you asshole What has Obama done that has any dent in the debt or the economy in a positive nature during his 18 month reign?

or are you just going by Obamas economic advisors,? LMAO

You're listening to the liberal media too much, I watched one of them on "The View" which has to be about one of the most liberal talk shows and she said her message and was praised by them. They only have one message, "FISCAL RESPONCIBILITY" And why does the liberal fear them, the day after Michelle Obama gives a speech to the NAACP, the NAACP declares racism on the Tea Party. They are a bunch of people that are getting organized and in time unless they give up, will have a voice in Washington, they have formed their own caucus

I agree, the government is the the greatest hamper on the developing new power sources, they have always been, now with more regulation on business, thats going to be set in stone

It's what they are trying to make it look like anyway even if they aren't achieving much yet.

The new government have also been asking for suggestions off of the public as to any changes that need making - not sure if anything will come out of it though.

The labour government were voted out partly just due to how long they had already been in power as well as having a charisma-free leader that just seemed to suck the life out of anyone around him. There is only so long you can go on blaming the previous administration for things before everyone realises that actually you havn't really got a clue what you are doing.

That is the question.

Who had $6 gas?

He doesn't live here. His opinion means squat as he has no dog in the fight.

I'll take a stab at that.... (sort of)..

Nothing. Or at least nothing that is showing any signs of real success yet. I guess I'm not ready to write the guy off just yet. It took GW 8 years to screw things up this bad. I don't know if Obama can hang on long enough to see any positive results from anything he's done. Too many people hate him just for the sake of hating him. It's really odd to me that there are people, many many people, that want to see Obama fail more than anything, for what reason? Why does the right want to see this guy fail at making things better?

Every day I see this stuff and it always leaves my jaw hanging open. Think about this for just a minute: Bush was actively fucking things up... proper, for 8 years. I can't think of one single thing that improved with Bush in office. Well, rich people and the corporate overlords will disagree, but that's obvious. Yet for the right, it's like it never happened. Instead, crucify the new guy trying to fix all this shit. Make up 100% fake "news" stories when all else fails. Fringe lunatic groups like the tea people and Glenn Beck burning up television air time & predicting the end of the world every single day and protesting either something they don't understand or don't even know why they're protesting it in the first place.

Does anyone really believe that we would be better off today with McCain / Palin in there? Honestly?

Says the guy that knows everything about the Canadian healthcare system.

Thanx for clearing that up, my mother will visiting London next spring, she'll be with her friend looking at english gardens, my mom is a hell of a gardener. The two of them just got back from Alaska, they saw some grizzly bears and a glacier. Beats waiting at home in 108 degree weather

where have I heard that before?:2 cents:

Hey idiot, when have I ever said that? EVERYTHING I have EVER said about your health care system was relayed to me by your brother Canadians.

I don't think they have black people in Canada.

Glenn Beck is an entertainer, he's not a democrat or a republican, he's a libertarian, he believes in the Constitution and brings up things that the administration does that are against it.

I would hardly call the Tea Party a fringe group, I would call Bill Ayers, Obama's Friend a terrorist

I didn't like Bush either, I thought at the end of his term that the only thing he did that benefited the American People was keep us from having more attacks from terrorist.

I didn't like McCain either, but I liked Barry even worse, I mean come on, a politician from Chicago, known for corrupt government?

Sarah Palin was attacked for every little thing she did, why was the liberal press so afraid of her? Now she's getting bank for speaking her mind and is doing pretty good, do I want her as a president, NO, but Newt Gingrich, there's someone I could get behind, I have nothing but respect for that guy.

After Bush became president for a second term, I changed my party affiliation to independent. I have conservative views, I believe that the government waste money that if we changed that, would turn around the country and now I have a president that is wasting more money that any one president in history, and he's even raising racial tensions, I can't for the life of me say one thing I like about him, I even liked Jimmy Carter more than Obama

+1 for you sir!

Sarah Palin is no saint. I'll remain polite and leave it at that.
Newt didn't bother me in the past because he was quiet, but lately he's been pushing into heavy agenda territory. The tea people have a very long way to go before anyone will take them seriously. There's Bachman who is notoriously nuts, Angle who is completely nuts, not sure who else is heading them up this week, they are completely unorganized. If we strip away the stuff that's totally insane and all the racist bullshit, what they're left with is still too extreme to ever grab a majority in any way. Nor do I think the GOP wants them usurping their position.

I agree though, the government wastes astronomical amounts of money. Why is it always the poor and middle class that get ass-fucked though? You want to look around the government for waste, it's always "fuck the little guy" is the first solution. That's my problem with conservatives.

Want to cut a ton of waste right now, today? End those two wars in the middle east. Wars the conservative leader of days of yore began. The fact that Obama hasn't done that, yeah it pisses me off. But I know McCain wouldn't end them. If the government had to audit themselves and tighten their belts on all fronts like the rest of us, we'd conceivably be able to cut an amazing amount of waste. But....

Here's my question: Why the fuck doesn't anyone ever do it?

He hasn't but to be fair he didn't claim he would.

And how come Bush & Cheney have never been held accountable for their little Guantanamo torture camp?

Fact is that no matter which president is in office, it is the Congress that has the real power over domestic policy.

Personally I believe that the answer your question lies with Term Limits. Without them, a congressman's job simply becomes doing things that he/she thinks will get them re-elected. Quite often that involves giving money/tax incentives/boosts to pension funds/increases in government benefits/growing bureaucracy, etc, etc, etc... All growing government.

There is no incentive for a politician to make the hard short term choices that might benefit the country in the long term.

If we put term limits into the mix, then their first term would be more involved in living up to original positions taken during campaigns, and then the second would simply be doing what they thought was best to do, since there would be no possibility of re-election, and they would then have to go back to the real world of living under the laws, taxes, and bureaucracy's that they had created. Now they live in congress for 30 years, or at least leave with a life-time pension!

I don't offer it as a panacea, but it would at least be a step in the right direction IMHO.


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I never post a response to posts like this, I just couldn't help myself.

What is frustrating about this post is the vehemence with which conservatives attack Obama. They feel it is justified because of the vehemence that Bush was attacked with for so many years. The problem is it is not just: "you hate our guy we'll hate your guy" for a myriad of reasons, none the least of them is that the U.S.A.and it's people are the losers.

No the real problem with this is that in September of 2001 while standing on top of the rubble that was 9/11 George W. Bush had a 93% approval rating. He then orchestrated the single worst presidency since.........well ever......and it was only after a long slow slide of fuck ups and poor management that the press, the people, his own party, really got on him and decided that he was the worst President in history. That is a fact.

Now, the party out of power, this time republicans, are treating Obama as if he has ALSO had dozens of fuck ups and deserves to be excoriated for every move he makes just like Bush was. It took folks a long time after the salad days of Clinton to turn on George Bush; 93% were on his side for a good while...me too. However as he slipped into tragedy after management tragedy he was criticized by the press, foreign and domestic and became literally the worst President we've ever had. Now the republican party is trying to make up a list: "Birthers" racism whatever they can find to make Obamas list look like a Bush list.

Your video tried to show Bush in a good light. I'll say it again: HE was the single worst President our country has ever had, including Nixon who I was around to see "resign". He was not a smart Man, he was not concerned with our country, he was and is an idiot, who rode Daddy s coat tails through college to Texas to the white house and tried to help his buddies anyway he could. He was a disaster.

His party however continues to keep our country behind and has done more to keep this country from moving forward out of this recession than anything Obama has "done" or not done. Keep saying "no" and nothing will happen, you'll prove Obama anemic and then you can reclaim the white house in 2012. The American people will lose, but more importantly our country looks moronic overseas. You will get the white house back, where you can place Sarah Palin....I'm not even going there.

The real tragedy is we finally have a smart guy, a true thinker in the white house and the republicans want him out because.....just because. The Republicans are not trying to help me. They are not trying to help you. We could lead this world, and instead the republicans tie the hands of a smart Man and then blame him for not pulling harder.

Just as an FYI, the reason Bush was so scorned by the press, and Obama seems to be getting a pass, is because this is Bush's list: (in no particular order)

Outing Valerie Plame (treason)
Abu Ghraib
Denying Global warming
Invading Iraq
Selling the Ports to Saudia Arabia
Harriet Meyers
NOT catching Osama Bin Laden
No bid government contracts
Hurricane Katrina (4 day wait to act)
Mis-use of the Patriot Act
Spying on Americans
Illegal Wire Taps
Guantanamo Bay
Cutting Gov. Regulations = destroying the economy
NOT supplying body armor to the troops he put in harms way
Going AWOL from The National Guard
Conservatives will love this one: Approving 787 Billion dollar stimulus plan for the destruction of the economy that he orchestrated over 8 years and then leaving the mess / blame and problems to Obama. Conservatives love to blame Obama for the stimulus and say he is a tax and spend liberal spending.....whatever they call him. (it was Bush)

I'm sure there are many many more, these are what coms to mind as I sit here. Again, my point is that before we retire Obama to history, while we have him in the white house, and he hasn't proven himself to be a disaster (like G.W.B. proved) lets give him a chance to get us out of this mess. Lets vote with him once or twice (even once) to see if this very smart guy, has it in him to move us forward.

Or...I guess we could sit around and just bitch about it some more.

Once you go black you never go back.

That's a very cool site, I'll pass it on, thanx
According to Glenn Beck, they would then become Civil Servants instead of Politicians

You lost me here

This is a very tangential to our original conversation, however some folks believe that we have reached a point of no return regarding Global warming and that our opportunity to embrace this as "real" and Man made and change the course of the trajectory came and went with the Kyoto treaty during the Bush white house. (G.W.B. did not attend.)

We are,haven't you been paying attention.

This is telling. Old Bush got fired in 92' because of the economy which seemed to get immediately better under clinton. Clinton got the accolades for fixing the economy. The economy started a downturn in the last quarter of clinton's last term, but he gets no credit for this. 9-11 happens and bush is blamed. bp oil spill on obama's watch and bush is blamed. Obama can't get anything done because the republicans block, but obama has the house and a super majority in the senate.... but the republicans are to blame because obama cant get things done?

Look, I don't like the republicans any better than the democrats. But it is disingenuous to criticize one party for the same thing the other does.

Quoted for comedy.

I love the part about Obama a "true thinker", but those wascially webublicans block all his genius moves. Well, if Obama is so clever, how can he be thwarted by a super minority republican senate and a minoruty house. Seems he should be able to get what he wants....which I think he has so far.

Bush was an idiot. But THE ONLY DIFFERENCE between bush and obama, besides 30 iq points, is the d and r after their names. Neither give a fuck about you, your family or anyone you know. All the trust you put in obama is because he speaks intelligently and is not gw. His hands aren't tied, they are busy in your pocket.

And for the obama believers........ what has he done that has helped the economy or the country for that matter?

Also, what has he proposed to help the country that the republicans shut him down on.... this should be good, I am waiting for this train wreck:upsidedow.

Some are you are as dumb as humanly possible. GW was a shitty president. But Obama managed to do in 2 years what Bush barely did in 8, and that's fuck up our economy beyond belief. The guy might be articulate but that's about all he has going for him. He doesn't have any core values which is why he flip flops so often. He doesn't possess an inkling of economic knowledge which is why he kept Bernanke and Krugman around. The guy is an imbecile. Granted I would still take him over someone like Palin, but this fool is 4 and out.

Now THIS is quoted for both comedy and truth.

maybe it was the beach front property that Al Gore bought after saying the oceans were going to rise because the ice melting, or the freeze that distroyed my garden in late aprile
or maybe because they changed the name from global warming to climate change because it wasn't getting warmer, if fact, we're having a mild summer in Redding california

Have you ever noticed that most progressives/liberals don't say I love my country, but conservatives say it all the time