Yes, I'm always paying attention.

911 happens and Bush is blamed.

You see a problem with this? "Bin Laden Determined To Attack Within The United States" was referred to as a "historical document" by condi rice. She called it merely a summary of concerns being passed down the line.

Condoleeza Rice also stated that the aluminum tubes found in iraq "were ONLY suitable for uranium enrichment". Years later when the documents from the inspectors were made public, they showed that while Rice was saying they were ONLY suitable for uranium, the experts actually reported to her that they were NOT suitable for uranium, and the only viable use for the aluminum tubes was for mortars.

Wolf Blitzer even had her nailed down on live tv, and that brain dead moron ALLOWED her to get off by saying "I stand by my statements at the time". Fucking idiot.

And if you all believe that Bush inherited 911 or some stupid bullshit, you are truly, seriously idiots.

So then you are saying that the idiot that George W Bush was fucked up foreign policy so bad within nine months of taking office that it caused a historic act of terrorism?

Or are you saying that the idiot that George W Bush was somehow able to manufacture the massive conspiracy behind 9/11 within nine months of taking office?

Yes, they are that blind.

*I'm* saying that the denial of ANYTHING bad happening under Bush is so strong with some people that it renders their arguments 100% useless and futile! A total and complete waste of energy to engage them.

Also, look at what I said. The Bush administrations top officials responsible for the wars were lying. What is it when people are telling lies to the entire country for their own personal reasons? I forget the word and punishment for it.

By the way, if there is a successful attack on the US during ANYONES administration and they CLEARLY and blatantly ignored, missed, misinterpreted the most obvious obvious signs of it.. told lies to support their resulting actions... I'd call them fucking idiots and liars too. You cant let the same assholes rewrite history for their own benefit!

We're secure in our beliefs and goals. We don't need to constantly reassure ourselves or put on a lame patriotic front for the public. We're about gettin' shit done, no fluff required.

Bush fucked the economy, idiot.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...163437134.html

Even Murdoch owned WSJ knows better than to claim what you have.

Actually, he takes a pretty balanced (for the leftish WSJ) view as to whether the present track of the administration is the correct one or not. He notes that economists differ on it, (although it's obvious what side he's on), and that the EU is concentrating now on cutting spending, not increasing it. Not really a lot of Bush Administration bashing here.... just talking about philosophies of governments and economists.


Good article.

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Yeah he is a real stand up guy. He had a mistress and divorced his wife while she was practically on her deathbed suffering from breast cancer.

Pretty sure that's gonna come up when if he decides to run.

The article was fine but they do say that Bush was responsible for economy woes. As for the WSJ being leftist, that is in the past. Murdoch picked this up to further his agenda and they have gone far to the right.

Idiot.

http://www.examiner.com/x-4383-Portl...-detector-test

Even the right wing cheerleader Elisabeth Hasselbeck thinks this woman is full of shit.

Look ... i will save you some time and energy.

Just start learning Chinese. The direction you are headed means they will be in control soon (if not already). Learn some Chinese, it will aid you in the new world.

And before you Americans get all upset and have a tantrum, history has proven that nothing lasts forever. The fall of the US is so much like the fall or Rome and even many other world superpowers.. its frightening. Embrace the change .. its coming whether you like it or not.

And the democrats believed it with what little proof was presented them, move on

I wasn't talking about politicians, I was talking about real people

And Obama fucked it more, whats your point you fucking moron?

Working in porn, you're going to bring up the guy likes sex, oh yeah, that will work, I'm more concerned about what he'll do if he becomes president and not focus on Monica's cigars

Uhhhhhhhhh.......


He was talking about Newt Gringrich, not Al Gore.


You're getting as worked up as I do sometimes.... when I start just reacting in a knee jerk fashion before thinking it through all the way.

Never mind, happens to the best of us sometimes

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This girl's nipples are pretty darn long!

Kind of like turkey thermometers...

http://www.boobiemovies.com/Big-Boun...der01Large.jpg

of course, because we all know how great things were with Ronnie Raygun-
01/1981 - Unemployment rate 7.5% …. Reagan sworn in.
02/1981 - 7.4%
03/1981 - 7.4%
04/1981 - 7.2%
05/1981 - 7.5%
06/1981 - 7.5%
07/1981 - 7.2%
08/1981 - 7.4% * Reagan CUTS taxes for top 1% and says unemployment will DROP to 6.9%.
09/1981 - 7.6%
10/1981 - 7.9%
11/1981 - 8.3%
12/1981 - 8.5%

01/1982 - 8.6%
02/1982 - 8.9%
03/1982 - 9.0%
04/1982 - 9.3%
05/1982 - 9.4%
06/1982 - 9.6%
07/1982 - 9.8%
08/1982 - 9.8%
09/1982 - 10.1%
10/1982 - 10.4%
11/1982 - 10.8% * Unemployment HITS a post WW2 RECORD of 10.8%.
12/1982 - 10.8% * Reagan’s approval rating slips to 35%.

01/1983 - 10.4%
02/1983 - 10.4%
03/1983 - 10.3%
04/1983 - 10.3%
05/1983 - 10.1%
06/1983 - 10.1%
07/1983 - 9.4%
06/1983 - 9.5%
07/1983 - 9.4%
08/1983 - 9.5%
09/1983 - 9.2%
10/1983 - 8.8%
11/1983 - 8.5%
12/1983 - 8.3%

01/1984 - 8.0%
02/1984 - 7.8%

It took Reagan 28 MONTHS to get unemployment rate back down below 8%.

so whats this thread about again?

OK, lets play a little shall we?
The unemployment rate is the amount of people on Unemployment, Correct?
Back when Reagan was president, you lost your benefits after 6 months and you were taken off that percentage.
so Current unemployment rate is based on people that have lost their jobs in the last two years.
During Reagan's time it was people that lost their jobs in the last 6 months

Since the % is about the same, that would indicate that the numbers were worse during Reagan's time, yet he did some solid things that got people working, still waiting on Obama, but if they keep extending the benefits, you can never compare them really

I find it funny that if you're going to compare the two presidents, you would leave out they are doing completely different approaches to saving the economy


Also since you've brought it up, Clinton played with the numbers as well by including the military

you wanted to play, so checkmate-
you're saying that unemployment during raygun's period was worse, so in 23 months he managed to get unemployment to 10.8%...impressive, and it only took him 17 months to get the number back down to when he was sworn in :1orglaugh

so obama comes in when the country is a complete mess thanks to 8 years of utter incompetence and we are supposed to think that everything should be peachy after a year in office?

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LMAO, you just proved my point thank you, been 18 months and Obama hasn't got levels back to when he was sworn in.
You didn't read my post
More people were unemployed during Reagan's presidency, (BTW, he ended the cold war, torn down the wall in Germany and reversed inflation, so spell his name right)
They are cooking the books , you didn't get that? I thought you were more intelligent than that, guess not!
You can't compare the two numbers, X doesn't equal Y

BTW, the incompetence started in 06, right after the democrats took the house and senate, that's when everything started to fall apart. I didn't like Bush either, but I seem to have a better understanding of how the government works

So you're actually saying Jimmy carter was twice as bad a president as gw because it only took him 4 years to fuck up the economy. I get you know.

We know what Reagan did to spur economic growth; what has obama done?

Do you think they should let the tax cuts expire?

Has obama made any mistakes?

:1orglaugh what the hell? when raygun was sworn in the unemployment numbers were low and he managed to severely fuck them up in 23 months! hahaha

obama came into a depression, what do you want?

holy crap people live in denial.

can you comprehend english?
when raygun came in the unemployment rate was 7.5%.
23 MONTHS LATER unemployment was at 10.8%.
little to do with carter...sheesh

Raygun marked the beginning of the end, trickle down voodoo economics and the collapse of US manufacturing in favor of cheap foreign goods.

Take some time to read, Raygun opened the gateway to Japanese steel and decimated US steel manufacturing among many other blunders designed to benefit the top 1% which eventually lead to what we have now.

deregulation at its finest...a complete disaster.

They also like to talk about family values and god... Then they end up in airport bathroom looking for gay sex or write nasty emails to 17 y.o. male interns.

It's springtime again. Smiles everyone! :wink:

Yep. Also, check out the Great Depression of 1920. Haven't heard of it? We have to thank the wisdom of Warren G Harding. Some commentators are saying that's how the US should have handled the crash of 2008.

I can comprehend English. But your numbers are bullshit quite frankly. You do realize that every administration changes the criteria for counting the unemployed and underemployed. With carter we had double digit inflation-interest rates and double digit unemployment. Things were worse in 79-81 than now, but we are not through this yet.

Here is some reading for you.


http://cafehayek.com/site/wp-content...unemployed.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US..._1890-2009.gif

But Clinton's NAFTA had nothing to do with the manufacturing base collapsing.


The top 1% is a real catch phrase for certain people. The "working man" (read unions) made US steel industry uncompetitive, just as the auto industry and any other industry strangulated by organized labor. We can argue the pros and cons of moving from a manufacturing based economy to a service based economy until we are blue in the face (and you might find we really agree). We can argue the pros and cons of large labor unions forever. None of this changes what is happening today.

I have asked what has Obama done to correct the situation now? To answer Bush fucked the economy up is not an answer. To blame trickle down economics is not an answer. There is an answer, but I am not sure anyone that reads this board knows it

Simplicity

Hey Shit for Brains, Still can't spell Reagan's name? Never heard of spell check?

And I guess your arrogant ass can't comprehend what I wrote about unemployment rates, what, don't have a GED? Had to drop out after the 3rd grade?


But hey you got me, It took Reagan to go from 7.5 to 10% 21 months according the bureau of labor, Obama did it in 9 months


Reagan ended the Iran crisis, under Obama we might go to war with them
Reagan ended the cold war
Reagan didn't bow to China when he went
Obama sent more troops to a war nobody wants

But hey, Obama got a Nobel peace prize for showing up?

were you the tranny in there blowing them?

That statement was about regular people, not politicians, so fuck you

Inflation was pretty bad back then
Reagan cut it in half
Even Hillary said during her president run that it needed to be overhauled


Yeah, eat the rich, that's all they have to say and Blame Bush
while workers on the auto line were making $90 an hour and getting huge retirements, now look at Detroit

Fucking Idiots still saying "Bush Did it" when they should be asking "What has Barry done to fix it?"

Fuck Vendzilla is so retarded that it hurts my head.

hey, you're the one defending an actor who liked to fuck chimps:1orglaugh

bedtime for bonzo:1orglaugh

yep, enjoy eating all the shit the chinese can shove down your throat idiot.

Your head hurts because theres nothing up there, fucking moron

Got to love debating with morons that change the subject

:Oh crap

I really don't know what to say next........... thanks? :eatme

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I just hate Barry, it's a hobby

:1orglaugh I have heard that Obama has employed 2 full time people to monitor GFY for public opinion/advice. Fatfoo is one but I have yet to figure out the other:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh