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Tom_PM 08-05-2010 08:44 AM

"The people" also said that blacks should not be integrated into the armed forces. Didnt Fox report that news last week like everyone else? ~85% of soldiers said at the time that integrating blacks would destroy the US army. Truman did it anyway because he possessed enough simple common sense to see the handwriting on the wall. Will it be the GOP agenda to repeal that too?

Amputate Your Head 08-05-2010 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17391894)
"The people" also said that blacks should not be integrated into the armed forces. Didnt Fox report that news last week like everyone else? ~85% of soldiers said at the time that integrating blacks would destroy the US army. Truman did it anyway because he possessed enough simple common sense to see the handwriting on the wall. Will it be the GOP agenda to repeal that too?

The "people" also said blacks can't marry whites, and at one point blacks couldn't even marry other blacks.

The "people" aren't necessarily the wisest owls.

gumdrop 08-05-2010 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17391885)
I'm absolutely down for this. Get rid of that word altogether. It's attached to religion anyway. There needs to be a neutral legal process.

Why should we give "religists" that word? It doesn't belong to them. It belongs to humanity as it always has been throughout the ages. They've tried to take words make them there own.

I fed up with it.

:2 cents:

Vendzilla 08-05-2010 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by gumdrop (Post 17391875)
Sorry to burst your bubble but "marriage" has had many incarnations throughout history, culture and civilization.

It continues to be "rewritten" as man evolves.

So when has it been other than a husband and wife?

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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash (Post 17391874)
I agree. Its so ironic that the majority of people that call for "smaller government" also push for more imposing government regulations. We live in a land of contradiction.

Not about more regulations, just don't want to change the meaning of Marriage
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Personally, I think the word marriage should be taken out of the arguement completely and everyone wanting to bond themselves to another individual should be documented as a "civil union"- hetero and same sex couples alike. So for instance you don't apply for a marriage license, you apply for a civil union license, etc. It's up to the couple if they want to call it marriage or not. Religion should be taken completely out of the equasion.
I could live with that, call it a civil union, then when they get a divorce, we can call that a UNcivil union
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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17391860)
1. Again, "the people" don't get to vote on basic rights provided by the constitution. It never should have been a vote in the first place.

2. That's why we have a judicial branch. Not just to put criminals in prison, but to challenge retarded laws that were voted on by the people (the majority voting on protected rights for a minority group) and laws that were poorly conceived by legislators. That's why it's called "checks & balances". The system worked exactly as it's supposed to.

But it did go to a vote and that was thrown out by a judge that should have removed himself from the decision because of being openly gay

Vendzilla 08-05-2010 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17391894)
"The people" also said that blacks should not be integrated into the armed forces. Didnt Fox report that news last week like everyone else? ~85% of soldiers said at the time that integrating blacks would destroy the US army. Truman did it anyway because he possessed enough simple common sense to see the handwriting on the wall. Will it be the GOP agenda to repeal that too?

Now you're calling GOP racist, do you have one fucking brain cell that's your own? Or are you just going to spout what the liberal press needs you to?

Amputate Your Head 08-05-2010 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17391936)
Now you're calling GOP racist,...

It's not true?

Tom_PM 08-05-2010 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17391936)
Now you're calling GOP racist, do you have one fucking brain cell that's your own? Or are you just going to spout what the liberal press needs you to?

What in the hell is wrong with you dude? I stated a historical fact, and wondered out loud if it will also be part of the GOP political agenda to repeal another instance of the government acting CONTRARY to the will of the people.

Save your race baiting for someone else, I dont appreciate it.

Vendzilla 08-05-2010 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17391949)
It's not true?

Apparently he thinks that all GOP are Racist
http://image3.examiner.com/images/bl...istTeaSign.jpg

lesbodojo 08-05-2010 09:18 AM

I'm interested to see how the judge handles the stay application.

IllTestYourGirls 08-05-2010 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 17391894)
"The people" also said that blacks should not be integrated into the armed forces. Didnt Fox report that news last week like everyone else? ~85% of soldiers said at the time that integrating blacks would destroy the US army. Truman did it anyway because he possessed enough simple common sense to see the handwriting on the wall. Will it be the GOP agenda to repeal that too?

Wasnt it a progressive that segregated the army and a Republican that desegregated?

The problem today is most republicans are progressives.

Vendzilla 08-05-2010 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 17392032)
Wasnt it a progressive that segregated the army and a Republican that desegregated?

The problem today is most republicans are progressives.

He forgot that Abe Lincoln was the first GOP president

IllTestYourGirls 08-05-2010 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17392042)
He forgot that Abe Lincoln was the first GOP president

Then Teddy came and fucked all that up :disgust

The Demon 08-05-2010 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 17391732)
lol .... bla bla bla ....

Variation in divorce rates by religion:

Jews 30%
Born-again Christians 27%
Other Christians 24%
Atheists, Agnostics 21%


http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm


must be a "liberal" source ...

http://www.jewishideas.org/articles/...x-jewish-famil

http://matzav.com/ou-survey-finds-th...ety-as-a-whole

http://www.koltorah.org/ravj/Interma...lancing_1.html

Blah blah you're an idiot as usual.

The Demon 08-05-2010 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17391769)
Ummm, it changed yesterday brainiac. Supreme Court will uphold because you don't vote on rights. That's why they're called 'rights'. Try read the 14th amendment sometime genius.

Good god, you're not only a moron, but a moron that doesn't understand how amendments work with federal statutes. Too easy.

Amputate Your Head 08-05-2010 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17392234)
Good god, you're not only a moron, but a moron that doesn't understand how amendments work with federal statutes. Too easy.

Why don't you enlighten us with your vast knowledge then slick.

The Demon 08-05-2010 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by gumdrop (Post 17391875)
Sorry to burst your bubble but "marriage" has had many incarnations throughout history, culture and civilization.

It continues to be "rewritten" as man evolves.

Really? It's been between a man and a man or a woman and a woman? Who taught you ancient history?

The Demon 08-05-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17392237)
Why don't you enlighten us with your vast knowledge then slick.

You do understand the difference between theory and practice right? You also understand that homosexuals aren't considered a legal minority too right? So you're telling me the Supreme Court must uphold is retarded, considering if they held your simplistic and literal views of the constitution, same sex rights would have been established long ago. But please, keep humoring us. There's been a shortage of moronic liberals lately.

Amputate Your Head 08-05-2010 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17392247)
You do understand the difference between theory and practice right? You also understand that homosexuals aren't considered a legal minority too right? So you're telling me the Supreme Court must uphold is retarded, considering if they held your simplistic and literal views of the constitution, same sex rights would have been established long ago. But please, keep humoring us. There's been a shortage of moronic liberals lately.

What part of "nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." don't you grasp? Obviously I'm not privy to your wealth of Constitutional Law expertise or razor sharp powers of deductive reasoning. You are just too damn cool for school, and I want to be you.

The Demon 08-05-2010 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17392252)
What part of "nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." don't you grasp? Obviously I'm not privy to your wealth of Constitutional Law expertise or razor sharp powers of deductive reasoning. You are just too damn cool for school, and I want to be you.

What part of "theory vs. practice" and "literal vs. interpretation" don't you understand? I realize you're trying too hard and it's frying the few brain cells you have left, but maybe you should step down from this one. Although you're definitely humorous with your "The Supreme Court will uphold because it's in the Constitution" logic.

Also, I understand you're too dumb to realize federal statutes supersede state courts, such as the Marriage Protection Amendment, DOMA, etc.

The only right the state has is to allow a civil union.

Amputate Your Head 08-05-2010 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17392264)
What part of "theory vs. practice" and "literal vs. interpretation" don't you understand? I realize you're trying too hard and it's frying the few brain cells you have left, but maybe you should step down from this one. Although you're definitely humorous with your "The Supreme Court will uphold because it's in the Constitution" logic.

Yes, I'm struggling to stay upright and breathing because I'm on my last neuron. Thanks for the assist Demon, I might not have made it to noon without your help.

Vendzilla 08-05-2010 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17392264)

Also, I understand you're too dumb to realize federal statutes supersede state courts, such as the Marriage Protection Amendment, DOMA, etc.

The only right the state has is to allow a civil union.

where does it say that? I believe the state has full control over that, but I could be wrong, Utah lost the right to marriage as they saw fit

The Demon 08-05-2010 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17392285)
where does it say that? I believe the state as full control over that, but I could be wrong, Utah lost the right to marriage as they saw fit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Marriage_Amendment

Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-se...l_A mendments

Agent 488 08-05-2010 10:57 AM

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The Demon 08-05-2010 10:57 AM

Agent, I love your inability to properly post pictures.

directfiesta 08-05-2010 11:09 AM

lol ... still looking for 2% :

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Thus, on the one hand, the percentage of people who are divorced/separated among Jews (9 percent) is lower than that of Mainline Protestants (12 percent), Evangelical Protestants (13 percent), and Catholics (10 percent).

http://www.jewishideas.org/articles/...x-jewish-famil
No time to read all of those great links. Since YOU brought up that 2% shit , maybe YOU should quote your article and supply a link ... genius ... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

.. and better non biased source..

BTW, how was the mopping ... :Oh crap

Vendzilla 08-05-2010 11:11 AM

Intersting read, thanks for the link

The Demon 08-05-2010 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 17392335)
lol ... still looking for 2% :



No time to read all of those great links. Since YOU brought up that 2% shit , maybe YOU should quote your article and supply a link ... genius ... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

.. and better non biased source..

BTW, how was the mopping ... :Oh crap

Translation: I don't like your sources so I'm going to discount them, and then I'll accuse you of trying to discount mine!

THe mopping? I wouldn't know. I am however trying to figure out how much of my taxes will go to underprivileged individuals such as yourself. :)

epitome 08-05-2010 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by HeatWaveShawna (Post 17391695)
the idea of marriage wont be as appealing once you stand in divorce court for the first time...

To have the right to even go into divorce court is what is important.

Many divorce courts are stamped "straights only," which is no different than a bathroom being stamped "whites only."

The Demon 08-05-2010 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by epitome (Post 17392342)
To have the right to even go into divorce court is what is important.

Many divorce courts are stamped "straights only," which is no different than a bathroom being stamped "whites only."

One of the dumbest comparisons ever made. But what do you expect from a moronic liberal who compares slavery and/or oppression of Blacks with same sex civil unions not recognized as marriages.:1orglaugh


Edit: Just to dumb it down for you, you're comparing an era where a people weren't recognized as such, to a couple recognized as people AND a civil union, but not a married couple.

Amputate Your Head 08-05-2010 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17392353)
One of the dumbest comparisons ever made. But what do you expect from a moronic liberal who compares slavery and/or oppression of Blacks with same sex civil unions not recognized as marriages.:1orglaugh

jesus Demon, get some new fucking material already. It was effective & a little funny at first, but now, every reply you make has the same basic theme: "One of the dumbest comparisons ever made. But what do you expect from a moronic liberal who ____ (fill in the blank)." :ugone2far

it's tired already dude.

Sausage 08-05-2010 11:20 AM

So much for the majority vote then :)

Amputate Your Head 08-05-2010 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sausage (Post 17392370)
So much for the majority vote then :)

What if the majority voted that gays are not legally considered "people"? That be okay too?

cwd 08-05-2010 11:24 AM

congrats! I wonder if this is going to be bad for business for this movie...



I think it just came out (see that!) earlier in the summer.

notime 08-05-2010 11:29 AM

Holly, you go girl !!

The Demon 08-05-2010 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17392363)
jesus Demon, get some new fucking material already. It was effective & a little funny at first, but now, every reply you make has the same basic theme: "One of the dumbest comparisons ever made. But what do you expect from a moronic liberal who ____ (fill in the blank)." :ugone2far

it's tired already dude.

Not as tiresome as "racist, bigot, religious fanatic, murderer", the key words liberals use to evoke emotion because they(you) are incapable of logical thought.

The Demon 08-05-2010 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17392377)
What if the majority voted that gays are not legally considered "people"? That be okay too?

Ah yes, when the liberal is confronted with a logical thought, he MUST go to an extreme to prove his point.

Amputate Your Head 08-05-2010 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17392411)
Not as tiresome as "racist, bigot, religious fanatic, murderer", the key words liberals use to evoke emotion because they(you) are incapable of logical thought.

Ok, fuck it. I'm going to just adopt your method.

That's the type of response I would expect from a moronic conservative who can't come up with a single original thought but instead regurgitates the same tired rhetoric over & over.

Amputate Your Head 08-05-2010 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17392414)
Ah yes, when the liberal is confronted with a logical thought, he MUST go to an extreme to prove his point.

Oh, I apologize if I dented your delicate sensibilities.... should I choose a less extreme?

Here we go.... how about if the majority voted that straight people can marry, but can't ever get divorced. No matter what.

Vendzilla 08-05-2010 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17392377)
What if the majority voted that gays are not legally considered "people"? That be okay too?

But they didn't, what they voted on was the discription of what a marriage was, it wasn't taking away any rights, it was preventing new ones

Amputate Your Head 08-05-2010 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17392432)
But they didn't, what they voted on was the discription of what a marriage was, it wasn't taking away any rights, it was preventing new ones

Prop 8 didn't take away their rights? Because I was sure gay marriage WAS legal here before Prop 8.

cwd 08-05-2010 11:47 AM

I guess the Libertarians will be happy with this ruling.

The Demon 08-05-2010 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17392422)
Ok, fuck it. I'm going to just adopt your method.

That's the type of response I would expect from a moronic conservative who can't come up with a single original thought but instead regurgitates the same tired rhetoric over & over.

You've adopted this stance a long time ago, which is why you constantly embarrass yourself. If it's fox news, you don't look at the source. If it's conservative, you ignore it or bash it. The hypocrisy is amusing. I definitely enjoy arguing with intellectual inferiors though. Stick to making galleries. :1orglaugh

Amputate Your Head 08-05-2010 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17392488)
You've adopted this stance a long time ago, which is why you constantly embarrass yourself. If it's fox news, you don't look at the source. If it's conservative, you ignore it or bash it. The hypocrisy is amusing. I definitely enjoy arguing with intellectual inferiors though. Stick to making galleries. :1orglaugh

Okay then! :bowdown

Vendzilla 08-05-2010 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17392436)
Prop 8 didn't take away their rights? Because I was sure gay marriage WAS legal here before Prop 8.

Prop 8 was the second time it was voted on, both times voters said no to same sex marriage

Amputate Your Head 08-05-2010 11:58 AM

Demon, you are my new personal Jesus. I'm going to conjure an image of you every time I pull my pud.

Amputate Your Head 08-05-2010 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla (Post 17392495)
Prop 8 was the second time it was voted on, both times voters said no to same sex marriage

Interesting, because there were all kinds of gay folks getting married here a while back. Guess they did it all illegally.

The Demon 08-05-2010 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Amputate Your Head (Post 17392496)
Demon, you are my new personal Jesus. I'm going to conjure an image of you every time I pull my pud.

That's ok, when I'm feeling down I can always look at your posts and realize someone is a lot worse off than myself in every aspect of life. :winkwink:

Amputate Your Head 08-05-2010 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 17392504)
That's ok, when I'm feeling down I can always look at your posts and realize someone is a lot worse off than myself in every aspect of life. :winkwink:

That's true. Sometimes I feel like a newborn tadpole when confronted with your superior intellect, razor sharp wit and iron fisted determination. Would it be okay if I got a tattoo honoring your worship, Princess?

cambaby 08-05-2010 12:15 PM

When federal judges and our government ignore the MAJORITY of the people, eventually something is going to break. You guys really dont think you can get away with this shit without repercussions do you? Are you willing to DIE for your fag marriage? Consequences will never be the same.

The Demon 08-05-2010 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cambaby (Post 17392547)
When federal judges and our government ignore the MAJORITY of the people, eventually something is going to break. You guys really dont think you can get away with this shit without repercussions do you? Are you willing to DIE for your fag marriage? Consequences will never be the same.

Only the ignorant and naive actually believe the Supreme Court will uphold this decision.


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