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kristin 10-14-2010 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Noe (Post 17606338)
second that notion

Do you have merchant and IPSP accounts for paysites?

kristin 10-14-2010 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by datatank (Post 17606258)
I disagree with you 100% but no worries

I did forget a biggie that merchant is good for - internal xsales, setting up of accounts and sites, etc. Those things do make the merchant account much easier to use.

Domain Broker 10-14-2010 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by YDG (Post 17605900)
Same here. Sales dwindled last night, our backup processor picked them up instead. Today 0 so far, which is highly unusual.

Might be a CCBill issue?

OMG who is that princess in your avatar?

The Porn Nerd 10-14-2010 10:49 AM

O Grand Poobah SHAP I was going to start one of "these threads" a couple days ago as I've noticed sales sucking BALLZ this week, October overall not so great. But then I would be "the complainer". So when I see The Great Shap complaining, well, then I feel better - and not, at the same time. LOL Basically, sales are down 35% this week. Grrrr!


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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 17606145)
Agreed. And since Friday something has been up. I can't figure it out, if I QC one more site I may go nuts.

Epoch has been off the most, about 75 joins.

And that's the thing Kristin: I switched the cascade to Epoch several times and the sales were as bad, if not worse. Double Grrrr! Hate it when that happens 'cause then there'
s no "relief". LOL

PS: ur pretty. :)

kristin 10-14-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 17606596)
PS: ur pretty. :)

Hehe, Felicia has me beat. She's hot.

Semi-Retired-Dave 10-14-2010 11:07 AM

Are you guys Cascading or relying on one merchant?

borked 10-14-2010 11:08 AM

Didn't you have this problem a few weeks back? Sales dropping off the chart?

Time to check the server logs perhaps...

--edit, nm I see CCBill_Paul is doing so

Please report back Paul...

gloryholeprincess 10-14-2010 11:17 AM

Been slow all week. Thank God for all of the recurring memberships. I thought it was something with my site or processor.
It will pick up. Usually I say "It could be worse, it could be raining" but in this case some cold, wet weather might help. :D
Piper
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17605831)
Anybody else? Yesterday was slow but picked up at night. Today is terrible. Anybody else?


Rankings 10-14-2010 11:24 AM

down a bit, but not drastic

SykkBoy 10-14-2010 11:27 AM

October as a whole has been lower than last month, started picking up through yesterday, then overnight/early this morning, it dropped off a cliff....
I'm actively sending to about 10-12 sponsors and seeing it pretty much across the board

DVTimes 10-14-2010 11:35 AM

i bet everyone was watching the minors come up.

Matyko 10-14-2010 12:05 PM

my sales are normal, ~average in last days. however i can tell you the same about the averages of last months. i think i make ~same $$$/m since april 2010...
[selling paysite memberships]

biskoppen 10-14-2010 12:08 PM

Shap, I see the same thing... going to take a closer look at my ratios now

AntiChrist 10-14-2010 12:10 PM

40 million Americans are on foodstamps. Go figure.

Shap 10-14-2010 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by biskoppen (Post 17606860)
Shap, I see the same thing... going to take a closer look at my ratios now

Scary thing is everybody I know doing decent volume is seeing it big time.

biskoppen 10-14-2010 12:18 PM

Yup, numbers looks strange

The day before yesterday : 7.14% form view -> form submission
Yesterday : also 7.14% form view -> form submission
Today : 1.85% form view -> form submission

So a huge drop in submissions today

Maybe CCBILL has some issues with their forms, because I also have some issues
with an upgrade form not showing the correct numbers.

Shap 10-14-2010 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by biskoppen (Post 17606885)
Yup, numbers looks strange

The day before yesterday : 7.14% form view -> form submission
Yesterday : also 7.14% form view -> form submission
Today : 1.85% form view -> form submission

So a huge drop in submissions today

Maybe CCBILL has some issues with their forms, because I also have some issues
with an upgrade form not showing the correct numbers.

EXACTLY the same here. I have a feeling their stats may not be caught up on the form submissions. Are your submissions off from 2 to 6am?

biskoppen 10-14-2010 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17606909)
EXACTLY the same here. I have a feeling their stats may not be caught up on the form submissions. Are your submissions off from 2 to 6am?

My sales are almost completly dead today so a little hard to tell, but the answer would be yes :)

CCBill Paul 10-14-2010 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by biskoppen (Post 17606885)
Yup, numbers looks strange

The day before yesterday : 7.14% form view -> form submission
Yesterday : also 7.14% form view -> form submission
Today : 1.85% form view -> form submission

So a huge drop in submissions today

Maybe CCBILL has some issues with their forms, because I also have some issues
with an upgrade form not showing the correct numbers.

I am looking into our reports and would be happy to look into yours specifically if you would like to send me your account number.

I am sure that your upgrade form not showing the correct numbers is specific to your account so I would be happy to take a look into that as well.

V_RocKs 10-14-2010 12:58 PM

Today's sales sucked.... I normally do a lot of business about 11pm to 5am when the lurkers finally decided to buy and nothing this morning which is odd, but not totally unusual.

Then I sold a Size Genetics Extender... nice! $149 helped to make up for that slow ass morning.

Raja 10-14-2010 12:58 PM

Shap,
Did flipping the cascade fix the problem?

biskoppen 10-14-2010 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CCBill Paul (Post 17606992)
I am looking into our reports and would be happy to look into yours specifically if you would like to send me your account number.

I am sure that your upgrade form not showing the correct numbers is specific to your account so I would be happy to take a look into that as well.

Thanks Paul, already having Charles from clientsupport dealing with this.

Noe 10-14-2010 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 17606428)
Do you have merchant and IPSP accounts for paysites?

yes ma'am..waited over 9 months for it..I refuse to use any 3rd party processor. I was with Jettis before that so I'm a bit traumatized lmao.

Persius 10-14-2010 01:07 PM

It's the ALIENS .. UFOs lol

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1..._n_761717.html

Noe 10-14-2010 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 17606441)
I did forget a biggie that merchant is good for - internal xsales, setting up of accounts and sites, etc. Those things do make the merchant account much easier to use.

Actually not doing xsells or any of that shit at all. Want to keep my merchant account.:)

The Porn Nerd 10-14-2010 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17606909)
EXACTLY the same here. I have a feeling their stats may not be caught up on the form submissions. Are your submissions off from 2 to 6am?

Don't know what you use for a secondary Shap but we use Epoch, and the forms loading via Epoch are WAY slow. They get 99% loaded then freeze for 30-45 seconds, all forms, all accounts. Weird. Contacted Epoch, they're investigating now...

CCBill forms load quick as shit, tho - don't know once they've been filled out then actually submitted to CCBill tho. Have you tested that? Load times & submission times/approval-denial time frames?

You know how surfers with a hard-on hate to wait...

Tiffany Preston 10-14-2010 01:28 PM

Sales are finally good here this month :)

Basileus 10-14-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterPeabody (Post 17607103)
Don't know what you use for a secondary Shap but we use Epoch, and the forms loading via Epoch are WAY slow. They get 99% loaded then freeze for 30-45 seconds, all forms, all accounts. Weird. Contacted Epoch, they're investigating now...

CCBill forms load quick as shit, tho - don't know once they've been filled out then actually submitted to CCBill tho. Have you tested that? Load times & submission times/approval-denial time frames?

You know how surfers with a hard-on hate to wait...

Actually we've got exactly the opposite: ccbill is very slow to load, usually it's about 10-15 seconds before the page starts to load, regardless of ISP or time of the day. Epoch is much faster from CCBill but still not ideal.

CCBill Paul 10-14-2010 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus (Post 17607247)
Actually we've got exactly the opposite: ccbill is very slow to load, usually it's about 10-15 seconds before the page starts to load, regardless of ISP or time of the day. Epoch is much faster from CCBill but still not ideal.

If you can please email me a traceroute from where you are to our join page. Thank you.

MobiusMike 10-14-2010 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kristin (Post 17606232)
You're own merchant isn't always the best solution. Processing fees can be just as high as with a IPSP. The main thing that a merchant is good for is to control the scrub rate thus allowing for more joins to come through.

We see little fraud and such on mobile so the scrub is less on that than our PC. Hence why our mobile runs on merchant and PC runs on IPSP. But the fees are about the same if not higher.

Kristen,

I have to disagree with you here on several levels. First and foremost, your costs shouldn't be anywhere near as high with a direct merchant account in comparison to an IPSP.

Secondly, you have to be able to trust the scrub that's being done on the IPSP which means you should be testing your PC content against a direct solution and looking at the approved/decline ratio to see if the scrub is eliminating clean business. The scrub is only as good as the data available and the parameters set.

MobiusMike 10-14-2010 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberAge-Dave (Post 17606671)
Are you guys Cascading or relying on one merchant?

Dave asks a good question here.

If your cascading, you can look at the approval rate jump on your second tier processor and see whether there's been a significant change in the ratio of initial declines and secondary approvals.

If you're not cascading, you have to look at the attempted transactions and have your processor retrieve the decline reason codes and match them back to see if one specific type is cropping up if your numbers are wonky.

Alternatively, have someone run a couple of known "good" cards through to see what response you get and include a couple of over the shelf stored values to see what the result is on a known entity.

plsureking 10-14-2010 02:18 PM

:firehair the end is nigh

http://alittleknowledge.files.wordpr...10/jackass.jpg

BlacksOnBlondes 10-14-2010 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 17605831)
Anybody else? Yesterday was slow but picked up at night. Today is terrible. Anybody else?


Well Epoch was down for a short time at 2:45PM Mountain time, but anytime they go down (even for a short time) there will be shitty sales for that whole day+. This is has happened consistently for me in the last 11 years.

MrPinks 10-14-2010 04:11 PM

Absolutely horrible month for sales :Oh crap

icymelon 10-14-2010 04:17 PM

I was gonna say the ccbill scrub is in over drive but maybe its a technical problem. ccbill ratios have been bouncing never seen ratios this bad over a 500 blog network you would like to think there would be more stability in ratios. then it goes back to normal. but I can only base it on me

BIGTYMER 10-14-2010 04:29 PM

Sales have been rocking for me!

Why did I say that? Now they'll drop....

::::::KNOCK ON WOOD::::::

traumatics 10-14-2010 04:55 PM

maybe this is turning people off...

http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2...itive-for-hiv/

Noe 10-14-2010 05:12 PM

The #1 reason that every established program with REAL sales/members should have their own merch? Control. By utilizing a 3rd party processor you are putting your company at huge risk. Top Bucks and Twistys are well established programs with quality members databases I'm sure...yet you both have to suffer huge losses because of the irresponsibility of so many other companies under the same processor. And lets not forget those processors that have completely closed shop and subsequently shut down entire programs/companies.

Rand 10-14-2010 05:22 PM

We constantly monitor sales and trends. Although we do not see anything that is affecting sales as a whole, we are looking into this to see if we can find any patterns.

Anyone who believes they may be affected should contact your account rep or write directly to support <at> epoch.com.

mynameisjim 10-14-2010 05:29 PM

The last month or two there seems to be very specific days in which every site and processor shows very weak sales. From the biggest sites to the smallest and across all billers.

Oddly, I don't know about other sites but we are also seeing wild upswings as well with record breaking sales days. Same traffic as usual, but sales are waaay up.

Very odd, but I don't think you can pin this on one biller. It is something else in the background.

Does anyone with billing experience know what the major billers all have in common? That's where the issue is I think.


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