i'm also seeing some drastic swings lately

more drastic than i have ever seen in over 12 years in biz

something seems fucked up, unfortunately i think it has nothing to do with any processor (i wish it was that simple)

i think for whatever reason people are just not buying right now

lately sales have been shit, like the last week or so, for me..

they had picked up prior to that

Not even kidding or doing a sales pitch, but this month has been the best month ever for me...

good cal
err i mean call

I'm not even joking - This day has been the best all year.

I reported this multiple times over the past 2 months, each time I was told 'no problems here'... so i gave up asking. Many times I had the secondary processor outsell ccbill, which should be impossible. I always know when there is a problem as ccbill telephone sales will flood in on 1 day, then I wont see any for weeks.

Currently I don't have any problems, next time I see it I will contact you directly if that is ok?

Anyone know if ccbill employees are paid by the hour or on weekly salary. If the majority of us are seeing unexplainable swings in submission form percentages...yes I have been trying desperately for 2 years to spell this oddity out for GFY, if the ccbill team is paid on salary and is not seeing any reduction in salary or pay cuts, then I think it speaks volumes.

The question becomes how can so many ccbill clients see drastic reductions in sales, while the ccbill staff sees no reduction in salary???

Munch on that for a while, then come back when you are ready for a reality check.

They are much like the federal reserve.... in pure survival mode... and assuring the peasants that nothing is wrong...

Anyone know if ccbill employees are paid by the hour or on weekly salary. If the majority of us are seeing unexplainable swings in submission form percentages...

yes I have been trying desperately for 2 years to spell this oddity out for GFY, if the ccbill team is paid on salary and is not seeing any reduction in salary or pay cuts, then I think it speaks volumes.

The question becomes how can so many ccbill clients see drastic reductions in sales, while the ccbill staff sees no reduction in salary???

Munch on that for a while, then come back when you are ready for a reality check.

They are much like the federal reserve.... in pure survival mode... and assuring the peasants that nothing is wrong...

The no problems here but everything suddenly works really pisses me off.

Yep a couple days this week, I had ZERO activity on ccbill who is primary biller, but flurry of activity on backup processors on same days...

CUT THE FUCKING SHIT ALREADY CCBILL THE JIG IS UP

Here is what will happen, in the next day or so we will all get a flurry of ccbill sales out of no where, we will be so ecstatic with the sales we will go back to sleep and think it was just our imagination and nothing is wrong with ccbill.

The thread will disappear overnight and another similiar thread we will reappear in another month when the trick bag is deployed for another round.

Our problem is we don't have the collective attention span to see this though and hold them accountable. Also we are all struggling to keep business open and don't have the time or resources to investigate this properly.

remember we are the workhorses, we produce and create websites and adult content. CCBILL and others like them are parasites. They produce nothing but leech off of our hard work and labor. They are crafty and have plenty of resources to help squeeze the most out of their business model.

It never hit me until recently that having ccbill is like having your own mc donalds franchise, you make the egg mc muffins, you make the big macs, you make the french fries right.... but when the customer comes to pay... you have another company collecting the money from the customer and then charging you a fee to collect your money for you!!! Now ain't that nothing!

Same with us, we lure the surfer with our content, then they leave our site to go to ccbill site to "PAY US" for a membership. We have no idea whats really happening when they leave our site and go to ccbill servers. That is the elephant in the room. We have to trust that our data and joins are secure....

ANd for that we have the solid and honest reputation of the ccbill reps, and the robust crisp clear stats in our admin panel that are always 1000% accurate and free from bugs and glitches....

And if the ccbill admin stats and ccbill reps WORD is not enough to convince you then there is a litany of other mysterious gfy people who only show up to co sign and assure the few of us that things are fine, sales are fine... it must be your server, your stats...why would ccbill do this... with respect... kindly STFU you don't know shit about shit

I'd be interested in talking to anyone on this thread (or anywhere else for that matter) who feels this way and would like to test a direct merchant account solution as a potential alternative/backup to their IPSP accounts.

was our best day since early 1999. porn is not dead. rock n roll however ...

Sales are not going so bad for me.

So half you fuckers dump boatloads of free content onto the internet, and then wonder why economy-struck surfers are no longer paying for your sites? So you decide to blame CCBill?!

Yeah, CCBill must be the company flooding the tubes with free fucking shit all day, every day, day after fucking day, right?

Want to know who is to blame? - LOOK IN THE FUCKING MIRROR!!!!

I'm not talking sales in general. I'm talking a HUGE one day drop out of the blue that hits a large number of decent volume guys at once.

right on cue, all of you sales are excellent guys who only show up to cosign for ccbill, how about putting your money where your mouth is...

show us those 50-60% join form submission percentages that you had this week....come on show us that it is only a small few of us who are simply disgruntled and here to bash ccbill.

From now on if you report rocking sales in a thread like this, back it up with a screen shot...otherwise I would encourage healthy skepticism for those who report such success.

I personally have been a victim of enough fraud with banks, mortgage companies,auto repair shops, real estate companies, traffic companies (click fraud) to know that anytime we are talking money,especially electronic money... that you cannot take any bodys word for anything.

Humans can and will lie for money...PERIOD If the price is right many will even enjoy a pleasant night's sleep after stealing your earnings right from under you.

The problem with this reasoning is that there are still people going to the join forms, even with the content on tube sites, the tubes are not keeping people from visiting your site, or join page, most are specifically complaining about join form percentages dropping to zero on certain days, while back ups processors become extremely active on these select no ccbill join form submission days....

Now what the hell does tube sites have to do with that phenomenon?

I am just glad to know its not just me that sees huge swings in sales. :helpme

Last week was great, this week is horrible. :Oh crap

It appears sales just died last Sunday night and havent recovered.

Hopefully this weekend it'll bounce back :thumbsup

If you are NOT seeing a drop in hits on your join page(s), then you make a good point.

For those who ARE seeing less and less traffic every day however, it does NOT make sense to blame the biller(s).

Shap, We work with all the major brands with our solution so i see a lot of information on a lot of programs and i can say this past few days there was definitely something wrong on the processing side!Same traffic, same offers.

I had some of our largest clients show 0 for an entire day and then a few sales trickle in.... We are now seeing some change but it was for days... Please post any info if someone finds out so i can share with clients... Some of them just passed it off as a bad day but there is something up for sure.

ONE HUNDRED CCBILL COMPLAINTS!

PS: I wake up to.......SALES SUCK AGAIN TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just sayin' - Jesus already.

A few months ago I would have said my sales were bad, but I've had more time available since and am seeing the benefit of the extra work I've put in.

One thing that I do notice with CCBill is that it seems like sales arrive at the same time. I check my stats far too often, they are like a drug to me, sometimes I check within 10 minutes of the last check, I need to stop it, but anyway this allows me to notice that normally my sales arrive together e.g. 12:37am no sales, 12:45am 2 sales and 2 rebills

It's your shitty websites - nothing to do with CCBill - please stfu already :uhoh

LOL

Man, you gotta go fuck yourself already dude.
Officially on IGNORE.

Carry on.

MisterPeabody:

Sending a request to add you on ICQ. Would like to discuss payment solutions with you.

Yesterday was a pretty normal day for me as far as CCBill goes in terms of sales and rebills.

We do however usually have one day or so a month where form submits will stop registering. In our case this month it was Oct 7.

So far it looks like a pretty average month.

excellent point....shitty websites convert with 50% join form submissions on tuesday....

then on wednesday shitty websites have 0% join form percentages....while back up shitty website processors have flurry of activity on wednesday...

Makes sense to me...shitty websites is the culprit...mystery solved!

I dropped ccbill last night. I checked stats at 11pm. We had epoch and ccbill at 50/50. Ccbill went 2.5 hours without a single sale meanwhile epoch was really rolling and made up for the ccbill drop. When I saw that I dropped ccbill and until I hear what was wrong they won't be getting any volume.

Btw it's 3pm est and we've already had more signups than yesterday.

Thanks for contacting me Mike! Let's touch base on this issue in January - I'm giving my processors til then to work this shit OUT. LOL :)

Thanks for that comment, LOL. Chronig is a pussy-ass whiner bitch who didn't like it when I ignored his amazing "advice" on how to improve my sales so now he stalks me in every thread and pisses on everything I say. Fuck him.

That's the thing tho - the 'argument" - when sales turn shitty: It's your sites, it's your traffic, it's this and it's that...yet no factors - NONE - have changed. So really, wtf already?

Hope your sales are returning?

That's funny you should mention that Shap! I was in the process of switching the old cascade-eroo when CCBill contacted me on ICQ. Told them what i was seeing, then ... "brb".

That was a couple hours ago. LOL So now it's switcheroo time.

NO VOLUME FOR UNDER-PERFORMING CC PROCESSORS. Shap said so. :)

That said as a backup ccbill picked up good volume in the last 60 minutes. Maybe check to see how your sales were :)

Shap,

I'd like to offer you a competitive quote for a direct merchant solution to work into your cascade rotation.

LOL funny i went to mobiuspay.com and got a godaddy page. Was expecting your site.

We are currently working with someone on this. If it doesn't work out I'll contact you.

Unfortunately, I've yet to put an informational site up yet. I mainly work as a private consultant for a narrow group and haven't really advertised publicly.

I look forward to hearing from you in the event you decide to explore your options further.

Cascade switched for app. 1 hour - 3 sales from Epoch. Last CCBill sale app. 3 1/2 hours prior to the switch. Go figure.

What happens if you complain too often to CCBill, Shap? Does CCBill get upset and question your motives?
Or do you do enough volume that they don't question Twistys?
Just curious.

We are up quite a bit but I would attribute that to affiliate traffic.

More than sales traffic is down the toilet at the moment it seems...

CCBill has nothing to do with this. I have may be only 3-4% of my sales through ccbill. But sales just suck in recent 2 days.

And to own your own members. You are leasing your members from ccbill/epoch
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I belive that something may be going wrong with the processing end. Like others who have posted, I've had shitty sales with only a couple of spikes. One of better performing programs I promote would typically average of 20 sign ups per period. This period, 2 sign ups. With that same program I consistently had a ratio of about 1:20. This period, 1:150. It all started on 9/26. :helpme