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brassmonkey 11-27-2012 08:41 AM

Walmart Workers Killed a Man
 
If there's anything that Walmart didn't need on Black Friday weekend, it was a jaw-dropping headline about somebody dying in their parking lot after a run-in with a couple of employees. Unfortunately for the big box retailer, that's exactly what happened on early Sunday morning at a store in Lithonia, Georgia.

It's a sad, simple story. An unidentified man allegedly stole two DVD players from the electronics department and left the store through the front door. Two Walmart employees and a contracted security guard chased him into the parking lot. A "physical altercation" took place, and apparently, the security guard put the man in a choke hold. Police arrived soon thereafter to find the three workers on top of the suspected shoplifter who was unresponsive and bleeding from his nose and mouth. The man was taken to the hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

"No amount of merchandise is worth someone's life," said Walmart spokesperson Dianna Gee in a statement. "Associates are trained to disengage from situations that would put themselves or others at risk." She added, "That being said, this is still an active investigation and we're working with police to provide any assistance." Walmart put the two employees on paid leave and fired the security guard.

Regardless of what happens at the end of that investigation, there's no way Walmart is going to come out of this one looking good. It truly sounds like this was a horrible accident, the kind that makes it hard to point fingers or figure out what went wrong. However, this incident also happened as thousands of Walmart workers nationwide were protesting poor treatment by their employers. Are the two things related? Only insofar as it adds up to a ton of bad press for a company long known to promote mass hysteria on Black Friday weekend. It's a problem that people are still dying at their stores, years after warnings signs like the Walmart employee who was trampled to death on Black Friday.

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Choopa_Pardo 11-27-2012 08:47 AM

Consumerism at its worst. All parties are at fault to a degree, but certainly the security guards for using such excessive force on a person stealing a pair of DVD players.

Wilbo 11-27-2012 08:48 AM

That'll teach him to steal.

brassmonkey 11-27-2012 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Wilbo (Post 19334551)
That'll teach him to steal.

its going to make his family rich :2 cents:

spazlabz 11-27-2012 08:52 AM

Yeah, I heard about this a day or two ago. Its terrible all the way around

charlie g 11-27-2012 08:53 AM

georgia walmarts are scary places. lithonia is a scary place.

Phoenix 11-27-2012 08:54 AM

i can imagine the lawyers rubbing their chops...if there is someone you want to sue....it is walmart

ottopottomouse 11-27-2012 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilbo (Post 19334551)
That'll teach him to steal.

Well he won't be doing it again.

iSpyCams 11-27-2012 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilbo (Post 19334551)
That'll teach him to steal.

Yeah wont forget that lesson for the REST OF HIS LIFE! o wait...

_Richard_ 11-27-2012 09:03 AM

paid leave and fired.. for killing a man.

fuck there IS perks for working at walmart

CaptainHowdy 11-27-2012 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilbo (Post 19334551)
That'll teach him to steal.

https://gfy.com/image.php?u=5218&dateline=1205971816

Voland 13 11-27-2012 12:11 PM

Terrible story!

Doctor Dre 11-27-2012 12:26 PM

Killing someone on a choke must be hard. You need to hold it for a few mins (1-2) to do some serious dammage once the person lost conciousness. The guy wasn't trained proprely if he held it that long.

Triple-A 11-27-2012 12:28 PM

Death to shoplifters!

Alluah Akbar!

brassmonkey 11-27-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple-A (Post 19335018)
Death to shoplifters!

Alluah Akbar!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

idolbucks 11-27-2012 12:56 PM

Damn shame

Rochard 11-27-2012 01:07 PM

First off, the man was in the process of stealing so I could care less. I know that sounds harsh and that death is not a fitting punishment for stealing two DVD players, but I believe in Karma... You get what you deserve. If he wasn't stealing, he would still be alive today.

Also, I don't think he died because he was put in a choke hold. Most likely he had a heart condition or something.

And... store employees are not allowed to touch you. Ever. No matter what they are not law enforcement, cannot hold you, restrain you, or touch you in any shape or form. If they do, it's assault, plain and simple.

PornMD 11-27-2012 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19334555)
its going to make his family rich :2 cents:

Now everyone'll do it.

Mr Pheer 11-27-2012 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19335096)
And... store employees are not allowed to touch you. Ever. No matter what they are not law enforcement, cannot hold you, restrain you, or touch you in any shape or form. If they do, it's assault, plain and simple.

Maybe in Kalifornistan, but in Texas it is perfectly legal to restrain a thief until law enforcement arrives. Once they walk out the door without paying for an item and they refuse to come back inside with you... it's game on. I would imagine that Georgia probably has similar laws. The southern states arent afraid of offending people, especially thieves.

PornoMonster 11-27-2012 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19334555)
its going to make his family rich :2 cents:

And that is SAD.

My town got in trouble because security grabbed a cart full of stuff and they robber was running away, the guy fell to the ground and busted his fingers, arm and face.

Company was sued -- the criminal won.

Now if you want a good show, go to this store and watch people rush out the door with carts of stuff. Fucking Stupid...
Higher prices Yeah... They say "we have them on camera" LOL
Hell the police wont even look for a stolen Car with current cut backs.

PornoMonster 11-27-2012 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19335096)
First off, the man was in the process of stealing so I could care less. I know that sounds harsh and that death is not a fitting punishment for stealing two DVD players, but I believe in Karma... You get what you deserve. If he wasn't stealing, he would still be alive today.

Also, I don't think he died because he was put in a choke hold. Most likely he had a heart condition or something.

And... store employees are not allowed to touch you. Ever. No matter what they are not law enforcement, cannot hold you, restrain you, or touch you in any shape or form. If they do, it's assault, plain and simple.

Some stores have that policy because of PC crap, and lawsuits. Here is is NOT assault, you are making a citizens arrest. Just like Bouncers of a Club can. If they were still in that companies Parking still on the companies Property!

Spunky 11-27-2012 02:20 PM

Maybe the thieves will think twice before robbing them again,sad situation but live by the sword,die by it

Rochard 11-27-2012 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 19335202)
Maybe in Kalifornistan, but in Texas it is perfectly legal to restrain a thief until law enforcement arrives. Once they walk out the door without paying for an item and they refuse to come back inside with you... it's game on. I would imagine that Georgia probably has similar laws. The southern states arent afraid of offending people, especially thieves.

I find that very hard to believe although I would imagine anything is possible. On what grounds can "any citizen" detain another citizen? Because they suspect them of potentially committing a crime?

brassmonkey 11-27-2012 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunky (Post 19335235)
Maybe the thieves will think twice before robbing them again,sad situation but live by the sword,die by it

if your going to rob or steal you better to be ready to drop some shells :2 cents:

PornoMonster 11-27-2012 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19335302)
I find that very hard to believe although I would imagine anything is possible. On what grounds can "any citizen" detain another citizen? Because they suspect them of potentially committing a crime?

In California, the following Penal code sections provide strict construction for arrests by anyone:

837. A private person may arrest another:

For a public offense committed or attempted in his/her presence.
When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence.
When a felony has been in fact committed, and he or she has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.

839. Any person making an arrest may orally summon as many persons as he/she deems necessary to aid him/her therein.

841. The person making the arrest must inform the person to be arrested of the intention to arrest him, of the cause of the arrest, and the authority to make it, except when the person making the arrest has reasonable cause to believe that the person to be arrested is actually engaged in the commission of or an attempt to commit an offense, or the person to be arrested is pursued immediately after its commission, or after an escape. The person making the arrest must, on request of the person he is arresting, inform the latter of the offense for which he is being arrested.

844. To make an arrest, a private person, if the offense is a felony, and in all cases a peace officer, may break open the door or window of the house in which the person to be arrested is, or in which they have reasonable grounds for believing the person to be, after having demanded admittance and explained the purpose for which admittance is desired.

845. Any person who has lawfully entered a house for the purpose of making an arrest, may break open the door or window thereof if detained therein, when necessary for the purpose of liberating himself, and an officer may do the same, when necessary for the purpose of liberating a person who, acting in his aid, lawfully entered for the purpose of making an arrest, and is detained therein.

846. Any person making an arrest may take from the person arrested all offensive weapons which he may have about his person, and must deliver them to the magistrate before whom he is taken.



Like to add Employees of a company have even greater powers.

Like you can carry a firearm without a permit, if that company allows you to do so.

The Porn Nerd 11-27-2012 03:27 PM

It's a sad, simple story.

brassmonkey 11-27-2012 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 19335336)
In California, the following Penal code sections provide strict construction for arrests by anyone:

837. A private person may arrest another:

For a public offense committed or attempted in his/her presence.
When the person arrested has committed a felony, although not in his presence.
When a felony has been in fact committed, and he or she has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested to have committed it.

839. Any person making an arrest may orally summon as many persons as he/she deems necessary to aid him/her therein.

841. The person making the arrest must inform the person to be arrested of the intention to arrest him, of the cause of the arrest, and the authority to make it, except when the person making the arrest has reasonable cause to believe that the person to be arrested is actually engaged in the commission of or an attempt to commit an offense, or the person to be arrested is pursued immediately after its commission, or after an escape. The person making the arrest must, on request of the person he is arresting, inform the latter of the offense for which he is being arrested.

844. To make an arrest, a private person, if the offense is a felony, and in all cases a peace officer, may break open the door or window of the house in which the person to be arrested is, or in which they have reasonable grounds for believing the person to be, after having demanded admittance and explained the purpose for which admittance is desired.

845. Any person who has lawfully entered a house for the purpose of making an arrest, may break open the door or window thereof if detained therein, when necessary for the purpose of liberating himself, and an officer may do the same, when necessary for the purpose of liberating a person who, acting in his aid, lawfully entered for the purpose of making an arrest, and is detained therein.

846. Any person making an arrest may take from the person arrested all offensive weapons which he may have about his person, and must deliver them to the magistrate before whom he is taken.



Like to add Employees of a company have even greater powers.

Like you can carry a firearm without a permit, if that company allows you to do so.

everyone is armed in cali :1orglaugh a citizens arrest? :error let that shit unfold

topnotch, standup guy 11-27-2012 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Choopa_Pardo (Post 19334550)
Consumerism at its worst. All parties are at fault to a degree, but certainly the security guards for using such excessive force on a person stealing a pair of DVD players.

Huh?

The thief precipitated the entire chain of events by being a thief. Take his act of stealing out of the equation and all that followed doesn't happen.

It's really that simple.
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lazycash 11-27-2012 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 19335302)
I find that very hard to believe although I would imagine anything is possible. On what grounds can "any citizen" detain another citizen? Because they suspect them of potentially committing a crime?

You're confusing store policy with law. If some guy comes up and takes your wallet, make sure you don't touch him trying to get it back. Most retailers and grocers have store policy prohibiting employees chasing a thief outside the store because of the potential of an incident like the one in this thread.

topnotch, standup guy 11-27-2012 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19334555)
its going to make his family rich :2 cents:

I wouldn't be so sure about that. Juries are unpredictable and noboby likes a thief.

It could go either way.
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_Richard_ 11-27-2012 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 19335231)
Some stores have that policy because of PC crap, and lawsuits. Here is is NOT assault, you are making a citizens arrest. Just like Bouncers of a Club can. If they were still in that companies Parking still on the companies Property!

so if the murder happens on private land, it's all good?

makes a lot of sense.

astronaut x 11-27-2012 06:20 PM

fuck walmart

PornoMonster 11-27-2012 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Richard_ (Post 19335377)
so if the murder happens on private land, it's all good?

makes a lot of sense.

Don't Steal!

PornoMonster 11-27-2012 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy (Post 19335355)
Huh?

The thief precipitated the entire chain of events by being a thief. Take his act of stealing out of the equation and all that followed doesn't happen.

It's really that simple.
.



Hey Richard! Look up there!

DBS.US 11-27-2012 06:31 PM

He had a knife,,,,:winkwink:
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/9897/picture11gip.png

brassmonkey 11-27-2012 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PornoMonster (Post 19335567)
Don't Steal!

:1orglaugh would you also add that to something you may have done wrong? like excessive speeding?? if a cop pulls you over and you end up in a tussle with officer friendly :helpme :helpme he chokes you till you soil and piss yourself b4 you exit this world :(

Mr Pheer 11-27-2012 06:41 PM

Citizen's arrest and the right of a store's owner or employees to detain shoplifters are two different things.

topnotch, standup guy 11-27-2012 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 19335579)
:1orglaugh would you also add that to something you may have done wrong? like excessive speeding?? if a cop pulls you over and you end up in a tussle with officer friendly :helpme :helpme he chokes you till you soil and piss yourself b4 you exit this world :(

Tussles with cops don't usually end well. More so if in the absence of neutral witnesses.

Best to just smile when Officer Friendly hands you the ticket.
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PornoMonster 11-27-2012 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pheer (Post 19335586)
Citizen's arrest and the right of a store's owner or employees to detain shoplifters are two different things.

No not really, because when the police get there, they have you announce you are making a citizens arrest if you touched them.

Well in my State anyway!

SilentKnight 11-27-2012 06:47 PM

WalMart's disappointed they didn't take out 'dead peasant' insurance on the shoplifter.


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