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Grapesoda 07-23-2015 05:26 AM

Arctic Global Warming Expedition Canceled Because of too Much Ice
 
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A research expedition to study the effects of global warming aboard the Canadian Coast Guard icebreaker Amundsen is on hold as the icebreaker is needed to do it?s primary job ? break up ice.

According to a Coast Guard officer, the icy conditions are the ?worst he?s seen in 20 years?:

A carefully planned, 115-day scientific expedition on board the floating research vessel, the CCGS Amundsen, has been derailed as the icebreaker was called to help resupply ships navigate heavy ice in Hudson Bay.

?Obviously it has a large impact on us,? says Martin Fortier, executive director of ArcticNet, which coordinates research on the vessel. ?It?s a frustrating situation.?

During the summer, the Amundsen operates as a floating research centre with experiments running 24 hours a day. This year it was scheduled to reach North Baffin Bay.

But the icebreaker has been rerouted to escort commercial ships en route to resupply communities in Northern Quebec on the eastern side of Hudson Bay.

Johnny Leclair, assistant commissioner for the Coast Guard, said Tuesday conditions in the area are the worst he?s seen in 20 years


Arctic expedition to study global warming put on hold because of too much ice

bronco67 07-23-2015 05:51 AM

You cracked the case. There's ice in the arctic, so there's no global warming. Please crawl back into your manure pit.

SuckOnThis 07-23-2015 06:14 AM

It stays a constant 74 degrees in Grapesoda's basement, therefore global warming is a myth.

woj 07-23-2015 06:25 AM

when I clicked this thread I was expecting some onion article... :1orglaugh

Mutt 07-23-2015 06:32 AM

and then there's this



Arctic ice 'grew by a third' after cool summer in 2013

Arctic ice 'grew by a third' after cool summer in 2013 - BBC News

Grapesoda 07-23-2015 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 20531328)
and then there's this



Arctic ice 'grew by a third' after cool summer in 2013

Arctic ice 'grew by a third' after cool summer in 2013 - BBC News

this is some whack shit :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Grapesoda 07-23-2015 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis (Post 20531308)
It stays a constant 74 degrees in Grapesoda's basement, therefore global warming is a myth.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

if you had my life you would think you were in heaven, no shit... just keep on being a sour person of low quality, we love you like you are...

:thumbsup

Grapesoda 07-23-2015 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20531294)
You cracked the case. There's ice in the arctic, so there's no global warming.

uhhmmmmmm

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pornmasta 07-23-2015 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20531367)

:1orglaugh

2MuchMark 07-23-2015 08:11 AM

Phew! Now I can finally buy that Hummer.

Grapesoda 07-23-2015 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20531399)
Phew! Now I can finally buy that Hummer.

mark prince of old has returned :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

EonBlue 07-23-2015 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 20531294)
There's ice in the arctic,

The icebreaker was called in to break up ice in Hudson Bay - well south of the Arctic.



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Grapesoda 07-23-2015 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 20531577)
The icebreaker was called in to break up ice in Hudson Bay - well south of the Arctic.



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Hudson River freezes as Manhattan is encased in worst ice for a decade | Daily Mail Online

Freedom6995 07-23-2015 04:36 PM

It hasn't been above 10C to many days where I'm at (St. Anthony, NL, Canada). Currently it is 6C and with the windchill it is 1C. Global wtf is more like it!

Robbie 07-23-2015 04:41 PM

I'm wondering...

Could it actually be colder in the North and South Poles. But perhaps warmer in some desert areas (like where I live) and other warm places than it usually is...thus giving Global Warming Alarmists the ability to say the WORLD is getting "warmer"?

In other words, while the ice at the poles keeps getting bigger...the people trying to cash in on "Global Warming" can keep on beating the drum by the average temperature of the entire globe instead of the ice packs in the North and South poles...which was what the original gloom and doom attempt to scare everyone was about in the first place.

2MuchMark 07-23-2015 11:18 PM

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Robbie 07-23-2015 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20532136)

So the graph shows that we are a temperature anomaly of less than 1/2 of one degree Celsius

And it also shows that the temps have dropped the last few years from the "high" of almost 7/10 of one degree down closer to 1/2 of one degree.

Is that your big "proof" that the world is ending?

Here's another animated gif from NASA...it looks real scary, until you look at the actual numbers on it. A less than ONE degree change from a low in 1880 until now.
Climate Change: Climate Resource Center - Top 10 coldest and warmest years

Oooohhhh...we better create "carbon credits" and let some people get filthy rich while the poor people suffer needlessly from high energy prices over this!

And keep in mind...that's the average of the entire Earth's temps. Not the North Pole and South Pole. We were fed a line of shit that claimed the ice was all going to melt and we were DOOMED.
Now it's not melting. It's growing.

But somehow...that money MUST keep flowing. So we are still DOOMED!

EddyTheDog 07-23-2015 11:42 PM

You can't get your head around global weather change?..

What an idiot.....

Robbie 07-23-2015 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 20532146)
You can't get your head around global weather change?..

What an idiot.....

Are you talking to me? Do I know you? Or did you just decide to call me an idiot out of the clear blue sky?

EddyTheDog 07-23-2015 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20532148)
Are you talking to me? Do I know you? Or did you just decide to call me an idiot out of the clear blue sky?

Anyone who cant get their hear around weather change - Not aimed at you at all...

Robbie 07-23-2015 11:54 PM

The graph shows a ONE HALF DEGREE "anomaly" over the past 135 years. Is that what you are asking me to "wrap my head around"?

Anyway, just trying to point out that if you think that one half of one degree "anomaly" (and there is no "normal" temperature for the Earth to begin with...but let's forget that for a moment) over 135 years is a big deal... then so be it.

I've tried to tell people to just use their own grade school education and you would know that the Earth is coming out of a small cool down and is warming back up...regardless of man. But hey, if you want to ignore history then be my guest. :)

Paul&John 07-24-2015 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mutt (Post 20531328)
and then there's this



arctic ice 'grew by a third' after cool summer in 2013

arctic ice 'grew by a third' after cool summer in 2013 - bbc news

Quote:

"the long-term trend of the ice volume is downwards and the long-term trend of the temperatures in the arctic is upwards and this finding doesn't give us any reason to disbelieve that - as far as we can tell it's just one anomalous year."
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arock10 07-24-2015 01:16 AM

But but but it was hot yesterday so clearly there is global warning

Grapesoda 07-24-2015 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog (Post 20532149)
Anyone who cant get their hear around weather change - Not aimed at you at all...

dear eddythedog,

the earth's weather is not static, the weather constantly modulates and has since the ''let there be light" activity... while it's true that the weather change does have impact on human behavior, the French revolution for instance, there is very little evidence that 'humans' are changing global weather other than the constant whining by Ben Aflac, Al Gore and Pres Obama, which by it's very nature hardly constitutes proof.

warm regards, GS

takethebluepill 07-24-2015 07:36 AM

To those of you who question global warming... going out on a limb here, but I assume most of you have nothing in the way of higher education. And no, driving by a university everyday on your way to the casino doesn't count.

Grapesoda 07-24-2015 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by takethebluepill (Post 20532417)
To those of you who question global warming... going out on a limb here, but I assume most of you have nothing in the way of higher education. And no, driving by a university everyday on your way to the casino doesn't count.

are you refereeing to our lack of indoctrination into liberal causes? this is your gift selected just for you..

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and FYI the mainstream media refuses to print anything against global warming.... i.e. we will not print anything we disagree with... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

in a world of perpetual war, omnipresent government surveillance and public manipulation, dictated by a political system euphemistically named English Socialism (or Ingsoc in the government's invented language, Newspeak) under the control of a privileged Inner Party elite, that persecutes individualism and independent thinking as "thoughtcrime".[3]

2MuchMark 07-24-2015 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20532140)
So the graph shows that we are a temperature anomaly of less than 1/2 of one degree Celsius

And it also shows that the temps have dropped the last few years from the "high" of almost 7/10 of one degree down closer to 1/2 of one degree.

Is that your big "proof" that the world is ending?

Here's another animated gif from NASA...it looks real scary, until you look at the actual numbers on it. A less than ONE degree change from a low in 1880 until now.
Climate Change: Climate Resource Center - Top 10 coldest and warmest years

Oooohhhh...we better create "carbon credits" and let some people get filthy rich while the poor people suffer needlessly from high energy prices over this!

And keep in mind...that's the average of the entire Earth's temps. Not the North Pole and South Pole. We were fed a line of shit that claimed the ice was all going to melt and we were DOOMED.
Now it's not melting. It's growing.

But somehow...that money MUST keep flowing. So we are still DOOMED!

Nasa says there's a problem. You say there's none. Are you saying Nasa is wrong and you are right?

dyna mo 07-24-2015 08:02 AM

it's actually called climate change these days, not global warming.

are you questioning if the climate is changing or if man is the main cause of the climate changing?

woj 07-24-2015 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by takethebluepill (Post 20532417)
To those of you who question global warming... going out on a limb here, but I assume most of you have nothing in the way of higher education. And no, driving by a university everyday on your way to the casino doesn't count.

one could argue that the reverse is true, that uneducated fall easier for politically driven bullshit... just look at this graph:

http://climate.nasa.gov/system/conte...mp_anomaly.jpg
source: http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Like Robbie pointed out, all the drama is over 0.5 degrees... and if you average out past 150 years, the average will come out to pretty much 0...

...and even 150 years worth of data when looking at earth's climate is like looking at stock prices for the past hour and trying to predict what will happen next week...


http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/ima...lEmissions.png
source:Global Emissions | Climate Change | US EPA

can anyone here explain why the temperature trend was flat from 1940 to 1980? Clearly industry/co2 emissions/etc grew rapidly during that time frame (4-fold increase between 1940 and 1980)... and yet, temperature trend was flat... why?

Best-In-BC 07-24-2015 08:13 AM

lol, you are clearly one of these people who just finds a artical that fits and calls it fact.

Grapesoda 07-24-2015 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Best-In-BC (Post 20532443)
lol, you are clearly one of these people who just finds a artical that fits and calls it fact.

lol, you are clearly one of those people that thinks they have superior knowledge because they parrot what some academic with no life experience, or knowledge outside a narrow range told them.

dyna mo 07-24-2015 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 20532430)
one could argue that the reverse is true, that uneducated fall easier for politically driven bullshit... just look at this graph:

http://climate.nasa.gov/system/conte...mp_anomaly.jpg
source: http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

Like Robbie pointed out, all the drama is over 0.5 degrees... and if you average out past 150 years, the average will come out to pretty much 0...

...and even 150 years worth of data when looking at earth's climate is like looking at stock prices for the past hour and trying to predict what will happen next week...


http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/ima...lEmissions.png
source:Global Emissions | Climate Change | US EPA

can anyone here explain why the temperature trend was flat from 1940 to 1980? Clearly industry/co2 emissions/etc grew rapidly during that time frame (4-fold increase between 1940 and 1980)... and yet, temperature trend was flat... why?

0.5 degree change is significant.

woj 07-24-2015 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20532458)
0.5 degree change is significant.

that's debatable... how did you reach the conclusion that it's "significant"?

what about the detail that the average over the past 150 years is 0? or that the temp trend from 1940 to 1980 was flat, while co2 emissions increased 4-fold in the same time frame?

dyna mo 07-24-2015 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 20532477)
that's debatable... how did you reach the conclusion that it's "significant"?

what about the detail that the average over the past 150 years is 0? or that the temp trend from 1940 to 1980 was flat, while co2 emissions increased 4-fold in the same time frame?

i'm going by what i've read and think i understand. the goal is 2 degrees reduction.

that detail doesn't pertain to my comment. it doesn't matter about that particular trend, my comment was only regarding the point that .5 degrees is a noticeable impact, according to what i've read about the entire goal of reducing temp change 2 degrees.

not picking sides here, because the argument is moot when it comes to the environment. nevertheless, apparently it doesn't take that much of a change to throw the system out of whack. also from what i've read, the impact is more on events rather than day to day temps, the weather events are more extreme, not daily temps more extreme.

_Richard_ 07-24-2015 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj (Post 20532477)
that's debatable... how did you reach the conclusion that it's "significant"?

what about the detail that the average over the past 150 years is 0? or that the temp trend from 1940 to 1980 was flat, while co2 emissions increased 4-fold in the same time frame?

well without wasting much time on the matter.. i believe everything we know and love was covered in gigantic man eating lizards with a difference of about 15 degrees on average

so a rise of .5 degrees in a 60 odd year period is, disturbing lol

Robbie 07-24-2015 09:26 AM

dynamo, what makes a half degree of the entire average temp of the Earth so significant?

I mean, I understand if a new Ice Age happens and we drop 100 degrees.

But warming up a half degree...hasn't that already happened and then went back down and then went back up over the last 1,000 years and pretty much in cycles ever since mankind has been on the Earth?

I don't get it. Except for the part where a lot of people are making a lot of money. Other than that I still haven't seen any govt. doing anything at all to stop this impending "disaster".

Matter of fact, right now while I'm typing this...the United States Federal Govt. led by a man who is 100% promoting Global Warming as a threat...has our war jets, tanks, humvees, and aircraft carriers putting out more of a "carbon footprint" than every car in the United States combined.

And that doesn't count the bombs they are dropping.

The only "urgency" I see our govt. feeling is the urgent need to enrich their cronies via the billions made in the "Carbon Trading" market.

And that does NOTHING to stop this "catastrophe" that ********** is agonizing over.

EDIT: Another question...if all of this "man made" climate change has led to a one half degree change and that's a HUGE deal supposedly...then wouldn't mankind somehow REDUCING the world's temperature by TWO degrees be catastrophic?

Robbie 07-24-2015 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ********** (Post 20532427)
Nasa says there's a problem. You say there's none. Are you saying Nasa is wrong and you are right?

No NASA didn't say there is a "problem".

They said quite clearly in the very graph that you linked to...that temps have went up 1/2 of ONE DEGREE over the last 145 years from some sort of predetermined "normal" temperature.
So they don't even try to call it going "up". They call it an "anomaly".

But no **********, they NEVER said that 1/2 of one degree was any kind of "problem"
You did.

Grapesoda 07-24-2015 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20532520)
No NASA didn't say there is a "problem".

They said quite clearly in the very graph that you linked to...that temps have went up 1/2 of ONE DEGREE over the last 145 years from some sort of predetermined "normal" temperature.
So they don't even try to call it going "up". They call it an "anomaly".

But no **********, they NEVER said that 1/2 of one degree was any kind of "problem"
You did.

but POTUS said there is a problems so there is a problem :2 cents:

dyna mo 07-24-2015 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20532517)
dynamo, what makes a half degree of the entire average temp of the Earth so significant?

I mean, I understand if a new Ice Age happens and we drop 100 degrees.

But warming up a half degree...hasn't that already happened and then went back down and then went back up over the last 1,000 years and pretty much in cycles ever since mankind has been on the Earth?

I don't get it. Except for the part where a lot of people are making a lot of money. Other than that I still haven't seen any govt. doing anything at all to stop this impending "disaster".

Matter of fact, right now while I'm typing this...the United States Federal Govt. led by a man who is 100% promoting Global Warming as a threat...has our war jets, tanks, humvees, and aircraft carriers putting out more of a "carbon footprint" than every car in the United States combined.

And that doesn't count the bombs they are dropping.

The only "urgency" I see our govt. feeling is the urgent need to enrich their cronies via the billions made in the "Carbon Trading" market.

And that does NOTHING to stop this "catastrophe" that ********** is agonizing over.

EDIT: Another question...if all of this "man made" climate change has led to a one half degree change and that's a HUGE deal supposedly...then wouldn't mankind somehow REDUCING the world's temperature by TWO degrees be catastrophic?

One Degree of Warming Having Major Impact, Study Finds

i didn't call it man-made climate change, i simply called it climate change. all i'm doing is including infos that small changes in climate can manifest into larger noticeable changes in the climate. i'm not speaking to the man-made issue, etc, just the incremental change, it would apply the other way as well, a degree cooler would also have broad impacts. also, this is celsius, not farenheit.

dyna mo 07-24-2015 09:55 AM

you have to sift through the floxum and jetsam of politicizing the issue in this article, but

"In general, each degree C of global temperature increase can be expected to produce:

• 5-10% changes in precipitation across many regions

• 3-10% increases in the amount of rain falling during the heaviest precipitation events

• 5-10% changes in streamflow across many river basins

• 15% decreases in the annually averaged extent of sea ice across the Arctic Ocean, with 25% decreases in the yearly minimum extent in September

• 5-15% reductions in the yields of crops as currently grown

• 200-400% increases in the area burned by wildfire in parts of the western United States

However, many other impacts remain difficult to quantify, in part because they depend on additional factors besides climate change. "

http://dels.nas.edu/resources/static...orld_final.pdf


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