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Paul Markham 04-03-2016 11:33 PM

Panama Papers. How the rich avoid taxes.
 
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A coalition of more than 100 media organizations on Sunday published what it said was an extensive probe into the offshore financial deals of the rich and famous from documents from a Panamanian law firm, Mossack Fonseca, fed from an anonymous source.
If you want to see change, vote for Governments that stop this. It needs the US and EU to come together to ban companies and people hiding money in tax havens.

Google Expert 04-04-2016 12:15 AM

I cant blame hard working people for hiding money from governments that want to redistribute their wealth to worthless dindus

klinton 04-04-2016 12:29 AM

:winkwink::winkwink::winkwink:
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Originally Posted by Muad'Dib (Post 20816258)
I cant blame hard working people for hiding money from governments that want to redistribute their wealth to worthless dindus


Paul Markham 04-04-2016 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Muad'Dib (Post 20816258)
I cant blame hard working people for hiding money from governments that want to redistribute their wealth to worthless dindus

So how about private police, ambulance, fire, and every other form of Government? with you paying for it as you use it, of course if you haven't paid and something goes wrong. You're fucked.

Most of these tax dodgers are the people who are responsible for making so many unemployed. Leaving the rest or the country to pick up the tabs. I'm waiting to see Trump's or Clinton's names on the list.

klinton 04-04-2016 01:02 AM

I would blame technology more:winkwink::winkwink::winkwink:
100 % employed is possible only in communist countries...with low quality
how about Switzerland ? they are not so highly taxes and unemployment over there is around 5 %
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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20816288)
Most of these tax dodgers are the people who are responsible for making so many unemployed.


Google Expert 04-04-2016 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20816288)
So how about private police, ambulance, fire, and every other form of Government? with you paying for it as you use it, of course if you haven't paid and something goes wrong. You're fucked.

I pay enough taxes paying for products. VAT, etc.

If they want more, they should stop handing out my money to dindus who destroy civilized society.

kane 04-04-2016 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by klinton (Post 20816297)
I would blame technology more:winkwink::winkwink::winkwink:
100 % employed is possible only in communist countries...with low quality
how about Switzerland ? they are not so highly taxes and unemployment over there is around 5 %

They also don't have a massive military that is spread all over the world playing world police like we do. Switzerland has a GDP of around $685 billion. The US spends that much alone on the military.

SilentKnight 04-04-2016 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Muad'Dib (Post 20816258)
I cant blame hard working people for hiding money from governments that want to redistribute their wealth to worthless dindus

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Originally Posted by Muad'Dib (Post 20816315)
I pay enough taxes paying for products. VAT, etc.

If they want more, they should stop handing out my money to dindus who destroy civilized society.

Precisely. :thumbsup

Vendot 04-04-2016 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20816225)
If you want to see change, vote for Governments that stop this. It needs the US and EU to come together to ban companies and people hiding money in tax havens.

Very simplistic understanding you have about this.

People and Entities that generate significant cash represent less than 1%. The 1% own more than half the assets in the world and pay much more than half the total tax generated globally. However it is not just tax revenue that matters, it is the velocity of money they create through the money they generate for the banking system which in turn (through fractional reserve banking) means expanding credit, supporting the economy and growing GDP globally.

They are *very* sophisticated and there is NO WAY you can stop them doing whatever they choose to do. They also control the entire functioning of the world, so attacking them is a bit like attacking the Golden Goose. You fuck with them and no more eggs.

It's a FACT. Now if you were a serious business person (which you have proven you are not) and had a decent understanding of economics, you wouldn't have come up with a statement like that in the first place.

slapass 04-04-2016 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Muad'Dib (Post 20816258)
I cant blame hard working people for hiding money from governments that want to redistribute their wealth to worthless dindus

There are places that don't this. Feel free to live there.

slapass 04-04-2016 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 20816501)
Very simplistic understanding you have about this.

People and Entities that generate significant cash represent less than 1%. The 1% own more than half the assets in the world and pay much more than half the total tax generated globally. However it is not just tax revenue that matters, it is the velocity of money they create through the money they generate for the banking system which in turn (through fractional reserve banking) means expanding credit, supporting the economy and growing GDP globally.

They are *very* sophisticated and there is NO WAY you can stop them doing whatever they choose to do. They also control the entire functioning of the world, so attacking them is a bit like attacking the Golden Goose. You fuck with them and no more eggs.

It's a FACT. Now if you were a serious business person (which you have proven you are not) and had a decent understanding of economics, you wouldn't have come up with a statement like that in the first place.

Except it hasn't always been this way. So it is a fact today.

Exploding wealth inequality in the United States - Equitable Growth

Edit - better display of the top 1% and top 10% - https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2...der1.png?w=640

Vendot 04-04-2016 06:36 AM

Latest Leaks From Mossack Fonseca Live:

Panama Papers: global reaction to huge leak of offshore tax files - live | News | The Guardian

Grapesoda 04-04-2016 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20816225)
If you want to see change, vote for Governments that stop this. It needs the US and EU to come together to ban companies and people hiding money in tax havens.

Paul would you pls stop justify being a loser.... seriously :2 cents:

Rochard 04-04-2016 09:00 AM

I've said this over and over again - only the poor pay taxes.

pornmasta 04-05-2016 12:12 AM

I don't believe in this scandal.
There is there to many people going at the same place to do money laundering.

freecartoonporn 04-05-2016 12:49 AM

and this is news ?
nobody suspected it ? damn shame.

LetterTwenty7 04-05-2016 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by freecartoonporn (Post 20818283)
and this is news ?
nobody suspected it ? damn shame.

Good point. This is not new, but it is news when they get caught.

Paul Markham 04-05-2016 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Muad'Dib (Post 20816315)
I pay enough taxes paying for products. VAT, etc.

If they want more, they should stop handing out my money to dindus who destroy civilized society.

I agree with you that we should stop dead all migration except for high skilled and rich. Reduce benefits for the third or more children. It won't eliminate the unemployed or low paid, it will stop the increase.

However who or what created the Dindus you harp on about? Like fat people, there were very few of them around in the 50s, 60, and 70s. Look to the people who have massively benefitted by increasing their numbers for the real culprits, they brainwashed you to blame the symptons not the cause.

Paul Markham 04-05-2016 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 20816501)
Very simplistic understanding you have about this.

People and Entities that generate significant cash represent less than 1%. The 1% own more than half the assets in the world and pay much more than half the total tax generated globally. However it is not just tax revenue that matters, it is the velocity of money they create through the money they generate for the banking system which in turn (through fractional reserve banking) means expanding credit, supporting the economy and growing GDP globally.

They are *very* sophisticated and there is NO WAY you can stop them doing whatever they choose to do. They also control the entire functioning of the world, so attacking them is a bit like attacking the Golden Goose. You fuck with them and no more eggs.

It's a FACT. Now if you were a serious business person (which you have proven you are not) and had a decent understanding of economics, you wouldn't have come up with a statement like that in the first place.

If we weren't exporting jobs and importing cheaps goods. You would be spot on.

The fact is there's nothing to stop more jobs and wealth leaving the West. No Golden Goose, no eggs.

Paul Markham 04-05-2016 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20816654)
Paul would you pls stop justify being a loser.... seriously :2 cents:

Cancer survivor. Happy life, a family who love me and I them. Retired, more money to live on than I need. And I got into the porn industry when money was easy to make and got out when the shit dropped.

Vendot 04-05-2016 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20818349)
The fact is there's nothing to stop more jobs and wealth leaving the West. No Golden Goose, no eggs.

That's right but the point is that whatever is left, you should try to encourage to stay not the opposite.

Look at what happened with HSBC over tax issues. They threatened to leave the UK for Hong Kong over the last two years - finally, when push came to shove and they were ready to go, the government caved in with some big concessions. Surprise surprise, HSBC has now decided to keep its UK domicile.

If you attack the entity, they just jump off the ship, its easy enough to do. So, inspite of all this media storm and posturing, don't be under any illusion about who's in charge.

slapass 04-05-2016 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20818343)
I agree with you that we should stop dead all migration except for high skilled and rich. Reduce benefits for the third or more children. It won't eliminate the unemployed or low paid, it will stop the increase.

However who or what created the Dindus you harp on about? Like fat people, there were very few of them around in the 50s, 60, and 70s. Look to the people who have massively benefitted by increasing their numbers for the real culprits, they brainwashed you to blame the symptons not the cause.

In the US it has been about 3% since the 80's. I have not looked further back then that. They pretty much have always been there and people just like to bitch about it.

Joshua G 04-05-2016 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20816921)
I've said this over and over again - only the poor pay taxes.

yep its easy to be a big liberal & rich. you can go on TV & shill for free college for all, knowing full well your not gonna be paying for it.

:2 cents:

slapass 04-05-2016 05:34 AM

It seems to be having an effect on the stock markets.

Paul Markham 04-05-2016 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 20818745)
That's right but the point is that whatever is left, you should try to encourage to stay not the opposite.

Look at what happened with HSBC over tax issues. They threatened to leave the UK for Hong Kong over the last two years - finally, when push came to shove and they were ready to go, the government caved in with some big concessions. Surprise surprise, HSBC has now decided to keep its UK domicile.

If you attack the entity, they just jump off the ship, its easy enough to do. So, inspite of all this media storm and posturing, don't be under any illusion about who's in charge.

Banking is a special case. The rest have to be forced to stay or face huge import taxes. Look at the farce of the EU. It was supposed to build a trading zone among EU countries. In practice, it gave trade deals to Third World Countries so they could import with no restrictions. Chinese Steel!!!

Paul Markham 04-05-2016 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20818754)
In the US it has been about 3% since the 80's. I have not looked further back then that. They pretty much have always been there and people just like to bitch about it.

3% of who or what?

Paul Markham 04-05-2016 05:44 AM

I watched the Panorama program about the documents that have been uncovered. It was largely centered on the UK, it did expose a Russian musician and friend of Putin who is fronting a company handling 100s of millions of Dollars.

It also exposed a person who was being paid by UK taxpayers to build a hospital and pocketing millions of Pounds, criminals hiding the proceeds of crime, businessmen hiding profits and hiding the money in Panama.

After the wars in Afganistan and Iraq who got the contracts to rebuild what was bombed and where is the money?

Trickle down only works when the money stays in the country and taxes are paid on it. As for providing jobs, if the rich did that in the countries they rely on for sales. There would be a lot less Dindus.

bronco67 04-05-2016 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Grapesoda (Post 20816654)
Paul would you pls stop justify being a loser.... seriously :2 cents:

That's funny. Intelligent statement gets answered by "you're a loser".

You haven't said one intelligent thing ever.

slapass 04-05-2016 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20818787)
3% of who or what?

The chronically unemployed.

slapass 04-05-2016 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20818808)
I watched the Panorama program about the documents that have been uncovered. It was largely centered on the UK, it did expose a Russian musician and friend of Putin who is fronting a company handling 100s of millions of Dollars.

It also exposed a person who was being paid by UK taxpayers to build a hospital and pocketing millions of Pounds, criminals hiding the proceeds of crime, businessmen hiding profits and hiding the money in Panama.

After the wars in Afganistan and Iraq who got the contracts to rebuild what was bombed and where is the money?

Trickle down only works when the money stays in the country and taxes are paid on it. As for providing jobs, if the rich did that in the countries they rely on for sales. There would be a lot less Dindus.

Dindus is a racial slur. I am not sure you meant it that way.

Penny24Seven 04-05-2016 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20816225)
If you want to see change, vote for Governments that stop this. It needs the US and EU to come together to ban companies and people hiding money in tax havens.

This has gone on forever and just because of a leak now you say this LOL. Come on, unless more leaks happen you will not hear about it.

Barry-xlovecam 04-05-2016 07:33 AM

The latest news is that the Chinese are censoring the news of the Panama Pages Leak for the reason that their government leaders' families appear to be involved in tax avoidance schemes.

galleryseek 04-05-2016 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20816288)
So how about private police, ambulance, fire, and every other form of Government? with you paying for it as you use it, of course if you haven't paid and something goes wrong. You're fucked.

Right, do you have something against personal responsibility? Being that you're so concerned about the welfare of other people, you and others alike should have no problem voluntarily pooling together resources for the few that are negatively affected in such scenarios.

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20816288)
Most of these tax dodgers are the people who are responsible for making so many unemployed.

Actually, most of these tax dodgers are responsible for employing so many.. You can blame the government for unemployment with minimum wage, regulations, etc..

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20816288)
Leaving the rest or the country to pick up the tabs.

Don't hate on them. Hate on the system that extorts you on a daily basis. They're the reason there're tabs in the first place.

dyna mo 04-05-2016 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 20816921)
I've said this over and over again - only the poor pay taxes.

And that would make sense if your claim was accurate, but it's not.

The Porn Nerd 04-05-2016 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendot (Post 20818745)
That's right but the point is that whatever is left, you should try to encourage to stay not the opposite.

Look at what happened with HSBC over tax issues. They threatened to leave the UK for Hong Kong over the last two years - finally, when push came to shove and they were ready to go, the government caved in with some big concessions. Surprise surprise, HSBC has now decided to keep its UK domicile.

If you attack the entity, they just jump off the ship, its easy enough to do. So, inspite of all this media storm and posturing, don't be under any illusion about who's in charge.

Right, so put up with everything and anything "they" (the 1%) feel like doing, regardless of consequence. You know, because the 1% are the KINGS of the World and we just live in it, right? Let them do ANYTHING because......why again? Oh right, my quality of life may change.

Fucking really dude? Why not promote Trickle Down Economics? You know, where the rich keep all the coins and whatever falls out of their pockets and "trickles down" to the peons beneath them we should be happy with. Right?

My favorite expression: "Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining." THAT is Trickle Down Economics boy.

Sid70 04-05-2016 09:49 AM

How come they used to shop at one place all together? That is sorta LOL.
Btw, be sure to switch from Paxum to Payoneer. Why? Just saying.

brandonstills 04-05-2016 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20816225)
If you want to see change, vote for Governments that stop this. It needs the US and EU to come together to ban companies and people hiding money in tax havens.

You mean, tell the people running the countries to crack down on what they themselves are doing?

Paul Markham 04-05-2016 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass (Post 20818856)
Dindus is a racial slur. I am not sure you meant it that way.

Sorry. I meant people who don't work for whatever reason.

Paul Markham 04-05-2016 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian837 (Post 20818862)
This has gone on forever and just because of a leak now you say this LOL. Come on, unless more leaks happen you will not hear about it.

So why should we put up with it?

Corporation tax is outdated. These papers contain more than that.

Paul Markham 04-05-2016 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by galleryseek (Post 20819024)
Right, do you have something against personal responsibility? Being that you're so concerned about the welfare of other people, you and others alike should have no problem voluntarily pooling together resources for the few that are negatively affected in such scenarios.

Absolutely not. How is someone responsible for their bosses not paying taxes, moving their job overseas, paying minimum wage?

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Actually, most of these tax dodgers are responsible for employing so many.. You can blame the government for unemployment with minimum wage, regulations, etc..
Employing people in the Far East. Yes we can blame the Government for signing trade deals that made the West a bad place to manufacture but a great place to sell.

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Don't hate on them. Hate on the system that extorts you on a daily basis. They're the reason there're tabs in the first place.
Do you mean the system the Governments created?


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