Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21440296)

It is a failure. Nothing wrong with it? Then why has nearly every major company left it? They don't even like what they created.

Originally Posted by 2MuchMark (Post 21440428)

They lie because they get away with it.

What's interesting though, is that their lies are becoming more and more obvious. They are trying less and less to cover up their lies.

Trump still LIES, saying he never did it. Trump's Mockery of a Disabled Journalist: Watch for Yourself

Originally Posted by john1975 (Post 21440458)

there's no reason to leave it, their only other option was sky-high healthcare costs of the old.

so for that, you sound like a Republican. (talking out of ur ass)

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21440497)

Umm it bankrupting your company is a great reason to leave it... There won't be any companies left next year. All of the current ones will take on such huge losses this year they will bail as well.

It was flawed from the start just like many predicted it would be but you libs wouldn't listen. "We'll read it after it's passed."

Fortunately it appears that Trump is listening to the only sensible person on the matter, Rand Paul. It looks like Paul may even be his repeal and replace go to guy.

Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 21440245)

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21440497)

Fortunately it appears that Trump is listening to the only sensible person on the matter, Rand Paul. It looks like Paul may even be his repeal and replace go to guy.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21440542)

Do you ever fact check anything you say?

Every single one of the companies that left the exchange had profit INCREASES the year before they left!

Blue Cross, Aetna, United & Humana

Blue Cross: Months before the parent company of Blue Cross Blue Shield of Texas sought to raise rates and shed coverage plans for hundreds of thousands of customers across its divisions, the Chicago-based nonprofit was sitting on a $9.9 billion surplus.

Health Care Service Corp. also had topped its previous year?s revenue by 22 percent, bringing it to $27.7 billion, and had given its CEO a $10 million bonus, according to its 2014 year-end financial statements and other documents.

Aetna: Aetna's net income rose nearly 8% to $603.9 million, or $1.70 per share, in the third quarter compared to $560.1 million, or $1.59 per share, in the third quarter of 2015, the company said.

United Healthcare: The company also increased its forecast for 2016 adjusted net earnings to about $8.00 per share, from $7.80-$7.95. UnitedHealth's net earnings attributable to shareholders rose to $1.97 billion, or $2.03 per share, in the third quarter ended Sept. 30, from $1.60 billion or $1.65 per share, a year earlier.

Humana: Revenue rose 2 percent to $14.01 billion, topping the average estimate of $13.59 billion.

Originally Posted by john1975 (Post 21440584)

Republicans a couple days ago already said their replacing it with 'nothing' ....

n-o-t-h-i-n-g..... the same thing Republicans have done for healthcare reform the last 50+ years... only to favor the rich , and kill-off the poor.

you don't get it do you? I've been following this topic for 20 years. Republicans want nothing to do with making affordable healthcare....and never have.

like the meme says

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 21440470)

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21440656)

They will replace it. Don't get your panties in a wad.


Rand Paul says Trump backs him, not GOP leaders, on health care | MSNBC

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21440647)

The companies profited on current customers but suffered HUGE losses with Obamacare.

Humana, one of the nation?s top health insurers, is pulling out of ObamaCare plans in all but a handful of states after a year of nearly $1 billion in losses.
Humana to leave key ObamaCare markets | TheHill

It shouldn't come as a huge surprise. UnitedHealth had previously said that it lost $475 million on the ACA exchanges last year and could lose another $500 million this year.

UnitedHealthcare to exit most Obamacare exchanges - Apr. 19, 2016

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21440218)

Interesting fact: In states that Trump won there are over 6 million Obamacare enrollees on Obamacare subsidies. About 9 million people total take Obamacare subsidies countrywide.

That means that 67% of all enrollees on subsidies are in Trump states & 30% of TOTAL 20 million Obamacare enrollees are Trump state subsidy users :thumbsup

New State Data: ACA Marketplace Enrollees Receiving Estimated $32.8 Billion in Tax Credits, Which Would be Eliminated Under Repeal of the ACA | The Henry J. Kaiser Family Foundation

A lot of people in red states are set to lose Obamacare

Those are just Trump state people enrolled with subsidies , it doesn't include their Obamacare Medicaid expansion enrolrees.

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21440665)

Just like Mexico will pay for the chain link fence.. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Fake troll go away..

Originally Posted by crockett (Post 21440665)

Just like Mexico will pay for the chain link fence.. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Fake troll go away..

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21440668)

Dude you just saw the PROFITS they ALL made. Why do you ignore black and white proof right in your face. You are in denial.

That story you linked to says Aetna is only staying in 11 states instead of 19. They still made a PROFIT but not as much as PROJECTED so they consider that a paper loss and only stay in the 11 most profitable states for them.

They aren't going bankrupt, none of them are. As I proved, they are ALL making profits, none have taken losses to be in the negative, just not meeting projected profit margins.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21440707)

The only business thread I could find he started was this one in 2012 and the email contact domain is expired.

Everything else is basically anti Obama healthcare in 2013 anti Democrat rah rah rah

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21440728)

Sorry, but you can't expect a for profit business to act like a government and/or charity. They have investors to answer to. If there's an area of the business taking on huge losses it's their responsibility to cut it out.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21440656)

They will replace it. Don't get your panties in a wad.


Rand Paul says Trump backs him, not GOP leaders, on health care | MSNBC

Originally Posted by john1975 (Post 21440866)

trust me, they won't. and they'll find every reason to return all the power to the previous , extremely corrupt , big healthcare companies....and skyhigh prices. They've already dished out millions to congressmen...to 'serve' their interests.

the best moment was when they were first asked "what are you going to replace it with...?" and their all standing there like "duhhhhhhhhh". Firm evidence they've NEVER even thought of their own plan...and still haven't...and never will.

Just return all the power to the previous corrupt...that's all this is about.

so take ur pick....corrupt corporations or corrupt gov...or both.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21440797)

You lied though, none of them are going bankrupt, one made 22% profit increase, another 8%, they all made billions in profits :thumbsup

Saying they're going bankrupt losing money as your premise for them leaving the exchange is a lie.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21440980)

There's only so many billions one can lose. Again these aren't charities or governments.

Originally Posted by bronco67 (Post 21441001)

No one should think Republicans have been working on -- or will be working on any kind of plan to replace ACA. They just want to put a knife through Obamacare, and that's it. Their heart is not in creating healthcare for people -- it's in taking bribes from insurance lobbies.

They tried so many times over the last several years, but they knew their vote would get vetoed by a democratic president. Now that they have full control, let's see if they have the balls to uproot this beast and take on something they're woefully not prepared for --- to look out for the interests of others. Going to be interesting to watch the dog figure out what to do with the firetruck he finally caught.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21440911)

The current plan mandates we buy from those corrupt corporations you despise so much. Wouldn't eliminating state boarders as far as healthcare is concerned promoting competition and personal incentives rather than fines be a much better solution? Why not get behind a practical solution rather than playing negative nancy because 1 thing that's for sure ACA is going away.

Originally Posted by john1975 (Post 21441043)

that's what Obama wanted, and he put his whole reputation on the line in his first few years as president to get the BEST possible healthcare scenario for the country. But guess who poo-poo'd everything and prevented this? yup, your friendly Republican congressmen. It got soo watered down by the time it was done. So that people like you, can do like your doing now and blaming HIM for something Republicans did.

Originally Posted by john1975 (Post 21441043)

that's what Obama wanted, and he put his whole reputation on the line in his first few years as president to get the BEST possible healthcare scenario for the country. But guess who poo-poo'd everything and prevented this? yup, your friendly Republican congressmen. It got soo watered down by the time it was done. So that people like you, can do like your doing now and blaming HIM for something Republicans did.

Originally Posted by Bladewire (Post 21441073)

You're talking to a guy who was just shown the insurance companies have made BILLIONS in profits hand over fist last year but tells us they're losing money :thumbsup

He's been posting anti Obamacare rhetoric threads for years. Reality doesn't fit his programming.

Originally Posted by onwebcam (Post 21440695)

It's really going to ruffle your feathers when Paul proposes an actual sensible plan isn't it? Obama's legacy disaster of a bill gone and replaced by a republican. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh