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DVTimes 06-05-2005 05:05 AM

To all those in the USA - get this film: OLIVER STONE'S COMANDANTE
 
http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeyesunda...nte/about.html

OLIVER STONE'S COMANDANTE

I was told that this film is baned in the USA (so much for being free). Watch it and you will see the real Cuba.

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In February 2002, acclaimed director Oliver Stone traveled to Havana to meet with Cuban leader, Fidel Castro. Over the course of three days, the two men engaged in a series of frank conversations, which culminated, months later, in the film Comandante.

In an interview with the London Times, Oliver Stone noted that directing Comandante - his first documentary film - has given him a welcome break from movie-making.

?I was tired of movies because they?re so big, expensive and artificial...and also the digital aspect was so important. It was great to take up the camera and feel it out and feel the freedom.?

The project began when Fernando Sulichan, a Spanish producer, offered Stone a chance to interview Fidel Castro for Spanish TV.

The Cuban leader had agreed to the interview under the condition that he could stop filming at any moment. The production team taped over 30 hours of interviews and Castro never exercised his power to stop the cameras.

Over the three days, Stone films Castro working at his office, touring a medical school and a museum, and follows him through the streets where he mingles freely with Cuban citizens.

In an interview with the BBC, Stone talked about his thoughts on Castro.

"Castro is isolated in the hemisphere and for those reasons I admire him because he's a fighter. He stood alone and in a sense he's Don Quixote, the last revolutionary, tilting at this windmill of keeping the island in a state of, I suppose, egalitarianism where everyone would get the break, everyone gets the education and everyone gets good water."

The film paints Castro as an engaging and intelligent leader, and looks beyond the familiar beard, cigar and jungle fatigues. Stone and Castro discuss pivotal moment in world history such as President Kennedy's assassination, the Bay of Pigs invasion and the Cuban missile crisis.

Originally produced for Spanish television, the European and American film communities expressed interest in the documentary. Comandante premiered at the Sundance Film Festival in January 2003 and HBO planned to air the film the following May in the U.S.

In April 2003 several men armed with a pistol and knives hijacked a Cuban ferry and 50 passengers and ordered the captain to sail for the U.S. The ferry was captured by Cuban authorities and a few days later three of the hijackers were executed by firing squad, on Castro's orders. 75 other dissidents were imprisoned.

In the controversy over this news story Comandante was banned from the New York Tribeca film festival and HBO postponed its broadcast stating that current events made the film 'incomplete'.

The network asked Oliver Stone to return to Cuba and interview Castro again with recent events in mind. Castro agreed as he was upset by the accusations and wanted to have a chance to deny them. The resulting film, Looking for Fidel is scheduled to run on HBO in April 2004.

Stone has also directed a documentary, Persona Non Grata about Yasser Arafat and the current state of the Palestinian conflict.

Terry 06-05-2005 05:09 AM

It aired in 2004 .. I missed it, dammit!

bringer 06-05-2005 05:10 AM

just burn an american flag and move to cuba. get it over with already

DVTimes 06-05-2005 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terry
It aired in 2004 .. I missed it, dammit!

Its well worth watching.

Fidel Castro drove with Oliver Stone, he even changed seats to make Oliver Stone more comfortable. He had not one security person with him. People loved him. It would have been too easy to have someone kill him. But people love the guy.

Even in the UK, all our mp's have security around them.

In many way, people seem far more free in Cuba than they do in most other countries.

DVTimes 06-05-2005 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bringer
just burn an american flag and move to cuba. get it over with already


I am in the UK.

Why would I burn the USA flag?

After all, if you prefer to pay for your heath care and education, that's up to you. However if like me you feel that heath care and education should be free for all, and not a few Cuba works.

project_naughty 06-05-2005 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
Its well worth watching.

Fidel Castro drove with Oliver Stone, he even changed seats to make Oliver Stone more comfortable. He had not one security person with him. People loved him. It would have been too easy to have someone kill him. But people love the guy.

Even in the UK, all our mp's have security around them.

In many way, people seem far more free in Cuba than they do in most other countries.

You are such a gullible fool, it has to be said.

bringer 06-05-2005 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
I am in the UK.

Why would I burn the USA flag?

After all, if you prefer to pay for your heath care and education, that's up to you. However if like me you feel that heath care and education should be free for all, and not a few Cuba works.

lets think about this. free health care for all. where do the funds for this come from? any ideas? thats like overpaying for a honda and getting a "free" pepsi

DVTimes 06-05-2005 05:22 AM

By the way Americans, if you come to London, the lord mayer is a comunist, he is known as Red Ken (Ken Livingstone). In deed many of the older members of Labour or well known comunists (sorry).

DVTimes 06-05-2005 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bringer
lets think about this. free health care for all. where do the funds for this come from? any ideas? thats like overpaying for a honda and getting a "free" pepsi

Its simple. It costs nothing to do, as no one can earn more than $10 a month.

So its very cheap to do.

And everybody is happy about it.

Everybody has a house. No homeless.

Sorry, looks like communism works. Darn it.

DVTimes 06-05-2005 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by project_naughty
You are such a gullible fool, it has to be said.

I must be. So must the people of Cuba who all have houses, free education, free health care.

So must be my friends who have been and a few of my college lecturers who went.

You are right, its a silly system.

Much better to have to pay for heath, education, housing. Get into debt, stress.

DVTimes 06-05-2005 05:32 AM

Hate to tell you this, but Cuba does work.

In fact, you could say it works better than that of the UK, or USA or indeed any other western country.

And if you think I am wrong, name one country that everybody has a house, free education (including university), free heath care (at Cuba's level).

DVTimes 06-05-2005 05:33 AM

BIOGRAPHY OF CASTRO

August 13, 1926: Fidel Castro is born on his family's sugar plantation in Oriente province in Cuba. From a very wealthy family, young Castro spent many of his early years in Catholic boarding schools.

1945: Castro attends the University of Havana's law school and earns a degree. During his student years, Castro becomes a political activist. He is dedicated to social justice and committed to reform of government, which he views as corrupt.

1947: Castro joins the Ortodoxos party, which has a mandate to bring about peaceful revolutionary change through constitutional means.

1948: Castro attends a Pan-American conference in Bogata, Columbia. The student congress turns violent and many people are killed in the riot. The passion and drama of the event compel Castro to consider guerilla warfare as a means of revolutionary change.

1949: Castro marries Mirta Diaz Balart and has his first son, Fidelito. The marriage lasts only 5 years. Castro gets custody of Fidelito and never re-marries (although he fathers many more children in several common-law relationships).

1950: Fidel Castro opens a private law practice in Havana and devotes himself to helping the poor.

1952: Edauro Chibas, Castro's politician mentor, commits suicide during a radio broadcast. Fidel accompanies him to the hospital.

Castro plans to run for the House of Representatives in the next election but General Batista overthrows Cuba's government in a coup. Castro challenges the new regime in court but is unsuccessful.

1953: Castro puts together a small band of revolutionaries and organizes an armed attack on the Moncada barracks in Oriente province on July 26th. Half of the attackers are killed. Castro and his brother Raul are taken prisoner. He is sentenced to 15 years in prison.

In response to the charges against him Castro gives a speech called 'History will Absolve Me' which becomes the manifesto of his movement.

1955: Fidel Castro is released from prison in a general amnesty. He goes to Mexico and organizes Cuban exiles into a fighting force called the 26th of July Revolutionary Movement. He meets Ernesto 'Che' Guevara, an Argentinean doctor who is dedicated to radical politics and socialist causes.

1956: A group of 82 men launch at attack on the north coast of Oriente province. Only 12 survive and they re-treat in the Sierra Maestra mountains and continue to wage guerilla warfare. The movement grows to 800 men.

Casto's movement grows in popularity as he promises class and farming reforms and an end to Batista's corrupt government.

1958: As the military campaigns continue, the U.S. ceases to support Batista and orders an arms embargo. In May, Batista pushes back with an offensive that he loses.

January 1, 1959: Batista flees Cuba and Castro's small force makes a victorious entry into Havana. Tension with the U.S. government grows as the Cuban government begins to expropriate American-owned properties.

1960: Cuba becomes friendly with the USSR and makes an agreement to buy Russian oil. The U.S. imposes an economic blockade that is still in force today.

1961: Diplomatic relations end with the U.S. A force of 1,300 Cuban exiles, trained and supported by the CIA, attempt to invade Cuba at the Bay of Pigs. The Cuban army easily defeats the rebels.

1962: The U.S. government discovers that the Soviet Union is setting up long-range ballistic missiles in Cuba. This is perceived as a threat and President Kennedy institutes a naval blockade of Cuba. President Kennedy warns the Russians that if they launch a missile from Cuba, the U.S. will retaliate with full force against them.

On October 24, the Russian ships carrying the missiles turn back and the missile sites in Cuba are dismantled.

Meanwhile, Castro is very popular in Cuba. He institutes sweeping land reforms which give land to the masses of peasants. He nationalizes hundreds of major companies in Cuba which had been previously foreign owned. He also sets up free education and health care for all Cubans.

But the upper and middle class in Cuba grow disillusioned with Castro's plan for the country. Thousands of Cubans risk their lives to escape to the U.S. rather than live in Castro's communist state.

1991: The collapse of communism in the Soviet Union throws Cuba into a domestic crisis. Economic aid ceases and Cuba endures a massive recession. Castro tries to modernize Cuba's economy by allowing some private enterprise.

2000: Elian Gonzalez, a young Cuban boy is the lone survivor of a Cuban refugee boat wreck that claimed his mother's life. His relatives in Miami fight to keep him in the U.S. but Fidel Castro insists that the boy be returned to Cuba to live with his Cuban father. A bitter battle ensues. The U.S. government finally seizes the child from a home in Miami and returns him to Cuba with his father.

2003: Fidel Castro is strongly criticized after he orders the death of three men who had tried to hijack a passenger ferry.


Castro has been with his current common-law wife Dalia Soto del Valle for 30 years and they have 5 sons; Angel, Antonio, Alejandro, Alexis and Alex.


He is now the longest serving leader of any country in the world.

wjxxx 06-05-2005 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
Its simple. It costs nothing to do, as no one can earn more than $10 a month.

So its very cheap to do.

And everybody is happy about it.

Everybody has a house. No homeless.

Sorry, looks like communism works. Darn it.

OK so if it is such paradise then why people run from that paradise on boats risking lives ?

Head 06-05-2005 05:35 AM

Looks like a good movie.

DVTimes 06-05-2005 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wjxxx
OK so if it is such paradise then why people run from that paradise on boats risking lives ?

But the upper and middle class in Cuba grow disillusioned with Castro's plan for the country. Thousands of Cubans risk their lives to escape to the U.S. rather than live in Castro's communist state.

DVTimes 06-05-2005 05:41 AM

I tell you what, buy the film - watch it - then make up your mind.

Lets face it, your USA government is hardly going to promote the fact than communism can work, as for many years it told you it did not.

In the UK we have had many supporters (well known) of communism, this includes the current Lord Mayor of London, Red Ken (Ken Livingstone). And support Cuba.

wjxxx 06-05-2005 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
I tell you what, buy the film - watch it - then make up your mind.

Lets face it, your USA government is hardly going to promote the fact than communism can work, as for many years it told you it did not.

In the UK we have had many supporters (well known) of communism, this includes the current Lord Mayor of London, Red Ken (Ken Livingstone). And support Cuba.

Do you really beilieve in everything that you watch on DVD ? :helpme

DVTimes 06-05-2005 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wjxxx
Do you really beilieve in everything that you watch on DVD ? :helpme

No, I believe people who have been to Cuba.

Why do you believe everything you see on TV - sorry silly question, your American (ha ha ha).

project_naughty 06-05-2005 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
Hate to tell you this, but Cuba does work.

In fact, you could say it works better than that of the UK, or USA or indeed any other western country.

And if you think I am wrong, name one country that everybody has a house, free education (including university), free heath care (at Cuba's level).

What a poor, young, impressionable fool you are. I remember when I was 14 or 15, I thought that communism sounded attractive, until I actually thought about it. Then I realised that it is one of the worst systems ever invented by man. It's only killed over 100 million people since it was invented.

If communism is so successful, perhaps you could tell us all how many signups you get from Cuba, China and North Korea.

wjxxx 06-05-2005 05:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
Why do you believe everything you see on TV - sorry silly question, your American (ha ha ha).

No, I remember and I`m not American :1orglaugh

DVTimes 06-05-2005 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by project_naughty
What a poor, young, impressionable fool you are. I remember when I was 14 or 15, I thought that communism sounded attractive, until I actually thought about it. Then I realised that it is one of the worst systems ever invented by man. It's only killed over 100 million people since it was invented.

If communism is so successful, perhaps you could tell us all how many signups you get from Cuba, China and North Korea.

Ha Ha Ha.

China (and old USSR) was only communism by name. They are not real communist countries, and do not really help people.

Cuba is about helping people.

I would bet that there are a vast amount of people who die of poverty in both UK and USA.

DVTimes 06-05-2005 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by project_naughty
What a poor, young, impressionable fool you are. I remember when I was 14 or 15, I thought that communism sounded attractive, until I actually thought about it. Then I realised that it is one of the worst systems ever invented by man. It's only killed over 100 million people since it was invented.

If communism is so successful, perhaps you could tell us all how many signups you get from Cuba, China and North Korea.

So your argument for not going down Cuba's system is that you will not make money from porn.

I tell you right now, I would give up porn in a second, if I was given a free house, and free heath and education. No stress.

The only reason I do porn is to give myself the quality of life that those in Cuba have.

project_naughty 06-05-2005 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
Ha Ha Ha.

China (and old USSR) was only communism by name. They are not real communist countries, and do not really help people.

Cuba is about helping people.

I would bet that there are a vast amount of people who die of poverty in both UK and USA.

Dipshit. That's the standard communist apologetic - "if only communism were practiced properly it would work". The reason communism doesn't work is that it is anti to natural human desires - desires such as being free to do pretty much what one likes and the ability to be rewarded for work. Communism grants neither.

DVTimes 06-05-2005 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
Ha Ha Ha.

China (and old USSR) was only communism by name. They are not real communist countries, and do not really help people.

Cuba is about helping people.

I would bet that there are a vast amount of people who die of poverty in both UK and USA.

By the way, I think you will find that many millions have been killed over the years in wars that were not by communist countries.

(Most started by the USA).

project_naughty 06-05-2005 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
So your argument for not going down Cuba's system is that you will not make money from porn.

I tell you right now, I would give up porn in a second, if I was given a free house, and free heath and education. No stress.

The only reason I do porn is to give myself the quality of life that those in Cuba have.

Absolutely unbelievable. What a dipshit.

DVTimes 06-05-2005 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by project_naughty
Dipshit. That's the standard communist apologetic - "if only communism were practiced properly it would work". The reason communism doesn't work is that it is anti to natural human desires - desires such as being free to do pretty much what one likes and the ability to be rewarded for work. Communism grants neither.

But it does work in Cuba.

project_naughty 06-05-2005 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
By the way, I think you will find that many millions have been killed over the years in wars that were not by communist countries.

(Most started by the USA).

Dipshit. Back that argument up.

Dirty Dane 06-05-2005 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
Hate to tell you this, but Cuba does work.

In fact, you could say it works better than that of the UK, or USA or indeed any other western country.

And if you think I am wrong, name one country that everybody has a house, free education (including university), free heath care (at Cuba's level).

We have it and it works.
Maybe not everyone use it, but everyone are offered it and have the opportunity if they choose and can. The only thing that suck is that we pay 51% tax, but if you can live better on your 49% than what we call minimum standard, then everything is fine.
Unfortunately many economies are based on the combination capitalism/greed, and not capitalism/responsibility. Thats why most western countries fail with their so-called welfare systems. I guess the scandinavian countries are exempt from the norm.

DVTimes 06-05-2005 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by project_naughty
Absolutely unbelievable. What a dipshit.

Well that's a clearly an educated argument. Maybe you should get a flight to Cuba and take advantage of there excellent and free education system.

BRISK 06-05-2005 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
I tell you right now, I would give up porn in a second, if I was given a free house, and free heath and education. No stress.

You sound amazingly lazy. You want everything given to you without having to earn it?

Personally, I like meritocracy. :2 cents:

project_naughty 06-05-2005 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
But it does work in Cuba.

What a brainless twat. Cubans live in poverty and misery. So much so that as many as possible of them try to escape to Florida each year.

project_naughty 06-05-2005 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRISK
You sound amazingly lazy. You want everything given to you without having to earn it?

Personally, I like meritocracy. :2 cents:

:thumbsup

project_naughty 06-05-2005 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
Well that's a clearly an educated argument. Maybe you should get a flight to Cuba and take advantage of there excellent and free education system.

What an utter 13 year old dipshit you are.

DVTimes 06-05-2005 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by project_naughty
What a brainless twat. Cubans live in poverty and misery. So much so that as many as possible of them try to escape to Florida each year.

Do they!!!!


Why, because thats what you have been fed on your TV's.

klinton 06-05-2005 06:05 AM

Oliver's movies and himself rox :)

wjxxx 06-05-2005 06:06 AM

Get a clue http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog/COUBLA.html

DVTimes 06-05-2005 06:13 AM

Statement from me;

Your all right. Cuba does not work, that DVD must have been a fake. All the Cubans in in were not really having fun. Cuban's do not have the best heath care in the world, and the UN must have lied about that. The Cubans do not have a fantastic education system (even though its been recognised as have being).

No you are right, Cuba sucks. All my friends are stupid and got it wrong. The people they stayed with were all faking being happy.

All those politicians in the UK including Red Ken the current Lord Mayor of London are wrong.

Its also wrong that all those Cubans have free homes. Much better to have homeless (as in the UK and USA).

Just seems odd that Castro is loved by his people, and that he has no security to protect him as he does not need it. Strange that in both the USA and UK the leaders have security around them.

Hope your happy now.

Nydahl 06-05-2005 06:15 AM

or watch "shake the dog " maybe you finaly wake up then

DVTimes 06-05-2005 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BRISK
You sound amazingly lazy. You want everything given to you without having to earn it?

Personally, I like meritocracy. :2 cents:


And what do you do for a living? I take it you get up at 5am and work will 11pm in a coal mine?

What was that? You sit all day by your PC and view porn. Hell you do work hard.

By the way, who says those in Cuba do not earn it?

They work for the country and not for themselves.

BlueDesignStudios 06-05-2005 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanuk
He is now the longest serving leader of any country in the world.

not a bad little achievement :pimp


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