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VeriSexy 08-16-2005 07:31 AM

Why the hell does China have cheap gas???
 
They are buying gas from around the world and they are still able to sell it the cheapest. Canada gets oil from Alberta and it's still more expensive!!! WTF!!!

44 US cents per litre is damn cheap!!!!!!!!!! That's like $1.80 per gallon


"Sources from the Beijing oil branch of Sinopec, Asia's largest oil refiner, said the retail 90-octane gasoline price in the capital city rose 0.25 yuan (3 US cents) per litre to 3.67 yuan (44 US cents) per litre. Price hikes for other types of retail gasoline also averaged 0.25 yuan (3 US cents) per litre."

http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/englis...ent_427865.htm

wjxxx 08-16-2005 07:33 AM

low taxes

VeriSexy 08-16-2005 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by wjxxx
low taxes


Low taxes mean they can pay half of what we are paying??? :helpme

JuiceMonkey 08-16-2005 07:36 AM

yeah we have a ton of gas tax here..
the natives get hooked up
I'm still trying to get a counterfit id

BRISK 08-16-2005 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by VeriSexy
Low taxes mean they can pay half of what we are paying??? :helpme

In some countries taxes make up 75% of the price you pay at the pump

dynastoned 08-16-2005 07:43 AM

half of china drives around in hybrid cars.

grumpy 08-16-2005 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by VeriSexy
Low taxes mean they can pay half of what we are paying??? :helpme


http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/brochure...mer/primer.htm

almost 40% is taxes

EroticySteve 08-16-2005 07:50 AM

Can anything be done? It's hard to imagine that a whole nation of drivers can't make a stand against these prices. This is simply ridiculous. We're paying over a dollar more per gallon than we should be paying.

hmmwv 08-16-2005 07:50 AM

i think we (germany) have quiet over 60% taxes :mad:

Rinaldo 08-16-2005 07:51 AM

Yup taxes. My uncle owns 4 gas stations, he makes about 3-4 cents a gallon but after expenses and such makes a little more than a cent.

It's a tough business... that's why they charge you up the ass for a coke inside.

Fletch XXX 08-16-2005 07:52 AM

we pay more than anyone else in the United STates here in california.

I guess its because we have more strict regulations on gas and emissions.

here your car must pass smog tests and prove that it does not produce over a certain amount of fumes.

too bad the rest of the world doesnt give a shit.

we have to pay for better gas while the rest of the country simply uses the cheap stuff and fucks up our planet even more.

Quote:

he State of California operates its own reformulated gasoline program with more stringent requirements than Federally-mandated clean gasolines. In addition to the higher cost of cleaner fuel, there is a combined State and local sales and use tax of 7.25 percent on top of an 18.4 cent-per-gallon federal excise tax and an 18.0 cent-per-gallon State excise tax. Refinery margins have also been higher due in large part to price volatility in the region.

California prices are more variable than others because there are relatively few supply sources of its unique blend of gasoline outside the State. California refineries need to be running near their fullest capabilities in order to meet the State= s fuel demands. If more than one of its refineries experiences operating difficulties at the same time, California=s gasoline supply may become very tight and the prices soar. Supplies could be obtained from some Gulf Coast and foreign refineries; however, California=s substantial distance from those refineries is such that any unusual increase in demand or reduction in supply results in a large price response in the market before relief supplies can be delivered. The farther away the necessary relief supplies are, the higher and longer the price spike will be.

California was one of the first states to ban the gasoline additive methyl tertiary butyl ether (MTBE) after it was detected in ground water. Ethanol, a non-petroleum product usually made from corn, is being used in place of MTBE. Gasoline without MTBE is more expensive to produce and requires refineries to change the way they produce and distribute gasoline. Some supply dislocations and price surges occurred in the summer of 2003 as the State moved away from MTBE. Similar problems have also occurred in past fuel transitions.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/neic/brochure...mer/primer.htm

Gas is over 3$ a gallon here, its been close to 3 bucks since the Iraq war and is only climbing.

Will be at 3:50 by the end of the year

GFED 08-16-2005 07:54 AM

i thought this oil war was suppose to keep gas prices DOWN?

andrej_NDC 08-16-2005 07:55 AM

taxes, as said before

Denis_SC 08-16-2005 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by VeriSexy
Low taxes mean they can pay half of what we are paying??? :helpme

Half ? I wish .... It's $ 1.02 / L here :Oh crap

dready 08-16-2005 08:12 AM

http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/

cool1 08-16-2005 08:12 AM

Stop buying gas.
If everyone stopped driving thier cars for a week, wouldn't that drive the price down?
better yet stop driving them for a month and see what happens.

GFED 08-16-2005 08:14 AM

EVERYONE? :1orglaugh

dready 08-16-2005 08:16 AM

We've used it all. Get used to it.

OG LennyT 08-16-2005 08:19 AM

Because they are the world super-power and we arent anymore.

blazin 08-16-2005 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
we have to pay for better gas while the rest of the country simply uses the cheap stuff and fucks up our planet even more.

My guess is that the USA is the biggest polluter on the planet

latinasojourn 08-16-2005 10:19 AM

for a chinaman it ain't cheap.

energy is marketed not so much based on production costs, but on what the market will bear.

for example, natural gas is basically free, but is priced differently all over the world.

Fletch XXX 08-16-2005 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by blazin
My guess is that the USA is the biggest polluter on the planet

I have no doubt about that.

america is a disgusting place.

chowda 08-16-2005 10:26 AM

Because they want people to buy cars and to keep spending.

Traffic is fucken insane in the big cities, yet there are no laws and rules to outlaw or curtail any decrease in consumption of cars and gas.

Cars helps the chinese economy, buy cars, use our gas.

chowda 08-16-2005 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blazin
My guess is that the USA is the biggest polluter on the planet

for the time being, they are. But its how they pollute that differs.

You dont get much sass back in china, where smog literally clouds the sunrise. But in the states, they have watch dogs for this kind of thing, so the companies do night pollution or find other means of hiding their pollutants

OG LennyT 08-16-2005 10:56 AM

Quote:

My guess is that the USA is the biggest polluter on the planet
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
I have no doubt about that.

america is a disgusting place.


Youve obviously never been to the far East. Korea is a cessepool. :error

Mr. Soul 08-16-2005 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by dynastoned
half of china drives around in hybrid cars.


Not true, and in fact the cars they do sell have much lower emission standards than in EU or North America.

Fletch XXX 08-16-2005 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dvd316
Youve obviously never been to the far East. Korea is a cessepool. :error

humans tend to do this wherever they inhabit.

its not bound to country, but i see your point and no I have never been to Far East.

RogerV 08-16-2005 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by EroticySteve
Can anything be done? It's hard to imagine that a whole nation of drivers can't make a stand against these prices. This is simply ridiculous. We're paying over a dollar more per gallon than we should be paying.

Bush family and friends are getting super Rich

RogerV 08-16-2005 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rinaldo
Yup taxes. My uncle owns 4 gas stations, he makes about 3-4 cents a gallon but after expenses and such makes a little more than a cent.

It's a tough business... that's why they charge you up the ass for a coke inside.

that is so true... I never understood how little gas stations make off gas. all the money is in the soda's.

aleck 08-16-2005 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GFED
i thought this oil war was suppose to keep gas prices DOWN?

that would be super-dumb for ones who has friends in TX.

killshot 08-16-2005 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
we pay more than anyone else in the United STates here in california.

We pay more than CA in Hawaii :)

Mr. Soul 08-16-2005 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX
I have no doubt about that.

america is a disgusting place.

By far the largest polluter. In fact, the US military alone pollutes more than any other country besides China. What are you going to do though right? I don't think they'd get too far with hybrid tanks and solar powered stealth bombers.

China may catch up sooner than later anyway, they burn tons of dirty coal.

blazin 08-16-2005 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dvd316
Youve obviously never been to the far East. Korea is a cessepool. :error

I doubt it pollutes more than the USA.. Anyway South Korea is a practically a US colony. :1orglaugh

sixxxthsense 08-16-2005 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VeriSexy
Low taxes mean they can pay half of what we are paying??? :helpme

half of oil price is tax duuuuuhhh

dready 08-16-2005 12:14 PM

For the first time in history, the supply of oil is less than demand. It's a very simple concept called peak oil that you'd do well to understand rather than bitch.

AmateurFlix 08-16-2005 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dready
For the first time in history, the supply of oil is less than demand. It's a very simple concept called peak oil that you'd do well to understand rather than bitch.

A good part of the reason for that is Bush is using tax money to buy alot of the available oil for the US energy reserves. All for "national security" of course, has nothing to do with he, his family and friends being in the oil business.

Drive all the high mileage gas sipping econoboxes you want, he'll just keep 'adjusting' the market to drive the prices higher.

latinasojourn 08-16-2005 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chowda
for the time being, they are. But its how they pollute that differs.

You dont get much sass back in china, where smog literally clouds the sunrise. But in the states, they have watch dogs for this kind of thing, so the companies do night pollution or find other means of hiding their pollutants


haha, if you think the USA is the biggest polluter you have not seen much of the world.

if you did a chart on pollution related to industrial output the USA might be one of the LOWEST international polluters for a given industrial output or energy use.

usa ain't perfect to be sure, but lots of you kids talk out of your ass. go visit eastern europe, or china.

Linkster 08-16-2005 01:37 PM

After all these posts - I still dont get why everybody thinks the prices in the US are dues to taxes - the US govt puts a tax of 18.4 cents on every gallon - each state then adds their tax which ranges from 7 to 32 cents a gallon extra (and actually California is only 18c so middle of the road) which all totals about 50 cents per gallon. More importantly - this hasnt changed in the last two years, so it is not the cause of any differences we see today. Brings it all back to supply and demand - during the oil crisis we had back in the 70s, we approached the issue by demanding that auto companies stop selling the gas guzzlers and rationing gas - you could only buy it on certain days dependent on your license plate number or last name etc. (different by state). And a lot of people decided to do something called car-pooling - thats where all these extra lanes on the highway for two or more passengers came from. (HOV etc)
The biggest problem that we have in the US right now is that a good percentage of people dont give a shit one way or the other what they are doing to the price of gas by driving their SUVs and other "toys". If they would take time out to "care" (I know - not gonna happen in this apethetic me,me,me society in the US) and stop their whining - they could actually do something about the price - lower the demand.

OG LennyT 08-16-2005 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blazin
I doubt it pollutes more than the USA.. Anyway South Korea is a practically a US colony. :1orglaugh

Youve obviously never been there either :1orglaugh

chowda 08-16-2005 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by latinasojourn
haha, if you think the USA is the biggest polluter you have not seen much of the world.

if you did a chart on pollution related to industrial output the USA might be one of the LOWEST international polluters for a given industrial output or energy use.

usa ain't perfect to be sure, but lots of you kids talk out of your ass. go visit eastern europe, or china.

site your source.

Im sure you can justify why usa doesnt need to be in the kyoto agreement as well.


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