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acehigh 10-06-2008 03:52 PM

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danayster 10-06-2008 03:56 PM

Any thoughts from some of the Vets on here regarding this thread?

WiredGuy 10-06-2008 04:01 PM

Seek legal and accounting counsel.
WG

jakethedog 10-06-2008 04:05 PM

I'm down ;) .. but of course seeking legal and accounting advice

contact me acehigh.. good timing actually .

seeric 10-06-2008 04:09 PM

i predict 3 pages.

L-Pink 10-06-2008 04:12 PM

"Legally never pay taxes again" This will be good .......

danayster 10-06-2008 04:13 PM

I made the mistake of bringing up the word "offshore" to my accountant and he of course strongly tried to persued me to stay away. He's a big goody two shoes!

TheDoc 10-06-2008 04:21 PM

Americans that stay in the Country and own a Company now can't just move the assets out of the Country, that's not legal. If you do setup an off shore Company and wish to avoid U.S. taxes, most of your company/staff/assets have to move off shore too. Otherwise, you avoid nothing. If this is for legal reasons and you live in the Country, host, register, ect, this protects nothing.

Americans are boned, if you want out, move, and file your papers for under $80k a year to stay safe or expatriate and stop paying taxes and give up your citizenship.

StarkReality 10-06-2008 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danayster (Post 14861813)
Any thoughts from some of the Vets on here regarding this thread?

Seeking legal and accounting counsel is certainly a good idea. It sounds great and tempting, but there are always two problems:

1. There are nominees to front for you who are in control of your money. Remember, officially it's not you running the company and it's not your money. If things go wrong, you are fucked.
2. Offshore banking jurisdiction doesn't always mean that you are excluded from US jurisdiction if they ever find out and go after you for evading taxes, since in reality you are operating the business from the US.

It's not all illegal or shady in general, I just prefer paying my taxes, knowing it can't end in some serious clusterfuck beyond my control. Greed kills brain, but it could kill your business as well.

The only really good option is to MOVE offshore, physically.

fusionx 10-06-2008 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarkReality (Post 14861924)
Seeking legal and accounting counsel is certainly a good idea. It sounds great and tempting, but there are always two problems:

1. There are nominees to front for you who are in control of your money. Remember, officially it's not you running the company and it's not your money. If things go wrong, you are fucked..

They don't need to have access to your bank accounts, and the bank accounts do not always have to be in the company's name. You can file documents to accept payments on their behalf. The nominee part should not be a problem if you use a competent attorney to incorporate.

acehigh 10-07-2008 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fusionx (Post 14861940)
They don't need to have access to your bank accounts, and the bank accounts do not always have to be in the company's name. You can file documents to accept payments on their behalf. The nominee part should not be a problem if you use a competent attorney to incorporate.

Most WONT even have access to your bank accounts, at least the ones we are working with. The papers and everything else will be shipped to the address YOU specify, which means nobody else would've access to them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jakethedog (Post 14861940)
I'm down ;) .. but of course seeking legal and accounting advice

contact me acehigh.. good timing actually .

Adding to ICQ :)

Thanks to everybody else who already did contact us, we are looking forward to assist you! In case of any questions, or information, don't hesitate to contact us by phone, email, skype or icq!

pornjudge 10-07-2008 02:06 AM

I like to have an offshore account where they have little monkeys roaming around, is that possible?

DarkJedi 10-07-2008 02:13 AM

which banks can you open an account at?

acehigh 10-07-2008 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pornjudge (Post 14863252)
I like to have an offshore account where they have little monkeys roaming around, is that possible?

You might want to go for a Dominica setup. You can read more information here:
http://www.offshoreprivacy.org/Domin...teBanking.html

DarkJedi 10-07-2008 02:15 AM

website doesn't load, by the way

http://www.offshoreprivacy.org

Jens Van Assterdam 10-07-2008 02:17 AM

Website works here..

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450EUR... sure thing!

riddler 10-07-2008 03:58 AM

yeah this doesnt sound like a sting operation or a scam waiting to happen, no sir not at all

acehigh 10-07-2008 04:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by riddler (Post 14863408)
yeah this doesnt sound like a sting operation or a scam waiting to happen, no sir not at all

You might want to check out our reputation at places where we are already active for a couple of years.. example TalkGold and so on.
Just check our domain registration to see we are active for over a longer time and references over there before you make such a post.

We don't force you to do business with us, we just offer you the opportunity to lower your costs in a legal fashion.

In case of any questions or advice, don't hesitate to contact us!

Pleasurepays 10-07-2008 04:16 AM

even bothering to reply to a thread like this in a serious manner or taking this guy seriously in any way, just shows how fucking moronic, immature and self destructive people on this board are.

riddler 10-07-2008 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acehigh (Post 14863421)
You might want to check out our reputation at places where we are already active for a couple of years.. example TalkGold and so on.
Just check our domain registration to see we are active for over a longer time and references over there before you make such a post.

We don't force you to do business with us, we just offer you the opportunity to lower your costs in a legal fashion.

In case of any questions or advice, don't hesitate to contact us!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

CunningStunt 10-07-2008 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 14863446)
even bothering to reply to a thread like this in a serious manner or taking this guy seriously in any way, just shows how fucking moronic, immature and self destructive people on this board are.

Yeah, you're much more of a beliveable character:

Quote:

Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: I am giving my dog a prostate massage.
Posts: 9,777
Of course his post is mostly founded on nonsense. However, there's a shred of truth in the tax minimisation for those smart enough though :winkwink:

Mr. Cool Ice 10-07-2008 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 14863446)
even bothering to reply to a thread like this in a serious manner or taking this guy seriously in any way, just shows how fucking moronic, immature and self destructive people on this board are.

While I would not bite from a GFY thread, the idea of what is going on is solid so long as you do your due diligence.

I personally know many millionaires who operate in this manner and pay jack shit for taxes and have been doing so for many years. They all however MOVED OUT of the USA. Also if you can earn income from another country / source outside of the USA this would also be of benefit to someone. But just trying to hide your USA earned money while you live IN the USA is just asking for trouble.

acehigh 10-07-2008 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt (Post 14863462)
Yeah, you're much more of a beliveable character:



Of course his post is mostly founded on nonsense. However, there's a shred of truth in the tax minimisation for those smart enough though :winkwink:


Well last respond we would like to make regarding our '' trustworthy '', feel free to check: http://www.talkgold.com/forum/f22-.html (a reputable forum in this business area) in where we operate mainly.

We just felt it could be a good addition for people in this business to think about an offshore setup for them, which was the reason we opened this post.

In case of no interest, rather don't reply then reply with nonsense so we can keep this thread clean for them seriously interested..

acehigh 10-07-2008 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Cool Ice (Post 14863466)
While I would not bite from a GFY thread, the idea of what is going on is solid so long as you do your due diligence.

I personally know many millionaires who operate in this manner and pay jack shit for taxes and have been doing so for many years. They all however MOVED OUT of the USA. Also if you can earn income from another country / source outside of the USA this would also be of benefit to someone. But just trying to hide your USA earned money while you live IN the USA is just asking for trouble.

You are correct indeed at this point. However, most business can be setup in a legal way offshore in the end.

Pleasurepays 10-07-2008 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Cool Ice (Post 14863466)
I personally know many millionaires who operate in this manner and pay jack shit for taxes and have been doing so for many years. They all however MOVED OUT of the USA. Also if you can earn income from another country / source outside of the USA this would also be of benefit to someone. But just trying to hide your USA earned money while you live IN the USA is just asking for trouble.

you're missing the point. this area of tax law for US citizens is extremely complicated. thinking that you are going to legally avoid US taxes as a US Citizen because some jackass came to a porn forum and told you where to sign up is retarded and naive.

first and foremost, he would have to be an expert in current US tax law to be able to make such an assertion as the thread title does and have a solution that meets the exact needs of US citizens to be "legal" under the current tax code.

i'm speaking from many years of experience.

what some guy does somewhere means absolutely nothing and certainly doesn't mean he's doing it legally and won't get popped. in fact, he might already be a part of a massive investigation that might conclude 2 years from now and he will get arrested. happens all the time.

Pleasurepays 10-07-2008 06:53 AM

any fucking idiot that goes to his site or relies on his advance/services without consulting a competent tax attorney who specializes in this area of tax law for your own country deserves to be in prison and removed from the gene pool.

jesus man... this is GoFuckYourself.com not "ReliableTaxAdvice.com" and you are going to ponder 20 years in prison and fines that will ruin your life because some idiot said he's got a good idea on a porn forum?

Pleasurepays 10-07-2008 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acehigh (Post 14863519)
You are correct indeed at this point. However, most business can be setup in a legal way offshore in the end.

"can be" - of course.

"can be done to satisfy current tax law, IRS tests and within the budgets of the people you are addressing" - no.

pocketkangaroo 10-07-2008 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acehigh (Post 14863468)
Well last respond we would like to make regarding our '' trustworthy '', feel free to check: http://www.talkgold.com/forum/f22-.html (a reputable forum in this business area) in where we operate mainly.

We just felt it could be a good addition for people in this business to think about an offshore setup for them, which was the reason we opened this post.

In case of no interest, rather don't reply then reply with nonsense so we can keep this thread clean for them seriously interested..

There is a thread on that forum that is from people who say they can't get in touch with you. How you gave them the runaround and stopped responding to e-mails. How you didn't send documents. How you had collected their money and not given them what you said you would.

Then you come in and say you were ripped off by another company that put you out of business.

This thread is from about 5 months ago.

acehigh 10-07-2008 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14863841)
There is a thread on that forum that is from people who say they can't get in touch with you. How you gave them the runaround and stopped responding to e-mails. How you didn't send documents. How you had collected their money and not given them what you said you would.

Then you come in and say you were ripped off by another company that put you out of business.

This thread is from about 5 months ago.

We're aware of this thread, if you read on you figure we resolved this issue.
It's a one time problem we had with a registrar we did business with in the past.
The communication issue was mainly since the guy his in box was filled, which got sorted later on. Both guys received there package and our apologize.

If you read the other threads you will find out that we didn't had such problems after nor before.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 14863779)
"can be" - of course.

"can be done to satisfy current tax law, IRS tests and within the budgets of the people you are addressing" - no.

Well once again, inquiry us if your seriously interested in our help/consult if not start your own thread to flame us.. thanks.

Pleasurepays 10-07-2008 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acehigh (Post 14864131)

Well once again, inquiry us if your seriously interested in our help/consult if not start your own thread to flame us.. thanks.

Flame you?

You are telling US Citizens (among others) that they NEVER have to pay taxes again - "LEGALLY"

how about you pull your fucking head out of your ass and stop trying to fuck people over?

what "consulting" could you possibly offer when you can't even demonstrate that you have the slightest grasp of what you are talking about?

james_clickmemedia 10-07-2008 08:56 AM

Hire a good accountant and pay your taxes and sleep well at night...
Don't pay more than you should, but pay what you should.

dev777 10-07-2008 09:33 AM

haha shady shit....

Mr. Cool Ice 10-07-2008 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 14863759)
you're missing the point. this area of tax law for US citizens is extremely complicated. thinking that you are going to legally avoid US taxes as a US Citizen because some jackass came to a porn forum and told you where to sign up is retarded and naive.

first and foremost, he would have to be an expert in current US tax law to be able to make such an assertion as the thread title does and have a solution that meets the exact needs of US citizens to be "legal" under the current tax code.

i'm speaking from many years of experience.

what some guy does somewhere means absolutely nothing and certainly doesn't mean he's doing it legally and won't get popped. in fact, he might already be a part of a massive investigation that might conclude 2 years from now and he will get arrested. happens all the time.

I'm not saying you don't understand what you are talking about, but it is very easy to set this sort of thing up. Almost too easy (and cheap to set up) if you put in the effort to learn about it. It is not complicated at all. Well, maybe for most GFY minds it is but if you have 1/2 a brain it's not.

Mr. Cool Ice 10-07-2008 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by james_clickmemedia (Post 14864186)
Hire a good accountant and pay your taxes and sleep well at night...
Don't pay more than you should, but pay what you should.

Just curious why you think everyone should pay what they should? What is the system doing for you/us right now that warrants our money?

TheDoc 10-07-2008 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Cool Ice (Post 14864554)
I'm not saying you don't understand what you are talking about, but it is very easy to set this sort of thing up. Almost too easy (and cheap to set up) if you put in the effort to learn about it. It is not complicated at all. Well, maybe for most GFY minds it is but if you have 1/2 a brain it's not.

Yeppers, that's why some of the richest most powerful people in the world are going down for exactly this. Under our tax code and laws, it is not legal to do this in about 100 different directions.

It is legal for American Corps to open off shore companies, bank accounts, ect. But not in the method talked about above. You faking you own something, making your company/assets fund it, transferring assets to it without paying you and paying tax on it, all of that and much much more is illegal.

I have done my fact checking, and this is why some of the richest, baddest ass, most protected people in the World and in this Country are going down hard for this.

If you want to do it legal, get up, get on a plane and setup a Corporation in another location. Wait until it's setup, then loan it money on your books how it should be or give it the money yourself. Now if it builds up enough money it can buy your assets, legally.

Now, asset protection is a different story. However you don't need an offshore corp to do that. You can do it in Nevada and your own Corps can take leans against personal assets. Simply pay yourself more on the books than you take, creating a dept the Company can't pay, taking a lean against your house. Now that lean has to be paid off before any other lean, and since you own the lean it will never be paid off.


If you get a good tax man and do your money correct, you pay almost no tax as a Corporation. It may be harder, more work, and a pain in the ass. But American Corps pay less "real tax" than almost any other Country in the world.

acehigh 10-07-2008 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14861922)
Americans that stay in the Country and own a Company now can't just move the assets out of the Country, that's not legal. If you do setup an off shore Company and wish to avoid U.S. taxes, most of your company/staff/assets have to move off shore too. Otherwise, you avoid nothing. If this is for legal reasons and you live in the Country, host, register, ect, this protects nothing.

Americans are boned, if you want out, move, and file your papers for under $80k a year to stay safe or expatriate and stop paying taxes and give up your citizenship.

There is actually a very popular offshore structure designed for North Americans in order to "minimize" taxes and safe guard assets, it uses a Panama Foundation owing a Belize IBC or corporation. The legal point here is that the foundation does not have "owners" only "beneficiaries" the result of which is the corporation and bank account opened by the foundation do not need to be reported to the Gov't since you are not the "owner" or "beneficial owner".

The foundation and/or the IBC can own assets and generate income that is tax free ;-)

danayster 10-07-2008 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14864646)

If you get a good tax man and do your money correct, you pay almost no tax as a Corporation. It may be harder, more work, and a pain in the ass. But American Corps pay less "real tax" than almost any other Country in the world.

This is the sad part, I know for a fact most profitable (1 man run) corporation setups out there pay even less tax than the average middle class worker. Something is screwed up with our system.

acehigh 10-07-2008 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davey Jones (Post 14863261)
which banks can you open an account at?

Offshore/Onshore banking jurisdictions:

* Cyprus
* Belize
* Panama
* North Cyprus (non-MLAT)
* Antigua
* Cap Verde (non-MLAT)
* Dominica
* Isle of Man
* Jersey
* Germany (PayPal compatible)
* Austria (PayPal compatible)
* Switzerland (PayPal compatible)
* Ireland (PayPal compatible)
* Liechtenstein
* Tanzania

TheDoc 10-07-2008 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acehigh (Post 14864728)
There is actually a very popular offshore structure designed for North Americans in order to "minimize" taxes and safe guard assets, it uses a Panama Foundation owing a Belize IBC or corporation. The legal point here is that the foundation does not have "owners" only "beneficiaries" the result of which is the corporation and bank account opened by the foundation do not need to be reported to the Gov't since you are not the "owner" or "beneficial owner".

The foundation and/or the IBC can own assets and generate income that is tax free ;-)

Yeppers, I know how it works, in detail. It may be legal to setup like this but it is not legal to move your money or assets to these offshore companies. It is not legal to use your U.S. company to fund/move promote/push, ect and get that Company money without the U.S. Company paying tax on it. - Private held, not owned, or owned by a Monkey - it's illegal.

If you are moving money from a U.S. Corp, to an IBC, to a foundation, which pays you tax free - that is tax evasion. Period.

And people "ARE" going down for this exact setup.

JimmyStephans 10-07-2008 10:55 AM

Mon Oct 6, 3:30 AM ET

Los Angeles (E! Online) - A chained-up, choked-up Hélio Castroneves could barely two-step into federal court today.

After surrendering to federal authorities, the 33-year-old former Indy 500 champ and Dancing With the Stars winner was escorted by U.S. marshals into the Miami courtroom in handcuffs and leg irons.

Visibly shaken, Castroneves pleaded not guilty to one count of conspiracy and six counts of tax evasion. He was allowed to go free after posting $10 million bail and surrendering his passport, and plans on racing in Atlanta over the weekend.

"It's been a long day. It's been an emotional day, obviously," he told reporters. "I am not guilty."

The sentiment was echoed by his lawyer, Mark Seiden who blamed the legal tango on bad bookkeeping.

"Hélio is a superb and accomplished professional racing driver. He is not a tax lawyer nor an accountant," Seiden told E! News.

"He relied upon competent professionals for tax advice, and it's our position that he did nothing wrong and will be vindicated when this is concluded."

Castroneves, who lives in Coral Gables, Fla., was indicted Thursday along with his sister and manager, Katiucia Castroneves, 35, and his Ohio-based lawyer, Alan Miller, 71. The trio was accused of using Seven Promotions, a shell corporation based in Panama, to hide more than $5.5 million in income between 1999 and 2004.

According to prosecutors, Hélio claimed he earned only $200,000 in that period. The feds claim he made $2 million alone in sponsorship deals with a Brazilian import-export company. (View the indictment.)

"Using offshore corporations for the purpose of evading taxes is a crime," says IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman. "This case sends a clear message that the IRS is committed to vigorously enforcing the lax laws and stopping offshore tax evasion."

Kati Castroneves and Miller also turned themselves in Friday, but did not enter a plea. They were ordered released on bail of $2 million and $250,000 respectively.

If convicted on all counts, the three face more than 30 years in prison each.

While Hélio was permitted to attend this weekend's race, he will have to skip an event in Australia later this month due to his travel restrictions.

Castroneves and partner Julianne Hough won the fifth season of ABC's Dancing With the Stars last November, sashaying their way by Melanie "Scary Spice" Brown and Marie Osmond.

He recently returned to Dancing as a special backstage correspondent for Entertainment Tonight.

(Originally published Oct. 3, 2008 at 11:51 a.m. PT.)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20081006/en_tv_eo/32309

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Even with a lawyer involved, two time Indy 500 winner and Dancing with the Stars winner has trouble with IRS about this type of stuff.

Tread very carefully for sure.


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