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BVF 02-24-2009 10:41 AM

I have a $99 chargeback that I can PROVE was fraud. Help me CCbill
 
If I get a chargeback, I check their email address to see if they used the same password and this one did....In the email account, I find the fucking confirmation to the subscription!!!

This fool bought a 6 month membership in NOVEMBER and is just now charging back.....I wonder what I should do with this man because this is bullshit and outright fraud...

BVF 02-24-2009 10:42 AM

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corvette 02-24-2009 10:43 AM

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WarChild 02-24-2009 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF (Post 15543136)
If I get a chargeback, I check their email address to see if they used the same password and this one did....In the email account, I find the fucking confirmation to the subscription!!!

This fool bought a 6 month membership in NOVEMBER and is just now charging back.....I wonder what I should do with this man because this is bullshit and outright fraud...

So in checking charge backs you always go about breaking the law? Brilliant.

Carmine Raguso 02-24-2009 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15543168)
So in checking charge backs you always go about breaking the law? Brilliant.

Priceless :1orglaugh

BVF 02-24-2009 10:51 AM

ok I talked to Corvette and he'll look into it but for the record, I was more venting than expecting anything to be done about it because it's very hard to verify an online purchase anyway....

BVF 02-24-2009 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15543168)
So in checking charge backs you always go about breaking the law? Brilliant.

Show me what law I broke Mr. Brilliance Man The Tico himself. Or should I say "Senor Brilliante"

mhende6600 02-24-2009 10:53 AM

I hate charge backs

Carmine Raguso 02-24-2009 10:54 AM

Quote:

If I get a chargeback, I check their email address to see if they used the same password and this one did....In the email account, I find the fucking confirmation to the subscription!!!
I believe this is breaking the law.

BVF 02-24-2009 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso (Post 15543186)
I believe this is breaking the law.

WHAT law would that be Carmine?

WarChild 02-24-2009 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF (Post 15543181)
Show me what law I broke Mr. Brilliance Man The Tico himself. Or should I say "Senor Brilliante"

Did you or did you not access your customer's email address without his permission using the password he signed up to your site with? You don't actualy think you can legally do that, do you?

Carmine Raguso 02-24-2009 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15543190)
Did you or did you not access your customer's email address without his permission using the password he signed up to your site with? You don't actualy think you can legally do that, do you?

He just doesn't get it :1orglaugh

BVF 02-24-2009 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15543190)
Did you or did you not access your customer's email address without his permission using the password he signed up to your site with? You don't actualy think you can legally do that, do you?

I didn't HACK his email....I already knew the password....It could be an ETHICS violation yes, but I don't give a fuck about ethics when I've been scammed so I really don't give a shit if it's considered wrong or not and who considers it wrong unless they're going to send me the $99.95...Then I'll be all ears and might actually give a fuck or some credence to what one is saying.

Intrinsic 02-24-2009 11:00 AM

not too smart to disclose your method... i wouldn't feel safe on your site

Intrinsic 02-24-2009 11:01 AM

check his myspace, facebook, twitter, and bangbros account too

WarChild 02-24-2009 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF (Post 15543206)
I didn't HACK his email....I already knew the password....It could be an ETHICS violation yes, but I don't give a fuck about ethics when I've been scammed so I really don't give a shit if it's considered wrong or not and who considers it wrong unless they're going to send me the $99.95...Then I'll be all ears and might actually give a fuck or some credence to what one is saying.

It doesn't matter if you "hack" his email or know the password. You are not authorized to access his email and I'm pretty sure that's illegal.

It's like if I broke in to your house to look around and claimed that I didn't actually "break in" because I knew you left the key under the mat. :2 cents:

BVF 02-24-2009 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15543214)
It doesn't matter if you "hack" his email or know the password. You are not authorized to access his email and I'm pretty sure that's illegal.

It's like if I broke in to your house to look around and claimed that I didn't actually "break in" because I knew you left the key under the mat. :2 cents:

If he had a key, he couldn't be charged with breaking and entering.......The most he could get is unlawful entry or burglary if something was taken....But since he didn't BREAK anything, there is no charge.

And yes, I have checked myspace accounts also....

If anyone here doesn't like it, don't promote me and don't sign up to my site and chargeback....

GatorB 02-24-2009 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF (Post 15543206)
I didn't HACK his email....I already knew the password....It could be an ETHICS violation yes, but I don't give a fuck about ethics when I've been scammed so I really don't give a shit if it's considered wrong or not and who considers it wrong unless they're going to send me the $99.95...Then I'll be all ears and might actually give a fuck or some credence to what one is saying.

So if I leave my front door unlock that means you can enter my house? That's still against the law.

Wolfy 02-24-2009 11:04 AM

I'd love to see some actual laws pertaining to this one.

Is it against the law to check someone else's email? Which law?

WarChild 02-24-2009 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF (Post 15543220)
If he had a key, he couldn't be charged with breaking and entering....

And yes, I have checked myspace accounts also....

If anyone here doesn't like it, don't promote me and don't sign up to my site and chargeback....

I'm telling you it's illegal for you to do what you're doing not because I give a shit but because you might not want to be admiting to that kind of thing on public message boards.

If you don't believe me google your state name and "unauthorized email access".

Hey, they guy fucked you over so personally I say get him. I'm just trying to help you cover your own ass.

Carmine Raguso 02-24-2009 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF (Post 15543220)
If he had a key, he couldn't be charged with breaking and entering....

And yes, I have checked myspace accounts also....

If anyone here doesn't like it, don't promote me and don't sign up to my site and chargeback....

You sound a like a broke douche. :2 cents:

You accessing someone else's email account without there consent is against the law. No matter what way you try and spin it. The fact that you did in fact "guess" his password (may it be with inside information or not), you indeed violated his personal property without consent.

Just because a brute force attack guessed right on the first try does not mean that the brute force did not occur.

GatorB 02-24-2009 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfy (Post 15543229)
I'd love to see some actual laws pertaining to this one.

Is it against the law to check someone else's email? Which law?

Here's a simple answer. How would you feel and what would you do if I got into your e-mail account?

JayDeeZee 02-24-2009 11:06 AM

Did you find anything else of interest while going through his personal emails?

WarChild 02-24-2009 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfy (Post 15543229)
I'd love to see some actual laws pertaining to this one.

Is it against the law to check someone else's email? Which law?

So in your mind it's cool for me to hack your email? No problem there, you don't think that's illegal?

BVF 02-24-2009 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolfy (Post 15543229)
I'd love to see some actual laws pertaining to this one.

Is it against the law to check someone else's email? Which law?

I'd like to know that also, even though I don't give a fuck if I broke a law or not.

BVF 02-24-2009 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15543245)
So in your mind it's cool for me to hack your email? No problem there, you don't think that's illegal?

If I signed up to your site, charged back $100 dollars, and used the same email password, then I DESERVE to get my email looked into....Keep in mind, I looked into it just so I could find the confirmation email which I did...I HAVE hacked myspace accounts before with passwords from fraudulent customers and don't give two shits about it.

And I don't give a fuck about what I THINK is Illegal....I only give a fuck about what I can be caught and prosecuted for....

GatorB 02-24-2009 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF (Post 15543220)
If he had a key, he couldn't be charged with breaking and entering.......

yes he could. I have a key to a friend house. Now let's say we get on the outs and he wnts his key back and before I give it back I make a copy. Now I still have a key so that means I can continue to go into his house without permission? hardly.

BVF 02-24-2009 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 15543255)
yes he could. I have a key to a friend house. Now let's say we get on the outs and he wnts his key back and before I give it back I make a copy. Now I still have a key so that means I can continue to go into his house without permission? hardly.

Asking for it back and not getting it is different from leaving the door unlocked for some stranger to wander into....You know it and I know it....So come up with whatever scenario you need to make your point and to make you feel better about it....I personally DON'T GIVE A FUCK.

GatorB 02-24-2009 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BVF (Post 15543254)
If I signed up to your site, charged back $100 dollars, and used the same email password, then I DESERVE to get my email looked into....

And I don't give a fuck about what I THINK is Illegal....I only give a fuck about what I can be caught and prosecuted for....

some people think blacks still deserve to be slaves.

webmasterchecks 02-24-2009 11:10 AM

not sure if any law was broken here, possibly the terms of use for the email provider, ie gmail/hotmail, but even if they were aware of this happening, it seems unlikely that they would give this transgression much weight

my :2cents

WarChild 02-24-2009 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF (Post 15543220)
If he had a key, he couldn't be charged with breaking and entering.......The most he could get is unlawful entry or burglary if something was taken....But since he didn't BREAK anything, there is no charge.

No, this is completely wrong. The act of opening the door its self is "breaking". It's called a legal fiction and it's kind of goofy but in _most_ States that's the law.

If you take a key from under a mat, use it to open a door without permission, you are breaking and entering.

Some states do have "Unlawful Entry" as well. Usually this is walking in through an open door, or for instance a Landlord with a lawful key entering your property unlawfully. Although in some cases the last example will also be breaking and entering.

BVF 02-24-2009 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 15543263)
some people think blacks still deserve to be slaves.

What people THINK and what IS are two different things...I don't give two fucks if you want slavery back as it doesn't affect me...

Anything else?

BVF 02-24-2009 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by WarChild (Post 15543269)
No, this is completely wrong. The act of opening the door its self is "breaking". It's called a legal fiction and it's kind of goofy but in _most_ States that's the law.

If you take a key from under a mat, use it to open a door without permission, you are breaking and entering.

Some states do have "Unlawful Entry" as well. Usually this is walking in through an open door, or for instance a Landlord with a lawful key entering your property unlawfully. Although in some cases the last example will also be breaking and entering.

ok....Now after that paragraph, ask me if I really give a shit... :2 cents:

james_clickmemedia 02-24-2009 11:13 AM

I feel your pain. When I check the cb's we get and all the proof we send to the merchant bank that the charge was valid it's crazy they still just let them walk away from the charges.

Karen Kougar 02-24-2009 11:15 AM

It's a federal crime. USC 2701: Unlawful access to stored communications.

(a) Offense.— Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section whoever—
(1) intentionally accesses without authorization a facility through which an electronic communication service is provided; or
(2) intentionally exceeds an authorization to access that facility;
and thereby obtains, alters, or prevents authorized access to a wire or electronic communication while it is in electronic storage in such system shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this section.
(b) Punishment.— The punishment for an offense under subsection (a) of this section is—
(1) if the offense is committed for purposes of commercial advantage, malicious destruction or damage, or private commercial gain, or in furtherance of any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or any State—
(A) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or both, in the case of a first offense under this subparagraph; and
(B) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both, for any subsequent offense under this subparagraph; and
(2) in any other case—
(A) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 1 year or both, in the case of a first offense under this paragraph; and
(B) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or both, in the case of an offense under this subparagraph that occurs after a conviction of another offense under this section.

BVF 02-24-2009 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Karen Kougar (Post 15543292)
It's a federal crime. USC 2701: Unlawful access to stored communications.

(a) Offense.? Except as provided in subsection (c) of this section whoever?
(1) intentionally accesses without authorization a facility through which an electronic communication service is provided; or
(2) intentionally exceeds an authorization to access that facility;
and thereby obtains, alters, or prevents authorized access to a wire or electronic communication while it is in electronic storage in such system shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this section.
(b) Punishment.? The punishment for an offense under subsection (a) of this section is?
(1) if the offense is committed for purposes of commercial advantage, malicious destruction or damage, or private commercial gain, or in furtherance of any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or any State?
(A) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or both, in the case of a first offense under this subparagraph; and
(B) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 10 years, or both, for any subsequent offense under this subparagraph; and
(2) in any other case?
(A) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 1 year or both, in the case of a first offense under this paragraph; and
(B) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or both, in the case of an offense under this subparagraph that occurs after a conviction of another offense under this section.

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I STILL don't give a shit and I will continue to do it.

Karen Kougar 02-24-2009 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF (Post 15543302)
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I STILL don't give a shit and I will continue to do it.

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:1orglaugh

BVF 02-24-2009 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Karen Kougar (Post 15543322)

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GatorB 02-24-2009 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BVF (Post 15543274)
What people THINK and what IS are two different things...

Anything else?

Ok hypocrite

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Originally Posted by BVF (Post 15543254)
And I don't give a fuck about what I THINK is Illegal....I only give a fuck about what I can be caught and prosecuted for....


BVF 02-24-2009 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 15543337)
Ok hypocrite

That's MISTER hypocrite to you.....That's the wonderful power of not giving a flying fuck.....


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