worst month in the last 4 years.
 

this month is my worst month ever. If it goes on like this i can put my college degree to use and be a slave.

...Dayum. that sucks

You still running Cunt Log, or am I mixing you up with someone else?

That's odd, all I'm reading is shit like, "best month ever!" "sales rocking here!" "we're converting like mad!" "no slowdown here!" and so on.

Hmmmm, I wonder who is lying?

I admire the honesty. It sucks man, hope sales will pick up for my fellow Dutchman

best month ever.

The CTO of a large sponsor told me their actual numbers for this year. Down more than 50% in sales. If other programs are anything like these guys, I think we know who's lying.

tube sites

Exactly. The handful of programs I know who tell me straight, are all down at least 30%, some as much as 50%.

I find it hard to believe anyone with a pay site is "rocking" right now. Though, if you just started and have nothing to compare it to, you may think your sales are up.

Fucking Bush. :2 cents:

Any program that says they are doing better than ever other than dating sites and webcam sites are full of shit. Now watch the program owners rush in here saying "our sales are rocking as usual" or "we see a increase in sales and retention". TOTAL FUCKING BULLSHIT. The program owners that do shit like this hoping to get new affiliates should be avoided like a STD. Better to not post in here than to lie and say things are better now than they were a year ago.

Some programs are growing, some programs are shrinking.

Competition and some people's refusal to move their business forward and at least keep up with the times if they can't innovate is hurting them more than tube sites are.

Yeah, well that's what they post before they announce here that their "empires" are for sale.



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Right.

"Everything is great, converting like it's 1999!"

Four months later...

"We are closing the doors to affiliates."

It happens to everyone, man. Keep open minded and build alternatives. Bad times won't catch and beat you down if you are elusive. Build diversity into your business system. Diversify.

Actually no, a company wont hire you after you tell them about your adult work. Your college degree is down the toilet, in fact you'll be cleaning toilets at Mcdonalds.

I agree I'm sure some programs are growing, the ones that are sending massive amounts of traffic to them, sure. If sales are down 50% and you send 3 times the traffic to them you are going to grow, that's simple math. My point is that any program that has the same amount of traffic now that they had 1 or 2 years ago is not growing, no fucking way.

We are in the midst of one of the largest changes that the online adult industry has ever seen, imho. This could be called "trimming of the fat" X10. It's a mix of the global recession, web 2.0, changing media markets, technology and oversaturation.

2010 will be ...interesting.

But running an index and directory, I will say that of the 364 affiliate programs I was a part of in Jan 2009, 49 of those have went bye, bye., as of today. I have never seen so much turnover... ever.

When you say worst, what do you mean? Is traffic down or is ratios down? Each sting just as much, but I'm curious because my ratios are better in December. Much better.

I was about ready to hang myself in October and November. I am looking at Stats Remote right now and across the board in November was 1:1,559 for me.

So far in December its 1:827 but still nowhere near as good as the 1:500'ish I was getting over the summer.

Exactly right. Well said.

Bravo.
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Sorry to hear about that man. Keep you're head up and hopefully things will pick up after the holidays! Hang in there.

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Yes, having the same amount of traffic isn't "growing".

What you're trying to say then is ratios are down. I'm sure for some sites they're down. On the other hand, I'd bet some new sites and sites who are innovating have better ratios than older sites who are hoping that doing the same thing again and again will keep making them money.

It all goes back to innovating and breaking new ground like you are trying to do with your dating project. This industry moves FAST. This industry has only existed for 13-14 years and look how much change it has seen. If you sit still for a few minutes people are going to blow right by you. You can't build something and hope it will make the same or more money forever without you keeping it moving forward.

Look at sites that are growing, vidoesz, brazzers etc etc What have they done in the last year that others have not? Thrown MASSIVE amounts of traffic at their programs. They have grown bigtime, but without the million and millions of extra hits they have sent thier programs this last year would they have grown? Hell no.

In my opinion. program owners will generally say "we are having a great month" or not say anything. Few will admit they are not selling for fear of an affiliate exodus.

Affiliates will generally give a more accurate picture of how they are doing.

:2 cents:

I made 3k more this year than last with beautifulfeetonline.com. I am making digitaldivasonline.com an alpha directory. I am up 4k from last year with that. But I am also redesigning it, starting to market it, etc. I am sure that has a ton to do with it.

But for other webmasters, the economy is really that bad right now. more people than you know, won't even have a christmas next week. sad. My advice would be to just keep building, biding your time.

These times will pass eventually, I just think it will be awhile. 4 years at least. And I do not think that shit, at least in the U.S., has really hit bottom yet. Is anyone watching gold? Or the U.S. currency index? There is some scary shit out there. And scary shit coming down the pipe imho.

You are a traffic seller choker, of course you think the answer is "send more hits".

It isn't, its send quality traffic that is interested in what you are selling, and retain the people who have previously bought from you.

Card limit callbacks, anyone using vouchers like ukash.com yet?

OMFG, I never said the answer is send more traffic, I'm stating facts. Prove me wrong. Show me a program that has the same amount of hits now as they did two years ago and are growing. My post has nothing to do with the fact that I sell traffic, stop trying to find a ulterior motive with my post when there isn't one. For the record the answer is NOT repeat NOT to send more traffic to a sinking program. Change your business model totally. Use your content to promote other products like dating ,webcams,penis pills etc. I DO NOT RECOMEND buying my traffic to send to a paysite thats sinking. That is not the answer.

There you happy? lol

A B C ---- ALWAYS BE CLOSING

I have been busting my ass for over 18 hours a day.

Dec. 17 2009....one day earnings
The money is out there....stop fucking bitching and get to work.
$864.37

http://www.iseekgirls.com/stats/statsremote01.jpg


If that doesn't motivate you then this should...

If Choker's answer was just to slam it with traffic why does he come up with inventive new ideas to maximize things available to people such as dating API's.

Objective opinion, my experience in a small test of his traffic was that it is better used to feed a site than sell shit unless the product is brand new or hot. Even then you are lucky to come out ahead.

Sweet, I'd ask how [promotion methods] but that is just rude. :thumbsup:thumbsup =]

Exactly, slamming a paysite that is not new and/or very different with ANY TRAFFIC is throwing good money after bad money. Find new products to sell and use your content to promote things other than a porn paysite. Content is king, not traffic. If you have content you can use it to advertise much more than porn site memberships. I see so many paysite owners with tons of content still trying to milk the shrinking cow. But then I see other paysite owners that are using their content to sell whatever the surfer will buy, those are the ones that will still be posting on this board in a year. I'm not saying close down your paysite, hell milk it for all you can, and at the same time use your content to sell what surfers ARE buying, not what you try to tell them they must buy. Surfers are refusing to pay for porn in increasing numbers, and it's gonna get worse not better. I got news for a lot of you people, the internet is a CONSUMER DRIVEN market place. This surfer attitude is not the end of our industry, it is the end of guys who think their content is gods gift to the world and refuse to change their models and try different things. On the other hand this surfer attitude closes the door on that old model and opens a new door on a different model. There's still gold in those hills. Sex will always sale a product, to think that the only product it will sell is porn site memberships is so 1999.

FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup

Unless they are creating their own credit card. You could innovate out your ass when over 10 million credit card accounts are closed and god know how many have had all their open credit taken away. It doesn't really wont matter much. And we wont even get into all the other flaws our industry has that doesnt make it the most customer friendly.

nice man, is there any way to share with me sponsor with 65pps and that nice ratio? :winkwink:

Actually...I missed calculated that earning from that particular sponsor.

Instead of 65PPS it was a 100.00 PPS. I easily made over 1000.00 that day.

Nice! That day I made $300..... Would like to know the big sponsor you have there ;) But, I guess it is too stupid to share. And ask :1orglaugh

Please list the 49 that have closed.

I believe your point is that the adult industry as a whole is contracting. Yes, that is true. The adult industry is in a secular decline. It has been for a while, even before tubes. Every year, less and less people pay for porn. Now with the proliferation of tube sites, the free porn effect on surfers has become even more exacerbated. Hence, conversion ratios are worsening.

i like your sexy make over

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