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Paul Markham 11-05-2010 10:21 AM

what turns a $5,000 girl into a $25,000 one?
 
Over the years I must of shot a 1,000 girls in way way or another. And few made it into the top ranks. Most pretty girls were worth 2-3 sets. Some attractive ones 4-6 and very very few 10 or over. I'm talking magazine sales or sales that net $5,000 profit from the day.

As I'm shredding all the old stuff we have on slides I'm coming across a few who really made money.

Helen Hanson was the first real winner I had.

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/0005.jpg

Helen Hanson video

Helen Hanson video We shot content a lot softer in the 80s so the tease was very important.

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/helenhanson.jpg

Sadly I found Helen a week before I went to Thailand on holiday. When I got back a month later she had been shot to death by Joanie Alumn. But I got 3 great sets and 4 great video scenes in and they made me a lot of money. :thumbsup

fallenmuffin 11-05-2010 10:22 AM

Marketing.

Davy 11-05-2010 10:33 AM

Nice girl. I would really not shred the old stuff.

Paul Markham 11-05-2010 10:49 AM

I see so many threads asking if this girl or that girl is good enough for a solo girl site and wonder if she really is. Helen Hanson would of been. Her first two videos revealed a softer side of her and the last two she let rip. Must try and decode those two.

But here's a girl who would of been a blast on video. I didn't shoot any because by the time I got to shoot her the BBFC license thing had closed down my mail order business. She had sexuality in bucket loads and wasn't scared to show it. Isabelle could turn you on with just a look. Felt ten foot tall going out with her on dates.

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/0276.jpg

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/0286.jpg

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/0286_1.jpg

Made it into Barely Legal and the less teen mags. And the leg ones, just for Barefootsies.

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/legsexteen1.jpg

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/legsexteen2.jpg

Bryan G 11-05-2010 11:05 AM

She was shot to death?

TrashyGirl 11-05-2010 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Davy (Post 17675346)
Nice girl. I would really not shred the old stuff.

I agree w/Davy. Vintage porn photos sell at auction houses. (I know yours are on slides and aren't of a vintage collector's desired era yet but...) Your stuff may have some value years from now. Why not sell it to someone to archive it for you.

minicivan 11-05-2010 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17675257)
When I got back a month later she had been shot to death by Joanie Alumn. But I got 3 great sets and 4 great video scenes in and they made me a lot of money. :thumbsup

http://www.cpsconline.com/images/douche_bag1.jpg

mafia_man 11-05-2010 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 17675470)
She was shot to death?

With a camera, very bad phrasing.

AzteK 11-05-2010 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mafia_man (Post 17675704)
With a camera, very bad phrasing.

no shit, shot to death means killed...

ottopottomouse 11-05-2010 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G (Post 17675470)
She was shot to death?

Something 'to death' is English for completely overdone.

Cyandin 11-05-2010 02:42 PM

$20,000 :winkwink:

dirtybaker1331 11-05-2010 02:49 PM

Very interesting choice of words. Shot to death. :) Wait, was she shot though? seriously? Is everybody ok?

chronig 11-05-2010 03:50 PM

This guy is such a fucking kook...can you please give it a rest already old man markham???

You were going over some shit? BULLSHIT! You post that same picture you took in the 80s which holds no relevance in today's market WEEKLY. YES EVERY WEEK. You post it as EXGF material, you post it as whatever the fuck you can think of.

PAUL - YOU'RE LOSING IT!!! Too much LSD or Acid, seriously, your brain is fucking wired.

You post that same dumb cunt that no one gives a shit about because you probably haven't shot a successful model since shooting her back in the 80s. Now STFU already.

thickcash_amo 11-05-2010 05:47 PM

damn those wardrobes crack me up!

Jakez 11-05-2010 05:54 PM

Getting deja vu ITT.

mOrrI 11-05-2010 06:22 PM

Sales pitch?

Vick! 11-05-2010 10:17 PM

wrong thread. nvm

Paul Markham 11-06-2010 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrashyGirl (Post 17675506)
I agree w/Davy. Vintage porn photos sell at auction houses. (I know yours are on slides and aren't of a vintage collector's desired era yet but...) Your stuff may have some value years from now. Why not sell it to someone to archive it for you.

I've tried many many places to sell this stuff and no takers. As for archive it for the future, well if this stuff ever becomes sought after there are millions of slides out there to satisfy any demand. Content of better quality than mine. :winkwink:

All the slides have been digitised so we still have the images.

Paul Markham 11-06-2010 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17675959)
Something 'to death' is English for completely overdone.

Yes it means other photographers had taken all the cream off the top. My job was always about finding new girls. Sometimes great and sometimes just good. Following other photographers in shooting a girl could cost a lot of money.

Hence the saying "Shot to Death."

Some girls did go on to become stars and many quit the business after the initial spell. One of those was Claire Graham. Whose content will follow soon.

Paul Markham 11-06-2010 03:59 AM

Claire Graham had good looks, personality and a lot of sexuality she could convey to the camera. Claire did everything from soft solo to hardcore boy girl and loved it all. She was shot by quite a few photographers before I found her, so "Shot to Death". :winkwink:

But I did get some great videos out of her and went on a very memorable trip with her and a few other girls to Portugal. :thumbsup

Still today for a solo girl site she would rival the very best girls. And that's what this thread is about. Besides marketing what makes a girl good enough to carry a solo girl site beyond the marketing stage. Makes her content good enough to convert and retain? Claire would of no problem.

http://www.astral-blue.com/girls/cla...am_alex003.jpg

And on video absolutely no problem getting a massive orgasm from her.

Claire Graham video

Claire Graham video. That was how Claire orgasmed. With or without the machine. She loved that machine, still got it and Eva's not selling. :winkwink:

http://www.astral-blue.com/girls/cla...am_alex004.jpg

Except for fashion, quality of the image and technology porn has changed little in the last 30 years. Even Ex Gf is just a twist on Readers Wives we were shooting in the 80s.

Major (Tom) 11-06-2010 04:55 AM

1st set of pics looks like jon bennet-ramsey if she were alive, and 30.
ds

ottopottomouse 11-06-2010 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17677064)
Even Ex Gf is just a twist on Readers Wives we were shooting in the 80s.

Pretty fucking twisty twist.

Paul Markham 11-06-2010 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse (Post 17677128)
Pretty fucking twisty twist.

Twistys. Now there's a site making $$$ from 80s style. Someone should tell Shap he's doing it all wrong. LOL

Randy West 11-06-2010 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by chronig (Post 17676213)
This guy is such a fucking kook...can you please give it a rest already old man markham???

You were going over some shit? BULLSHIT! You post that same picture you took in the 80s which holds no relevance in today's market WEEKLY. YES EVERY WEEK. You post it as EXGF material, you post it as whatever the fuck you can think of.

PAUL - YOU'RE LOSING IT!!! Too much LSD or Acid, seriously, your brain is fucking wired.

You post that same dumb cunt that no one gives a shit about because you probably haven't shot a successful model since shooting her back in the 80s. Now STFU already.

Man, show some respect for a veteran of this industry. If it wasn't for "kooks" like this, the industry wouldn't even be close to where it is today. You are talking to a guy that has shot for Mayfair magazine, as well as a host of others.

This guy did more in the 90's and 00's during a 2 minute shit on the toilet than you have done in your entire life.:2 cents:

fris 11-06-2010 07:59 AM

what year was the first pics taken in

SurfDog 11-06-2010 01:51 PM

TrashyGirl is C-U-T-E !

Paul Markham 11-06-2010 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy West (Post 17677307)
Man, show some respect for a veteran of this industry. If it wasn't for "kooks" like this, the industry wouldn't even be close to where it is today. You are talking to a guy that has shot for Mayfair magazine, as well as a host of others.

This guy did more in the 90's and 00's during a 2 minute shit on the toilet than you have done in your entire life.:2 cents:

Thanks for sticking up for an old timer. :thumbsup

No worries about being accused of producing 80s content. People over 35 do buy porn on the Internet and some of them might not be interested in stuff that appeals to 18 year olds. It's a compliment that I was doing this in the 80s and still might in the 10s. :winkwink:

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Originally Posted by fris
what year was the first pics taken in

1988 without checking the model release. I had been doing stuff before then but a raid by the police wiped out a lot of the stuff prior to 1988. :mad:

Paul Markham 11-07-2010 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mOrrI (Post 17676569)
Sales pitch?

Not really a lot of this stuff is not on the content stores and it's more about all the threads asking if a girl is worth a solo girl site. Without a few videos it's impossible to tell.

All the marketing in the world won't make a site with an average girl retain. Even converting requires something on the tour to make the surfer think the girl is really worth a membership. Unless affiliates want to throw traffic at a site that doesn't convert. Conversions ratios are the key to $$$

Paul Markham 11-07-2010 03:24 AM

Susane is on the content stores, so maybe a bit spammy. LOL

We shot a lot of her and only a couple of years ago. Happy doing Solo and 2 girl. We even persuaded her to do boy girl with her boyfriend. She had a great personality, bundles of tease and loves sex. The only thing which held her back was her command of English on camera. Off it was good, on she didn't feel confident enough to talk. But a couple of sites did shoot her for solo girl sites.

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/pmt11.jpg

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/cute1.jpg

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/cute2.jpg

Susane loved the girls.

But not talking on camera.

And DP or anal sex.

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/cast8.jpg

She had all the tease, knew how to work. But that lack of English was always a factor that stopped a lot of her personality coming over and a problem with all girls who don't speak English as a first Language or can't talk to camera. They just become a pretty girl in the end.

Not helping conversions or retention.

Paul Markham 11-08-2010 03:53 AM

Here's some girls who did make it into the top of their trade. They all had something that separated them from the 100s of other girls trying to make it in the business. Today I see tons of pretty girls spammed, rarely any videos of them and that's what sells today. A girl who can make a surfer become a member on pure performance and personality.

These I was lucky enough to get at the beginning of their careers in orn.

Andrea Spinks was one of the last girls I shot in the UK. By the time she got to me Eva and I had made the decision to move to Czech and only shot a handful of sets. :(

http://www.astral-blue.com/girls/andrea.jpg

http://www.astral-blue.com/girls/andrea2.jpg

Claire Margarson I did shoot and did video. She went on to be quite a sensation on porn videos. No surprise really.

Claire Margarson Video

Claire Margarson. In the first one she appears quite innocent and in this one she loses all that and shows how she changed during the day.

http://www.astral-blue.com/girls/cla...garson_005.jpg

http://www.astral-blue.com/girls/cla...garson_008.jpg

More to follow. Need to go eat breakfast. Or is it lunch time yet?

CaptainHowdy 11-08-2010 03:56 AM

Looks like "shaving" it's the answer on those cases...

seeandsee 11-08-2010 04:07 AM

that second is winner!

Altwebdesign 11-08-2010 06:52 AM

by shreading the old stuff do you mean. . . . oh forget it, bad age joke about paul markham :P

Chosen 11-08-2010 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17675257)
Over the years I must of shot a 1,000 girls in way way or another. And few made it into the top ranks. Most pretty girls were worth 2-3 sets. Some attractive ones 4-6 and very very few 10 or over. I'm talking magazine sales or sales that net $5,000 profit from the day.

As I'm shredding all the old stuff we have on slides I'm coming across a few who really made money.

Helen Hanson was the first real winner I had.

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/0005.jpg

Helen Hanson video

Helen Hanson video We shot content a lot softer in the 80s so the tease was very important.

http://www.paulmarkham.com/temp/helenhanson.jpg

Sadly I found Helen a week before I went to Thailand on holiday. When I got back a month later she had been shot to death by Joanie Alumn. But I got 3 great sets and 4 great video scenes in and they made me a lot of money. :thumbsup

She's a Hottie :thumbsup

ArsewithClass 11-08-2010 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17675257)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 17675439)

Both have fab pussies. The hairy pussy has got some braun that makes you wants to touch & stroke her all over, but those puffy lips on the second girl. Wouldnt you want to get your mouth or dick wrapped inside :winkwink:


Nice girls. Just wondering Paul. What kind of lighting do you use? These are older shots, so I suppose there wasnt halogen or metal halide... Im interested to know as I still find I havent got my photos perfect using halogen, metal halide & fluorescent bulbs.

Give me some tips please including the wattage of the bulbs :thumbsup

Paul Markham 11-08-2010 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeandsee (Post 17681441)
that second is winner!

They were all winners. Some didn't last long and some did. Like Andrea Spinks and Susane. All made the guys who shot and promoted them a lot of money. Few shooters can make $5,000 from a days shoot today.

I had it easy, once I crossed the line of learning how to do it and making a profit from shooting content. All I needed to do was find a fresh pretty face. Today you need so much more. Yet;

Today content is churned out on a conveyor belt and much of it is pretty mediocre. And some of the girls have nothing to offer other than a pretty face. Yet when traffic hits a site nothing matters but that sites ability to convert traffic. Our income depends on it, unless you like throwing traffic at a site that doesn't convert.

Marketing is often telling the customer horse meat tastes like prime steak. After a while the consumer gets wise and depends on the strength of the content and not the words. Then a special girl comes into her own.

Think about a site that converted 50% better and retained 50% longer. Special content does that.

Grapesoda 11-08-2010 08:12 AM

johns.... there are no $100 whores, only $100 johns..

Paul Markham 11-08-2010 08:20 AM

Now here's a girl who just turned up ready to fuck the world and thank them for it. Donna Warner had something very special, not looks for sure. But an ability to get a guys dick hard by just enjoying herself.

http://www.astral-blue.com/girls/don...r_kway_012.jpg

Donna Warner and Claire Graham. It's the only sample I can find for now, but shows her eagerness.

http://www.astral-blue.com/girls/don...r_kway_011.jpg

Kway was the prettier one but only did a bit of work. When she climaxed she cooed like a pigeon. Crazy sound.

Yes the girls didn't all shave themselves those days.

Paul Markham 11-08-2010 09:35 AM

I suppose Nici Sterling of all the girls I shot made it to the top most. With an upper crust voice, an appetite for sex, pretty good looks and squirted on orgasm. All it took was brains to make it and she had that.

http://www.astral-blue.com/girls/nici_sterling-002.jpg

Nici Sterling video. She squirted on orgasm and put her hand over her pussy. Didn't realise what a bonus that would of been.

http://www.astral-blue.com/girls/nici_sterling-003.jpg

ArsewithClass 11-08-2010 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ArsewithClass (Post 17681789)
Nice girls. Just wondering Paul. What kind of lighting do you use? These are older shots, so I suppose there wasnt halogen or metal halide... Im interested to know as I still find I havent got my photos perfect using halogen, metal halide & fluorescent bulbs.

Give me some tips please including the wattage of the bulbs :thumbsup

All these photos & still no answer to your lighting Paul... Im serious that I am interested in knowing what you use?


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