MuHAaHAhhaHAHHAhahahA 550

Sorry to hear that. You guys gotta realize that what I wrote in that first post is over a year old. People and companies change within that time.

Yeah you should definately turn first click on. It gives you a higher chance of making sales since the first few clicks determine what a surfer does.

When you setup trades you should contact your trade through ICQ. I know its hard contacting all those people but I think this is the best way to filter out deadbeat trades. They might even agree to a mutual force.

Thanks ZZ

Just thought I'd drop in and let you guys know that after reading this thread about 40 times I've finally got my TGP up.

http://www.lovely-latinas.com - Any critique would be greatly appreciated!

I'd just like to thank everyone who contributed to this thread, especially zz and dynamix, you guys have been a great help.

A quick question, is it possible to get a few pointers regarding what to look for in a trade when using findtrades?

Thanks again ;)

When you find a good trade. Go through that trades toplist to find other sites.

Dunno if anyone is at all interested but I said I would keep you up to date on whats happening with mine, maybe people coming after me can learn from my mistakes.

Anyway, just bought 20k traffic, I know it's only a little but I'm gonna try and start small. Only problem is that I'm only getting about 400 uniques a day which is leading to very small trades. I think I'm going to have to buy another 20k at least to get a steady flow.

ZZ, my trades have been running for about 24 hours but i have only exchanged 20 uniques with even the biggest 2. I currently have 5 active trades. Should I wait a few days before turning off my force or should I start to weed the low prod ones out now? 20 clicks hardly seems enough to get a decent idea of the quality. Should I wait till 100 or more?

Also ZZ if you have any more babe/pornstar type sponsors, leave some links with ref code and I'll sign up under them when I next need to import more galleries, might be a while yet but you muight as well get something back for all the help you have given me and others.

good luck with that

Yep i am the same. I have bought 20k from traffic-out, now i am getting 20 hits/hour from them. I have 20 trades but not much good ones. Everyone now want at least 200/day and its very hard to make good trades.
My problem is that i have very small productivity, only 100%. If you want hit me on ICQ and we can trade 320.890.145

I didn't know you recommended them. In fact, I think the place I picked up their name, it was from someone else. Wasn't intended to blame anyone. I always aprecaite recommendations. Not many people share any information around here. So I would never fault those that do.

I did hear from them a few days after making this post. I don't know waht happened. He informed me he didn't get my emails. I sent them via my gmail email account cause at the time my email server was flakey. VERY flakey. I had also made a post on Comus thumbs forum too but they don't visit there often. But it seems to be a mix up cause they seemed so very helpful when I first contacted them. He's got me the banners he owned me and confirmed he would setup one template for me. That's what I need, to see how it's done. :) Thanks TGP Factory. Once they get that template up, I'll let you all know. I've not been able to log into the site myself, every since the Level3/Cogent battle, I've had trouble with a few sites. I'm going to have to go scream at Time Warner Commercial. They are usually very good with customer service but they claim they can't fix this. BS, they can and need to fix the routing.

hey sickthing he did my tgp its going great when you get your up check it out www.wildsororities.com done by tgp factory

Feel free anyone with a tgp to trade with me click sig, i send up to 300% back in clicks/Productivity!!!

Great thread.

Looks like you have redirects for some countries

bump, will answer questions this week when I get some free time.

Here's a question ZZ, or rather my scenario. I'm kinda on the verge of giving up, i know it hasn't been long but I've done the maths on my site and it seems that when my feeder traffic runs out my trades will all die.

Lets say my feeder traffic elevates me to a situation where I get 1000 uniques from trades daily. When my feeder traffic runs out that is all I will have, 1000 per day. So if I get 200% prod on that, its 2000 clicks. Now, first clicks to galleries takes away half leaving 1000 clicks, 65% go to galleries leaving 350 to go back to trades. That means next day I only get roughly 350 back from trades at 200% prod that 700 clicks, the numbers decrease each day.... my trades will be dead within a week or so.

Now lets say I switch first click to galleries off, so that from the first click theres a 65% skim to galleries. 2000 clicks per day, 65% to galleries leaves me with 700 clicks back to trades, next day 700 back, again trades are decreasing.

All that doesn't even account for surfers lost to cyber space or lost to the 2% skim to choker.

If I have first click to galleries switched off I calculate that I would need 360% prod on incoming traffic from trades just to stay at the same level, and for any kind of growth I would need at least 400%.

If I switch first click to galleries back on, I need a whopping great 600% prod to sustain and 6005+ to grow.

Is 400% possible from incoming trades? Is that the secret, having a really high prod or realistically do you have to keep the feeder traffic coming contantly or have anothe source of traffic?
I notice that your site really does look shit-hot so I imagine that you get decent prod but can you really get 400%+ and keep it there?


Or am I missing something very important?

Don't get me wrong I'm not complaining, your guide is fantastic, and very accruate even a year after it was written. But as you said yourself, traffic trading is the place where people will fail and that is certainly where it gets difficult. (and getting my head round comus was not breeze!)

I did have plans to make my site look better to increase prod, as it's not great, but after doing the maths I decided to put it on hold until I have a lot of spare traffic of my own to feed it. I didn't see the point in developing it any more unless I can get over 400% prod on incoming which seems very high.

You are forgeting that you are getting some bookmarkers during your feeding, but what I did was to turn off the prod boost and crop the thumbs myself, that way I was able to get right around 400% prod from trades. if you would like you can look at my site for stats on a tgp startup.

Good luck

Justin

You missed a key point. Your math would be right if you were trading by uniques only. But its wrong when your trading by productivity.

For example you send one productive user to a trade. The trade will send you one, two or more. These extra uniques will go to other sites where the same thing happens again and again multiplying your visitors. Starting this cycle is the key to traffic trading.

Your saying that when you run out of feeder traffic your site slowly deteriorates. There are three reasons for this.

Your feeder traffic isn't very productive to your trades. Most people only factor in trades that are productive on their end. Thats wrong. People are trading so it should be mutual benefit.

- Only pick trades the same niche as your site.
- Find trades that are similar to your site(thumbsize, content, and niche like I said above).
- Pretend to be the visitor and ask yourself. Would I click on that trades thumbs if I were skimmed there?

Second you need to find a different feeder traffic supply. Its not that its bad. Its just that traffic probably isn't too effective for your site and its trades. The reason why your trades work when theres feeder is probably because you are oversending. But the reason why they die when it runs out is because the traffic isn't productive enough to start the trade cycle above.

Third, fix your own site up. Don't auto thumb do your thumbs manually. Take face shots, reuse the same galleries do an ass shot, reuse the same galleries and then do body parts. This will give your site higher productivity.


Lets sum it up. You need to make your trades mutually beneficial. They are not mutually beneficial that is why your trades slowly die off. Find a more productive traffic supply. Your supply might be good quality but it probably isn't effective for your specific site and trades. Then improve upon your own site.

If you do those three steps. You will probably succeed.

BTW change your skim. If you wanna do first click. Drop it from 65% to 50%. Alot of sites say they want 60% to trade. Well first click usually counts as 10%. So you'll be exactly at 60% skim. Then on the top of your page. The first four to eight thumbs. These will be the best thumbs since comus sorts them. Change them to something like 100% . This will ensure that your best galleries get the clicks that they deserve. When people pass these they can get traded without the risk of profit loss.

I wasn't too clear. What I mean by productive to trades is. When you send people to a trade and that person clicks multiple times. That is considered a productive trade. The trade will then usually pay you back based on the number of times the visitor clicked upto a set number. Such as 200% or whatever they have setup. The next step would be for those two to click on your page and get skimmed to other sites. Doing the cycle over and over.

Using this as an example you can now see how trading by productivity can multiply your sites numbers.

Ah thanks ZZ.... I had a feeling I was doing something wrong with my figures :)

Back to it then no I guess, I think the main problem is my feeder traffic, it's less than 100% productive on my own site so I'm assuming its even less once I have passed it to my trades.

And yes you are very right about me oversending, I'm sending something like between 170% - 300% to my bigger trades!

bump. I guess those two lasts posts of mine fill up the traffic trading part of this tutorial.

ZZ please can you hit me up on icq?

zzgundamnzz,

thank you for the info,
i learned alot from it and from
http://www.comusthumbs.com

I tried to sign up on findtrades.com but kept getting this error:

Enter an index URL that is on your domain.

What does this mean? I've entered all of the info and can't figure out what's wrong

they dont want u on there

its funny how very few changes can make a huge diffrence in productivity. :)

I had a text only TGP.. I am going to change it to thumbs.. but .. a few thumbs on top
got productivity from 50% to 220% :)
wow :)

www.yourdomain.com/index.shtml
www.yourdomain.com/index.php
www.yourdomain.com/index.htm

whichever it is..

Bump for ZZ

changing to thumbs? lol, good luck

It's still giving me that error.

this is the tgp address: http://swollenudders.com/index.shtml
this is the signup address: http://swollenudders.com/cgi-bin/ttt-admin?task=signupForm

Couuld it be the signup address that's giving me errors? I use TTT as my trade script and there is no index for me to point to.

Undisputed1,

Just did yesterday.. cool .. started getting sales :)

Are you using their Quick Signup or the regular account add? Try using the quicksubmit..

http://www.findtrades.com/submit.php

holy shit, stop posting in this thread people

It doesn't matter which one I use. It still doesn't work.

Shut the Fuck Up Noob. Now hopefully you'll flame me. Then I'll flame you back and so on. Invested too much time in this thread to just let it disappear.

Are you putting www. or http:// under domain?

No I didnt. I just tried it and that worked.

lol.... wata long-ass thread indeed

i have never see thread as long as this one... :D

then u have to look in the Fucking Around forum, theres 1,000+ threads there :thumbsup

I'm adding a thumb MGP, who can suggest a good thumb rotator with a 'try before you buy' version?

You can try comus. They have a free version. It was how I got started... didn't have that kind of money back in the day.

comus is looking good... and working goood for me... ;)

Thank u. Wonder if I can use comus with one of those http based TT like zclicks?

yo ZZ!

thanks for writing thi, it opened my eyes to alot of stuff i was curious about and interested in learning. tomorrow i start a 12 hour day of getting my shit started and learning all about comus. thanks again and ill sign up under you if and when i dabble in that niche.

take it easy. what are you making a month now after one year+ of this thread? enough it compensate for all the frustration and newbies you had to put up with?

ZZ, got a few questions for you. You said u started with a MGP and then moved to TGP, how is TGP better?

Now, many trades want to know how much traffic I wanna trade and some want a minimum. Why is that? any thoughts on selecting trades for the first time?

I also noticed that some mention 'trading on a ratio', what does that mean? is it same as trading on productivity?

ZZ, back a few months ago in this thread you said you were planning on updating the tutorial for 2005. It is now 2006 :) Are there any plans for an update or should I just attempt to get started from everything I've read in the thread? What different advice would you give now rather than what you gave in your first post?

This is a old timer!

First of all I want to say what an amazing thread. One of the best I have read so far. :thumbsup

I have a problem with TM3 tradescript. The no referrers are somehow being miscalculated by the script. Also I leave my ratios at 120% is it a good idea to increase and decrease this, depending on trade? Unique trade or Prod trade which is best? ANd can anyone please explain what is a capped trade(unique capped and prod capped), and how do you set the cap in TM3.

Sorry for all the silly questions, but maybe someone with more TM3 experience can answer some of these questions.


My ICQ is 287659352

Well if you look at some of the posts in this thread its practically been made already. Just not put together.