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Slutboat · 12-04-2010, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

let's see here: film and television, set lighting, director of photography, local 728, local 33, nabit, DGA, local 659...single camera and three camera from 1983 till 1999 .. I think I know what the fuck I'm doing and I know why.

so guess it's not really an uniformed statement is it?

yes you are precisely the type of guy that will resist a paradigm shift because you think you know it all.

you remind me of some professional photographers I knew back when digital came along who swore they would never switch away from film...

Grapesoda · 12-04-2010, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slutboat

yes you are precisely the type of guy that will resist a paradigm shift because you think you know it all.

you remind me of some professional photographers I knew back when digital came along who swore they would never switch away from film...

reality check: I produce content, I'm not an artist... you don't think I know what my clients want? btw went digital in june 2001... went tapeless in 2007.... you?

Slutboat · 12-04-2010, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

reality check: I produce content, I'm not an artist... you don't think I know what my clients want?

I know what your clients want because I have shot for some of the same clients... I have heard those same clients just thrilled when I first made the switch to the DSLR "OH my god the quality is amazing""

Shooting video with a still camera is very weird, it takes time to figure out focusing and depth of field and file transcoding and many other factors... Its a big leap in quality and also a big learning curve.

It's a far more manual - less auto - world... And like I say, very few porn shooters have any need or desire to go that route.

For those that dedicate themselves to this new paradigm you will find that you can shoot the same stuff with the same speed and ease - just a quantum leap forward in video picture quality.

Incidentally, this is just a transitional paradigm, soon there will be pro-sumer grade video cameras with all the same capabilities PLUS the features you are used to with your video cameras... so no hurries no worries

Slutboat · 12-04-2010, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bm bradley

: went tapeless in 2007.... you?

went tapeless long prior to tapeless cameras by shooting directly into FCP via firewire...

this clip says it all.
http://vimeo.com/8226948

Grapesoda · 12-04-2010, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slutboat

I know what your clients want because I have shot for some of the same clients... I have heard those same clients just thrilled when I first made the switch to the DSLR "OH my god the quality is amazing""

Shooting video with a still camera is very weird, it takes time to figure out focusing and depth of field and file transcoding and many other factors... Its a big leap in quality and also a big learning curve.

It's a far more manual - less auto - world... And like I say, very few porn shooters have any need or desire to go that route.

For those that dedicate themselves to this new paradigm you will find that you can shoot the same stuff with the same speed and ease - just a quantum leap forward in video picture quality.

Incidentally, this is just a transitional paradigm, soon there will be pro-sumer grade video cameras with all the same capabilities PLUS the features you are used to with your video cameras... so no hurries no worries

yep, no need... and BTW doubt if you shoot for any of my clients or I would know who you are and 2. pretty sure you have no idea what's going on, seriously. not being a dick, just how it is...

billywatson · 12-04-2010, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DirtyDanza

now it crashes... you just lost 15k...

with tape... you have a lifetime archive.....

Back up your stuff!!

And tapes are good for about 5 years, and then they start dropping out. No way are they an archive for life.

tony286 · 12-04-2010, 11:27 AM

Why do good disscusions here have to turn nasty llol everyone likes what they like. I uaed to say my dvx100a from my cold dead hands but 60d blows me away. I do have an advantage when learning the new work flow i can shoot my wifes solo stuff. If i screw it up learning im not out modeling fees.

Buzz · 12-04-2010, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slutboat

the new Canon SLR's (T2i, 7D, 5D MKII) absolutely blow away the XH A1 - night and day better video (if you have the Pro L Series Lenses)

800 bucks on Amazon for a T2i - better video than anything you have ever shot EVER.

However it's not easy to make the transition to shooting video on a SLR camera - there are many variables and things you will need to learn about focusing, file formats, and editing..

For instance you have to transcode your footage to 29.97 prior to editing...

If you make this leap - email me if you need some tutoring...good luck

Photo camera was not created to shoot video. Yeah I know there are many indie directors shooting with 5d II and they get pretty good results, BUT the cam was made to shoot STILLS. For me the main issues are
focusing
holding the cam - got to use tripod which is unacceptable

I'd go for Canon XF300 (or 305 if you need HD-SDI). It shoots full HD (not HDV like XH a1), and the quality is visibly better.
Also you can save on flash cards - the cam utilizes CF which are 1$ a dozen compared to e.g. Sony's cards. And you can hot swap it.

Sony EX1r is good as well, but since you're Canon guy you'd rather stick to XF305.

DeanCapture · 12-04-2010, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Why do good disscusions here have to turn nasty llol.

Because this is GFY and GFY is known for this sorta thing. If you want to have a civil discussion, GFY is NOT the place to do it. Everybody here is a specialist in their field and thinks that their opinion is the only one that matters. Just makes me

sometimes.

Hope you are doing well Tony. Give my love to the wifey!

xenigo · 12-04-2010, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzz

Photo camera was not created to shoot video. Yeah I know there are many indie directors shooting with 5d II and they get pretty good results, BUT the cam was made to shoot STILLS. For me the main issues are
focusing
holding the cam - got to use tripod which is unacceptable

I'd go for Canon XF300 (or 305 if you need HD-SDI). It shoots full HD (not HDV like XH a1), and the quality is visibly better.
Also you can save on flash cards - the cam utilizes CF which are 1$ a dozen compared to e.g. Sony's cards. And you can hot swap it.

Sony EX1r is good as well, but since you're Canon guy you'd rather stick to XF305.

Holy crap. Specs on the XF300 look excellent. First time I've seen that camera. And recording to CF is perfect.

Grapesoda · 12-04-2010, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony286

Why do good disscusions here have to turn nasty llol everyone likes what they like. I uaed to say my dvx100a from my cold dead hands but 60d blows me away. I do have an advantage when learning the new work flow i can shoot my wifes solo stuff. If i screw it up learning im not out modeling fees.

you know the dslr's shoot great vid.... sony is working on a vid cam that uses the sony dslr lenses... that would be the way for me to go if I decide to swap stuff around...

at this point I'm shooting for the members, not photographers or videographers... very big difference in that tony and it took me years to figure it out.

KingRedOnion · 12-04-2010, 03:09 PM

even with the arguments this thread was actually one of the most interesting and informative I have read on gfy this year.

SimonScans · 12-04-2010, 04:30 PM

I have the XF300 - traded up as soon as I could from an EX1, which I'd had since they came out.

Shot this on it on the very first day:-

http://www.simonscans.com/tour/tours...215&seriesid=8

First video I've ever used where default preset white balances are usable.

The XF300 is bloody lovely, CF cards are cheap and we have lots from the still cameras anyway, the AF works, all the controls fall to hand and its just a typical Canon bit of kit - everything works and it's all very familiar to other Canon gear

The EX1 I truly and utterly hated from moment one. The AF was patchy, the cards expensive and all the controls just in the wrong places or worse still hidden in fucking menus. Colours by default are a bit odd too, but there's custom settings downloadable everywhere now, which fix it, by why the hell should I have to? Shouldn't default be good enough?

Back in the day Sony on a product meant something - now it usually just means, badly thought out, expensive and a proprietary format.

Add to this a codec that wouldn't play in Premiere for about a year after I bought it and the "coming soon" update finally arrived. Add to this a Matrox edit system that never really worked right and I wasn't a happy bunny. FYI Matrox's support team is beyond useless and I will never, ever own another Matrox bit of kit again.

The output from an EX1 is noisey compared to more modern cameras, but that's due to its small pixels - it's about the only camera from that time that doesn't upscale from a less than HD sensor, so it's not totally surprising. It's a trade-off, sharpness over sensitivity.

Full 35mm sensor chips are just too damn big for porn video - low depth of focus is a lovely thing on some types of content, but shooting up close and wanting fanny and face in focus, makes it not ideal. F11 is going to take quite a lot of Kinos. Also the lack of an angled viewfinder leaves the operator grovelling about on the floor, when shooting human females who usually have their interesting bits best viewed from well below waist level. I had a 5d mk2 but never got beyond playing with it on tests - editing the native MOV files was very tempting compared to another screen punching afternoon on the phone to Matrox.

I also had a Canon HFX11 I used for a bit - had to order one from the US to get one capable of 30P not the european standard of 25P, it's a GREAT porn camera, small with shockingly good AF and image stabilisation, way better than the EX1 on both counts. It's only downside is that the video it produces struggles in the highlights, they look blown out very easily. I sold it when the XF300 came along, and kinda wish I hadn't.

The Camera you actually want is the Canon XF100 - it's almost as small as the HF11, but shoots the same format and codec as the XF300. Single chip instead of 3 chip - but this barely matters any more as its a CMOS not a CCD. They aren't quite out yet - they're due early next year. Smaller, cheaper and good enough.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/digitalcam...amcorders/3689

Shooting wanky art for vimeo is perfect for 5D's, but for shooting day in day out, just earning a living then an EX1 or XF300 or XF100 would be - and is - my choice.

Buzz · 12-04-2010, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bm bradley

you know the dslr's shoot great vid.... sony is working on a vid cam that uses the sony dslr lenses... that would be the way for me to go if I decide to swap stuff around...

at this point I'm shooting for the members, not photographers or videographers... very big difference in that tony and it took me years to figure it out.

guess your talking about NEX - you'd better give it a couple of years for Sony to polish it. So far that's kind of beta device combining sortcomings of both DSLR and camcorders. Have'nt hold it by myself, but most reviews say so.

I hope Sony succeeds, because I'd love to have 15 mpix camcorder with interchangeable lens at affordable price someday.

xenigo · 12-04-2010, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonScans

Shooting wanky art for vimeo is perfect for 5D's, but for shooting day in day out, just earning a living then an EX1 or XF300 or XF100 would be - and is - my choice.

Nice summary. Basically my thoughts as well.

DirtyDanza · 12-04-2010, 05:04 PM

To you guys that think DSLR is where it's at...

This was shot with a sony z7u and z1u

shooting video is more than just run and gun.... you have to know what the fuck your doing to......

I can put the baddest DSLR in a newb's hand and put a fucking HI8 in someone's hands who knows what the fuck they are doing and the HI8 will come out better......

Slutboat · 12-04-2010, 05:50 PM

I'm so glad all you guys aren't jumping on the DSLR bandwagon, just makes guys like me look that much better....

The new Canon video cams look nice - but without the ability to use L series lenses they are crap to me...it's all about the glass boys.

Grapesoda · 12-04-2010, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonScans

I have the XF300 - traded up as soon as I could from an EX1, which I'd had since they came out.

Shot this on it on the very first day:-

http://www.simonscans.com/tour/tours...215&seriesid=8

First video I've ever used where default preset white balances are usable.

The XF300 is bloody lovely, CF cards are cheap and we have lots from the still cameras anyway, the AF works, all the controls fall to hand and its just a typical Canon bit of kit - everything works and it's all very familiar to other Canon gear

The EX1 I truly and utterly hated from moment one. The AF was patchy, the cards expensive and all the controls just in the wrong places or worse still hidden in fucking menus. Colours by default are a bit odd too, but there's custom settings downloadable everywhere now, which fix it, by why the hell should I have to? Shouldn't default be good enough?

Back in the day Sony on a product meant something - now it usually just means, badly thought out, expensive and a proprietary format.

Add to this a codec that wouldn't play in Premiere for about a year after I bought it and the "coming soon" update finally arrived. Add to this a Matrox edit system that never really worked right and I wasn't a happy bunny. FYI Matrox's support team is beyond useless and I will never, ever own another Matrox bit of kit again.

The output from an EX1 is noisey compared to more modern cameras, but that's due to its small pixels - it's about the only camera from that time that doesn't upscale from a less than HD sensor, so it's not totally surprising. It's a trade-off, sharpness over sensitivity.

Full 35mm sensor chips are just too damn big for porn video - low depth of focus is a lovely thing on some types of content, but shooting up close and wanting fanny and face in focus, makes it not ideal. F11 is going to take quite a lot of Kinos. Also the lack of an angled viewfinder leaves the operator grovelling about on the floor, when shooting human females who usually have their interesting bits best viewed from well below waist level. I had a 5d mk2 but never got beyond playing with it on tests - editing the native MOV files was very tempting compared to another screen punching afternoon on the phone to Matrox.

I also had a Canon HFX11 I used for a bit - had to order one from the US to get one capable of 30P not the european standard of 25P, it's a GREAT porn camera, small with shockingly good AF and image stabilisation, way better than the EX1 on both counts. It's only downside is that the video it produces struggles in the highlights, they look blown out very easily. I sold it when the XF300 came along, and kinda wish I hadn't.

The Camera you actually want is the Canon XF100 - it's almost as small as the HF11, but shoots the same format and codec as the XF300. Single chip instead of 3 chip - but this barely matters any more as its a CMOS not a CCD. They aren't quite out yet - they're due early next year. Smaller, cheaper and good enough.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/digitalcam...amcorders/3689

Shooting wanky art for vimeo is perfect for 5D's, but for shooting day in day out, just earning a living then an EX1 or XF300 or XF100 would be - and is - my choice.

looks great Simon... always loved your videos

Grapesoda · 12-04-2010, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzz

guess your talking about NEX - you'd better give it a couple of years for Sony to polish it. So far that's kind of beta device combining sortcomings of both DSLR and camcorders. Have'nt hold it by myself, but most reviews say so.

I hope Sony succeeds, because I'd love to have 15 mpix camcorder with interchangeable lens at affordable price someday.

especially if I can use my Nikon glass... I have the d3s however sure not gonna try and produce content with it

Grapesoda · 12-04-2010, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slutboat

I'm so glad all you guys aren't jumping on the DSLR bandwagon, just makes guys like me look that much better....

look slutboat this might come as one hell of a shock to you... we do know what the fuck we are doing

marcop · 12-04-2010, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slutboat

but without the ability to use L series lenses they are crap to me...

AaronM · 12-04-2010, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonScans

I have the XF300 - traded up as soon as I could from an EX1, which I'd had since they came out.

Shot this on it on the very first day:-

http://www.simonscans.com/tour/tours...215&seriesid=8

First video I've ever used where default preset white balances are usable.

The XF300 is bloody lovely, CF cards are cheap and we have lots from the still cameras anyway, the AF works, all the controls fall to hand and its just a typical Canon bit of kit - everything works and it's all very familiar to other Canon gear

The EX1 I truly and utterly hated from moment one. The AF was patchy, the cards expensive and all the controls just in the wrong places or worse still hidden in fucking menus. Colours by default are a bit odd too, but there's custom settings downloadable everywhere now, which fix it, by why the hell should I have to? Shouldn't default be good enough?

Back in the day Sony on a product meant something - now it usually just means, badly thought out, expensive and a proprietary format.

Add to this a codec that wouldn't play in Premiere for about a year after I bought it and the "coming soon" update finally arrived. Add to this a Matrox edit system that never really worked right and I wasn't a happy bunny. FYI Matrox's support team is beyond useless and I will never, ever own another Matrox bit of kit again.

The output from an EX1 is noisey compared to more modern cameras, but that's due to its small pixels - it's about the only camera from that time that doesn't upscale from a less than HD sensor, so it's not totally surprising. It's a trade-off, sharpness over sensitivity.

Full 35mm sensor chips are just too damn big for porn video - low depth of focus is a lovely thing on some types of content, but shooting up close and wanting fanny and face in focus, makes it not ideal. F11 is going to take quite a lot of Kinos. Also the lack of an angled viewfinder leaves the operator grovelling about on the floor, when shooting human females who usually have their interesting bits best viewed from well below waist level. I had a 5d mk2 but never got beyond playing with it on tests - editing the native MOV files was very tempting compared to another screen punching afternoon on the phone to Matrox.

I also had a Canon HFX11 I used for a bit - had to order one from the US to get one capable of 30P not the european standard of 25P, it's a GREAT porn camera, small with shockingly good AF and image stabilisation, way better than the EX1 on both counts. It's only downside is that the video it produces struggles in the highlights, they look blown out very easily. I sold it when the XF300 came along, and kinda wish I hadn't.

The Camera you actually want is the Canon XF100 - it's almost as small as the HF11, but shoots the same format and codec as the XF300. Single chip instead of 3 chip - but this barely matters any more as its a CMOS not a CCD. They aren't quite out yet - they're due early next year. Smaller, cheaper and good enough.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/digitalcam...amcorders/3689

Shooting wanky art for vimeo is perfect for 5D's, but for shooting day in day out, just earning a living then an EX1 or XF300 or XF100 would be - and is - my choice.

Thank you.

Mr Happy · 12-05-2010, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slutboat

I'm so glad all you guys aren't jumping on the DSLR bandwagon, just makes guys like me look that much better....

The new Canon video cams look nice - but without the ability to use L series lenses they are crap to me...it's all about the glass boys.

First, the Canon 5D MkII does in fact have a low iso setting at 50
I own it and I can show you.

I own the EX1 and 5D MkII I have shot the same thing side by side.
Yes with nothing but L-Glass and in the real world, the Sony EX1 smokes the 5D Mk II. I love the 5D don't get me wrong. Oh and I know how to use it.
Yes the Canon 5D is use widely used in Hollywood, not because of image quality first, but because of how great the depth of field that can be pulled from the cam with many different lenses.
It is awesome.

I will shoot my very next model with both cams, I will not cheat the footage.
I will encode it as full HD flv and post it here in GFY.

Below is my current editing station.

SimonScans · 12-05-2010, 04:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slutboat

I'm so glad all you guys aren't jumping on the DSLR bandwagon, just makes guys like me look that much better....

The new Canon video cams look nice - but without the ability to use L series lenses they are crap to me...it's all about the glass boys.

Oh spare me. Fuck right off and then come back when you've done something.

The XF300 / XF305 DO have L lenses - an 18x wide angle Canon L-series lens according to the manual. So there

I had a 5d mk2 (spare body, now sold and making do with a 1DS mk3)

Lenses - 16-35, 24-70, 24-105, 70-200, 300, 50 and 85 - all fast & current L series, but even with all that gear in the bag I still chose to spend another heap of money on dedicated video camera.

I also think I know my way around those lenses quite well.

Maybe if I had a camera op, a focus puller, a grip and a sound man then a 5d would be bearable - but for porn it's just totally unworkable in real life. There's a lot more to life than sharp lenses

And now post some of your clearly better DSLR video. Porn video. Not beardy blokes or wavey grass, much as I enjoy tugging one out to those niches.

SimonScans · 12-05-2010, 04:17 AM

FYI, an episode of House was shot on a 5D

Grapesoda · 12-05-2010, 06:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonScans

FYI, an episode of House was shot on a 5D

I see lots of stuff shot with the canon dslr's on tv... lots of commercials... i can a weird color shirt in the greens and lack of resolution in the highlights..

RRACY · 12-05-2010, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimonScans

I have the XF300 - traded up as soon as I could from an EX1, which I'd had since they came out.

Shot this on it on the very first day:-

http://www.simonscans.com/tour/tours...215&seriesid=8

First video I've ever used where default preset white balances are usable.

The XF300 is bloody lovely, CF cards are cheap and we have lots from the still cameras anyway, the AF works, all the controls fall to hand and its just a typical Canon bit of kit - everything works and it's all very familiar to other Canon gear

The EX1 I truly and utterly hated from moment one. The AF was patchy, the cards expensive and all the controls just in the wrong places or worse still hidden in fucking menus. Colours by default are a bit odd too, but there's custom settings downloadable everywhere now, which fix it, by why the hell should I have to? Shouldn't default be good enough?

Back in the day Sony on a product meant something - now it usually just means, badly thought out, expensive and a proprietary format.

Add to this a codec that wouldn't play in Premiere for about a year after I bought it and the "coming soon" update finally arrived. Add to this a Matrox edit system that never really worked right and I wasn't a happy bunny. FYI Matrox's support team is beyond useless and I will never, ever own another Matrox bit of kit again.

The output from an EX1 is noisey compared to more modern cameras, but that's due to its small pixels - it's about the only camera from that time that doesn't upscale from a less than HD sensor, so it's not totally surprising. It's a trade-off, sharpness over sensitivity.

Full 35mm sensor chips are just too damn big for porn video - low depth of focus is a lovely thing on some types of content, but shooting up close and wanting fanny and face in focus, makes it not ideal. F11 is going to take quite a lot of Kinos. Also the lack of an angled viewfinder leaves the operator grovelling about on the floor, when shooting human females who usually have their interesting bits best viewed from well below waist level. I had a 5d mk2 but never got beyond playing with it on tests - editing the native MOV files was very tempting compared to another screen punching afternoon on the phone to Matrox.

I also had a Canon HFX11 I used for a bit - had to order one from the US to get one capable of 30P not the european standard of 25P, it's a GREAT porn camera, small with shockingly good AF and image stabilisation, way better than the EX1 on both counts. It's only downside is that the video it produces struggles in the highlights, they look blown out very easily. I sold it when the XF300 came along, and kinda wish I hadn't.

The Camera you actually want is the Canon XF100 - it's almost as small as the HF11, but shoots the same format and codec as the XF300. Single chip instead of 3 chip - but this barely matters any more as its a CMOS not a CCD. They aren't quite out yet - they're due early next year. Smaller, cheaper and good enough.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/digitalcam...amcorders/3689

Shooting wanky art for vimeo is perfect for 5D's, but for shooting day in day out, just earning a living then an EX1 or XF300 or XF100 would be - and is - my choice.

You can buy it next month.

Canon XF100 HD Professional Camcorder
email print B&H# CAXF100 Mfr# 4888B001
Product Highlights
- 1/3" CMOS Sensor
- 50Mbps MPEG-2 Recording
- 4:2:2 Color Sampling
- 60p/60i, 30p, 24p
- MXF File Format
- Dual CF Card Slots
- 10x HD Zoom Lens
- Multiple Bit Rates & Resolutions
- Dual XLR Inputs
- HDMI, Component, Composite Outputs
Price: $3,299.95 Calculate Shipping
Approx. Arrival January http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...A=endecaSearch

DeanCapture · 12-05-2010, 09:54 AM

Beautiful set up man - congrats

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Happy

Below is my current editing station.

Jim_Gunn · 12-05-2010, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Happy

Below is my current editing station.

That resembles my office somewhat. I have two similar glass flat top desks arayed in an L-shape just like that, but side by side so that they form three quarters of a rectangle. Only problem I see is you can't easily roll that chair betweeen workstations with that damn carpet. I like tile or a wood floor myself!

Jim_Gunn · 12-05-2010, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RRACY

You can buy it next month.

Canon XF100 HD Professional Camcorder
email print B&H# CAXF100 Mfr# 4888B001
Product Highlights
- 1/3" CMOS Sensor
- 50Mbps MPEG-2 Recording
- 4:2:2 Color Sampling
- 60p/60i, 30p, 24p
- MXF File Format
- Dual CF Card Slots
- 10x HD Zoom Lens
- Multiple Bit Rates & Resolutions
- Dual XLR Inputs
- HDMI, Component, Composite Outputs
Price: $3,299.95 Calculate Shipping
Approx. Arrival January http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...A=endecaSearch

That looks very handy and practical for daily porn shooting and at a great price too. I'll have to check that out next month. I think Canon may woo me back from Sony with this unit.

AaronM · 12-05-2010, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

That looks very handy and practical for daily porn shooting and at a great price too. I'll have to check that out next month. I think Canon may woo me back from Sony with this unit.

I'm all over their CES booth come January.

RRACY · 12-06-2010, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

That looks very handy and practical for daily porn shooting and at a great price too. I'll have to check that out next month. I think Canon may woo me back from Sony with this unit.

I'm glad to see that many shooters are old fashioned in not going way beyond what is necessary to achieve great results for current technology. If Simon says 3k will produce great results (and he has own site) then freelancers are using top of line cameras. If you wanna chip out with 3, it'll cost you double. You may have it to burn but do you really need it?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc..._4457B001.html
Product Highlights
- 3 Native 1920 x 1080 CMOS Sensors
- 50Mbps MPEG-2 Recording
- 4:2:2 Color Sampling
- 60p/60i, 30p, 24p
- MXF File Format
- Dual CF Card Slots
- 18x HD L-Series Zoom
- Multiple Bit Rates, Resolutions
- Dual XLR Inputs
- HDMI, Component, Composite Outputs
Price: $6,499.00

DWB · 12-06-2010, 07:22 AM

I prefer tapes still. Gives me a small sense of security. Had too many drives crash or get fried over the years.

JP-pornshooter · 12-06-2010, 04:22 PM

this looks like the NEX everyone is wishing for:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...G&A=details&Q=

i am leary about going to 1 cmos/ccd compared to my current 3 chip set-up...
i know the quality on a pc will look fine, but clients will blow up the footage on a 58" screen and if your content doesnt hold up you are in trouble..

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KingRedOnion Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 189	even with the arguments this thread was actually one of the most interesting and informative I have read on gfy this year. __________________ Trade Adult - 250+ TGPs looking for trades

12-04-2010, 05:04 PM	#66
DirtyDanza Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: BP4L.... Las Vegas, Posts: 8,369	To you guys that think DSLR is where it's at... This was shot with a sony z7u and z1u shooting video is more than just run and gun.... you have to know what the fuck your doing to...... I can put the baddest DSLR in a newb's hand and put a fucking HI8 in someone's hands who knows what the fuck they are doing and the HI8 will come out better...... __________________ AVN Nominated Camming Couple

12-04-2010, 05:50 PM	#67
Slutboat Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,388	I'm so glad all you guys aren't jumping on the DSLR bandwagon, just makes guys like me look that much better.... The new Canon video cams look nice - but without the ability to use L series lenses they are crap to me...it's all about the glass boys. __________________ The Slut Boat soon will be making another run The Slut Boat promises something for everyone

12-06-2010, 04:22 PM	#84
JP-pornshooter Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: westcoast usa Posts: 4,007	this looks like the NEX everyone is wishing for: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/cont...G&A=details&Q= i am leary about going to 1 cmos/ccd compared to my current 3 chip set-up... i know the quality on a pc will look fine, but clients will blow up the footage on a 58" screen and if your content doesnt hold up you are in trouble.. __________________ "Obscenity is whatever gives the Judge an erection." -- Author Unknown

12-04-2010, 11:27 AM	#57
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Why do good disscusions here have to turn nasty llol everyone likes what they like. I uaed to say my dvx100a from my cold dead hands but 60d blows me away. I do have an advantage when learning the new work flow i can shoot my wifes solo stuff. If i screw it up learning im not out modeling fees.

12-04-2010, 04:30 PM	#63
SimonScans Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 342	I have the XF300 - traded up as soon as I could from an EX1, which I'd had since they came out. Shot this on it on the very first day:- http://www.simonscans.com/tour/tours...215&seriesid=8 First video I've ever used where default preset white balances are usable. The XF300 is bloody lovely, CF cards are cheap and we have lots from the still cameras anyway, the AF works, all the controls fall to hand and its just a typical Canon bit of kit - everything works and it's all very familiar to other Canon gear The EX1 I truly and utterly hated from moment one. The AF was patchy, the cards expensive and all the controls just in the wrong places or worse still hidden in fucking menus. Colours by default are a bit odd too, but there's custom settings downloadable everywhere now, which fix it, by why the hell should I have to? Shouldn't default be good enough? Back in the day Sony on a product meant something - now it usually just means, badly thought out, expensive and a proprietary format. Add to this a codec that wouldn't play in Premiere for about a year after I bought it and the "coming soon" update finally arrived. Add to this a Matrox edit system that never really worked right and I wasn't a happy bunny. FYI Matrox's support team is beyond useless and I will never, ever own another Matrox bit of kit again. The output from an EX1 is noisey compared to more modern cameras, but that's due to its small pixels - it's about the only camera from that time that doesn't upscale from a less than HD sensor, so it's not totally surprising. It's a trade-off, sharpness over sensitivity. Full 35mm sensor chips are just too damn big for porn video - low depth of focus is a lovely thing on some types of content, but shooting up close and wanting fanny and face in focus, makes it not ideal. F11 is going to take quite a lot of Kinos. Also the lack of an angled viewfinder leaves the operator grovelling about on the floor, when shooting human females who usually have their interesting bits best viewed from well below waist level. I had a 5d mk2 but never got beyond playing with it on tests - editing the native MOV files was very tempting compared to another screen punching afternoon on the phone to Matrox. I also had a Canon HFX11 I used for a bit - had to order one from the US to get one capable of 30P not the european standard of 25P, it's a GREAT porn camera, small with shockingly good AF and image stabilisation, way better than the EX1 on both counts. It's only downside is that the video it produces struggles in the highlights, they look blown out very easily. I sold it when the XF300 came along, and kinda wish I hadn't. The Camera you actually want is the Canon XF100 - it's almost as small as the HF11, but shoots the same format and codec as the XF300. Single chip instead of 3 chip - but this barely matters any more as its a CMOS not a CCD. They aren't quite out yet - they're due early next year. Smaller, cheaper and good enough. http://www.zdnet.com/blog/digitalcam...amcorders/3689 Shooting wanky art for vimeo is perfect for 5D's, but for shooting day in day out, just earning a living then an EX1 or XF300 or XF100 would be - and is - my choice.

12-05-2010, 04:17 AM	#75
SimonScans Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 342	FYI, an episode of House was shot on a 5D

12-06-2010, 07:22 AM	#83
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	I prefer tapes still. Gives me a small sense of security. Had too many drives crash or get fried over the years.