PROMOTE THIS SPONSOR in 2011, detailed stats for you inside

[CunningStunt]

Some of you may be promoting this program already, if not, I suggest you give them a go. I predict huge things for these guys in 2011.

It is a sponsor I've been pushing since the middle of the year. There are no issues with stolen content, it's an adult virtual world that people have to download first (and then get out their credit card when hooked)

They pay me $75 per sale for those 267 sales below, new affiliates however are on $60 or 60% recurring.

Join here.



Have a profitable new year folks.

[AzteK]

with out the aff link, don't be a cock sucker.

http://www.utherverse.com/webmasters/

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by AzteK

with out the aff link, don't be a cock sucker.

http://www.utherverse.com/webmasters/

How is that being a cocksucker? I'm helping fellow GFY'ers, I'm giving the program some deserved promotion, and in return, will take my cut.

That's how business works, or are you naive enough to believe otherwise?

[paymeback]

Originally Posted by AzteK

with out the aff link, don't be a cock sucker.

http://www.utherverse.com/webmasters/

lol if people detest that much about the affiliate link i'm sure they know how to remove it moron

[Agent 488]

what kind of traffic?

[rogueteens]

doesnt work for me, i just keep being sent to the surfer tour no matter what i click on the affiliate tour page

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

doesnt work for me, i just keep being sent to the surfer tour no matter what i click on the affiliate tour page

Click on the Join now, it may give an error, but the page you land on should be the login page, and there's an option there to join:

Create a new account
Lost your password?
Resend validation email
Enter validation PIN
Check email validation

Agent488 - dating traffic works well. I would imagine if you could get the ads / links up in front of the WoW / SIMS type gaming crowd, you'd make a killing with it.

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

Click on the Join now, it may give an error, but the page you land on should be the login page, and there's an option there to join:

Create a new account
Lost your password?
Resend validation email
Enter validation PIN
Check email validation

Yeah, thats the page i end up at, its the same join page the surfers go to.

[tonyparra]

Am i allowed? I know how you dont like me signing up under you...

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by rogueteens

Yeah, thats the page i end up at, its the same join page the surfers go to.

It's all linked together - sign up on that page

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by tonyparra

Am i allowed? I know how you dont like me signing up under you...

You're never going to let me forget that drunken post are you I apologised already, are you after blood as well?

[Agent 488]

i tried it on some general traffic before with little luck. may have to throw a little research into it to target it more.

[tonyparra]

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

You're never going to let me forget that drunken post are you I apologised already, are you after blood as well?

Im from cleveland its what we do...its why Lebron left ...

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

i tried it on some general traffic before with little luck. may have to throw a little research into it to target it more.

Mine is mostly general traffic.

I bought some slots on some gaming forums to some success, but few will allow adult banners / programs. One WoW forum owner tried to rip me off and I stopped going that route.

[fuzebox]

I almost forgot about Redlight Center... Been meaning to try em for like a year now.

[Forkbeard]

I'll be honest, I've been holding off on promoting these guys because their avatars strike me as kinda ugly and real old tech -- the wood elves in 1990s EverQuest were hotter. Hell, even the high elves were hotter in a beef-and-cabbage kinda way. I keep hoping somebody will come along to compete with them that has better-looking more modern avatars.

But if it converts, meh, maybe I should get off my technological high horse.

[Agent 488]

is there any other of these virtual sex sites as well out there? ref code is ok ; )

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

is there any other of these virtual sex sites as well out there? ref code is ok ; )

Kinkydollars has 3D Kink

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by Forkbeard

I'll be honest, I've been holding off on promoting these guys because their avatars strike me as kinda ugly and real old tech -- the wood elves in 1990s EverQuest were hotter. Hell, even the high elves were hotter in a beef-and-cabbage kinda way. I keep hoping somebody will come along to compete with them that has better-looking more modern avatars.

But if it converts, meh, maybe I should get off my technological high horse.

You have to put that to one side. The "average" surfer, not gamer, will think it's very good. They can virtually fuck someone they're never likely to meet, chat to them etc.

The Canadians who run it are a smart bunch, the soft sell works incredibly well.

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

Kinkydollars has 3D Kink

Total 961 931 1 1:931 1 $16.98

I pulled traffic to it. I like Terry and the kink.com crowd, that program just didn't convert well at all for me with the same traffic source.

[Vjo]

I did convert well with them in 2009 and not as well in 2010. But they do recur really well.

[Forkbeard]

Yeah, I am afraid I was also rude to the Red Light Center guys early on, they approached me on one of my blogs and asked me to review their software. I took one look at the Flash download and said "You fucking kidding? Nobody in their right mind is going to download a flash app from an untrusted source, that's insane, your whole business model is fucked." (This was years ago when Flash was even more buggy and ridden with security horrors than it still is.)

Obviously I should have listened to H.L. Menken or P.T. Barnum or whomever it was that said nobody ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the public.

[CunningStunt]

I did do some split testing. For my traffic, the PPS was the better option. Here are my percentage account stats:

[Forkbeard]

I should add that I've done OK promoting 3D Kink from KinkyDollars, which like the Red Light product has the advantage of being impossible to pirate, and has prettier avatars. But the products aren't competitors at all. I like to describe 3D Kink as being like "paper dolls for grownups" ... you can dress and undress the avatars, pose them, play with them, make them orgasm, earn coins to buy more sex toys and clothes and stuff, but there's no multiplayer, no social aspect, no cybersex, no other people.

Selling 3D Kink properly is also a lot of work. It's like blogging, I don't mind telling people how to do it, because nobody will take the advice. You can't just send people to the signup page, or put up the banners; that fails miserably (bad ratios). I find I've actually got to use the product, play with it at time-consuming length, take screen shots, and use them to illustrate blog posts. When people see that ... when they see that I'm telling my own story with pretty pictures I made with the product ... then they get interested and are more inclined to buy.

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by Forkbeard

Yeah, I am afraid I was also rude to the Red Light Center guys early on, they approached me on one of my blogs and asked me to review their software. I took one look at the Flash download and said "You fucking kidding? Nobody in their right mind is going to download a flash app from an untrusted source, that's insane, your whole business model is fucked." (This was years ago when Flash was even more buggy and ridden with security horrors than it still is.)

Obviously I should have listened to H.L. Menken or P.T. Barnum or whomever it was that said nobody ever went broke by underestimating the intelligence of the public.

Erm, are you sure it's a flash app, it's a full on video game as far as I can tell.

[Vjo]

$60 a sale does seem the better route. I did the recur. They do recur well but $60 seems pretty decent.

I certainly dont mind signing up under anyone who has something that is converting. Seems a fair deal.

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by Forkbeard

Selling 3D Kink properly is also a lot of work. It's like blogging, I don't mind telling people how to do it, because nobody will take the advice. You can't just send people to the signup page, or put up the banners; that fails miserably (bad ratios). I find I've actually got to use the product, play with it at time-consuming length, take screen shots, and use them to illustrate blog posts. When people see that ... when they see that I'm telling my own story with pretty pictures I made with the product ... then they get interested and are more inclined to buy.

Spot on. One of the most effective ways I've found is to take it one step further, and promote it by using Camtasia, and making example vids - you have to omit the fucking of course, but a lot of it can be shown in a 1:30 vid. Watermark and away you go

[jimmycooper]

I'm in. With the aff link.

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by jimmycooper

I'm in. With the aff link.

Thanks

I always sign up with programs I find on here with the person's affiliate code, it's only right. The member helped me find the program in the first place, it doesn't cost me a dime, and they earn some wedge in the process. A 3 way win.

[Jakez]

So to join as an affiliate I have to join the site I'm going to promote?

There's a "Referred By" field on the join form, are you sure you're getting credit for referring people with that link?

[signupdamnit]

Is it really still a CCBill program? The flash tour states that it is under "How do I get paid?" with "you get paid directly by CCBill, our payment processor" but everything I see so far suggests otherwise.

[seeandsee]

interesting program, could be winner

[Forkbeard]

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

Erm, are you sure it's a flash app, it's a full on video game as far as I can tell.

No idea about the current product. Years ago when they hit me up for a blog review, they sent me a link; and when I hit the link, I came to a flash-only page that started a *long* wait-for-your-flash-to-down-load process.

Which I didn't bother with, because at the time, the idea that surfers would sit through that in order to try a product from an untrusted source seemed laughable.

But this was years and years ago -- by now, their tech may well have changed, and surfer attitudes surely have.

Are you saying it downloads an installable/executable with a certificate now?

[Forkbeard]

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

Spot on. One of the most effective ways I've found is to take it one step further, and promote it by using Camtasia, and making example vids - you have to omit the fucking of course, but a lot of it can be shown in a 1:30 vid. Watermark and away you go

Clever! But now I am LOL at myself, because I find myself doing what everybody else does when I give them advice, and thinking "Sheesh, that sounds like too much work..." There's damn little easy money left in this business, that's for sure.

[Forkbeard]

I got curious so I went back through my old email archive.

What happened was, in 2006 they started hitting me over and over with semi-automated emails on one of my cleaner blogs, begging me to join their affiliate program and blog about their product. Here's the actual blunt email I sent them after the first time they didn't take "no" for an answer:

Serena, I've already responded to a similar pitch from your Mr. Tosch.

Bottom line -- upon trying to visit your site, I find a flash-based site -- strike one -- and can proceed no further without hitting a download button -- strike two -- from a company with no particular positive reputation -- strike three, you're out.

Nobody in their right mind allows unknown downloads, and I'm surely not going to try myself nor recommend that my readers do so. Especially when there aren't some big obvious links where people can read about your company, about the features of the site, and learn why they might want to risk the download. (The tiny little links in invisible red-on-black fine print at the bottom of the page don't count, because people can't see them.)

The adult industry is sick with malware. In this industry, you need a highly trusted brand if you want user downloads. The fact that you're apparently not conscious of that -- nor taking steps to reassure potential users -- would make anyone suspicious.

Apparently that wasn't clear enough for them, because they pitched me again two months later, causing me to write:

I really wish you would remove me from your marketing spam database. This is the third pitch from you guys, but as I've twice explained, your site doesn't meet the basic safety-and-security standards necessary in the modern internet era. Please stop spamming me.

But anyway, looking at those emails, it's not clear that their actual application was ever in Flash, that seems to have been a false memory on my part. What they had was a slow-loading Flash-based website with no actual text about their product or their company, and you couldn't find out any more until you did the download.

[djroof]

I will give a try!

[Paul&John]

Hm looks interesting, maybe a nice addon for tubes

[Tjeezers]

they only pay by check?

contact me on ICQ, and show me please a little how you promote them, and I will sign up under you

[Agent 488]

their sign up is confusing. you have to create another ccbill account - can't merge with your regular ccbill account. at least when i signed up before. maybe it's changed.

i generally see them promoted via banner ads on tube and image hosting sites, although i'm going to try and few different angles as i like the idea.

[ruff]

Signed up under your affiliate link as well. Thanks for the heads up. Bump for business.

[st0ned]

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

Total 961 931 1 1:931 1 $16.98

I pulled traffic to it. I like Terry and the kink.com crowd, that program just didn't convert well at all for me with the same traffic source.

Interesting. I sent probably 15-20k test traffic to utherverse and didn't convert for shit (just free accounts that never converted to paid). Same traffic source that I use to send to 3D Kink.



But you are showing a better conversion rate for utherverse than I am for 3D Kink. It truly is all based upon traffic sources. There have been many sponsors I wanted to push throughout the years because they had good people behind them, just couldn't get them to convert for whatever reason.

My traffic converts 3D Kink better, yours is the opposite.

Maybe I will give Utherverse a shot again and see what happens this time around.

Anyone wanting to push 3D Kink - Feel free to use my link.

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by signupdamnit

Is it really still a CCBill program? The flash tour states that it is under "How do I get paid?" with "you get paid directly by CCBill, our payment processor" but everything I see so far suggests otherwise.

It is CCBill.

Tjeezers, I get paid via wire transfer. I hate cheques with a passion. Drop me a line, I don't have ICQ. My email addy is oilybutts@@@@@yahoo.com

I should get credit for any signups just using that link, otherwise in the referred by field can you add mrplough2 please.

Search engine traffic converts the best of course - some phrases to kick you off in the right direction:

sex games
adult myspace
adult games
sex rpg
adult rpg
rpg sex games
adult mmorpg
virtual sex
virtual world
virtual dating game

https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by Forkbeard

Are you saying it downloads an installable/executable with a certificate now?

Yes to the executable. It's a big download, but people don't seem to care these days.

[alias]

Originally Posted by Agent 488

is there any other of these virtual sex sites as well out there? ref code is ok ; )

http://www.gameboxxx.com/

[cybermike]

How much does a membership cost? I wonder how long they stick for on average

[CunningStunt]

Originally Posted by cybermike

How much does a membership cost? I wonder how long they stick for on average

VIP - from $20/month
?Unlimited access to VIP-only regions, content and features
?Private messenging
?Private apartment
?Advanced Avatar Customization
?VWW Population Capacity of 10 people
?Virtual Currency Transactions

Universal VIP - from $29.99/month
?All VIP-Only features listed above plus...
?Raises VWW Population Capacity to 25 people
?Grants the member a "Universal VIP" pass
?Unlocks the ability to purchase larger VWW Population Capacities
?Additional VWW features such as advanced tools, stats, Ad discounts

I would recommend the PPS route. Reason? 60% recurring of $20 is $12, which means they have to stay at least 5 months for you to get the same as the PPS option.

With my traffic, they were averaging 2-3 months membership.

[Agent 488]

Originally Posted by alias

http://www.gameboxxx.com/

thanks for the reminder. signed up for them a little while ago.

[cybermike]

If everyone is suggesting other 3d sites can I spam mine as well? Its not a game just some picture sites that need more promo

http://www.3dlovedolls.com
http://www.3dshemales.com
http://www.dirty3d.com
http://www.toonboobies.com

If you have any questions icq: 26515697