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blackmonsters · 01-08-2011, 09:29 AM

50 MoFo's that can't read a law and understand it.

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Originally Posted by xenigo

You think this has something to do with the cost of the camera?

He probably does and that just proves how stupid people are about copyright law.

They've been lulled into certain beliefs about copyright because of piss poor enforcement.
They've gotten away with it all their life, so they don't think they are breaking any laws.

But in the end it's like speeding :The fact that cops let other people speed down my
street for 50 years doesn't mean I will not get a speeding ticket when I do it yourself.

I like the phrase I have seen in some apartment leases where it says :

"Failure of management to enforce rules in no way invalidates any rules, nor prevents
the future enforcement of any rules".

That's what selected individuals are experiencing when they get busted for
copyright violations. They can't understand why they are prosecuted and nobody
else was. LOL! Nobody else got that speeding ticket either.

On the other hand, the people who "don't get it" actually do "get something".
They "get it" that they can use that material and there is a "long shot in hell" that
anyone will ever do anything serious about it.

Note : A "long shot in hell" that strikes the temple will probably be fatal.

CaptainHowdy · 01-08-2011, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerK

It's a little different.

The user is actually creating the entire movie. Telling her what to do/say etc.

potter · 01-08-2011, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

I call bullshit. You can't show someone a pic of your friend from Skype?

Video conferencing is just a meeting place.

If you expect sheilas to show themselves naked over the internet and think they're legally protected you're in for a shock, it's unenforceable.

How are you comparing video conferencing and skyping between two individuals and watching a cam model on a private website?

cam_girls · 01-08-2011, 11:38 AM

CAM TO CAM is offered on many Camgirls sites.

How does Pay Per Minute change the fact the software is the same as used for video conferencing?

Put the glasses on the left on, and you can go meet someone at the park and there is an option to record the whole thing.

Put the glasses on the right on, and you can go meet someone at Skype.com/session23844 or CamGirls.com/Room12 and there is an option to record the whole thing.

One you can do what you want with the images you recorded, one you can't!

What about a 20 guys 20 girls virtual orgy, everyone sees everyone nekked? Who owns what?

Sorry about the $20 camera line, touchy subject? Hit an ego-nerve?

ShellyCrash · 01-08-2011, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

Put the glasses on the left on, and you can go meet someone at the park and there is an option to record the whole thing.

Put the glasses on the right on, and you can go meet someone at Skype.com/session23844 or CamGirls.com/Room12 and there is an option to record the whole thing.

One you can do what you want with the images you recorded, one you can't!

What about a 20 guys 20 girls virtual orgy, everyone sees everyone nekked? Who owns what?

Sorry about the $20 camera line, touchy subject? Hit an ego-nerve?

Actually, there are laws against recording people in private situations w/o their knowledge, especially for profit. Just because you record something with your camera doesn't mean you own it, it doesn't just apply to performances.

camperjohn64 · 01-08-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by xenigo

It comes down to the agreement between the cam model and the site they're working for. Without an agreement stating otherwise, the model is the one who owns the copyright. The model is the photographer, creating the image.

Now what if the user can zoom and pan with his keyboard? Now HE is creating the video...

potter · 01-08-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by camperjohn64

Now what if the user can zoom and pan with his keyboard? Now HE is creating the video...

No he isn't, he's just zooming and panning. The cam device, computer, and software combined are still creating the video.

Raz · 01-08-2011, 01:25 PM

Good rule of thumb is if you're worried about the legality of what you're doing. Don't do it.

RycEric · 01-08-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamis

If you pay a webcam slut for a webcam show with you and you record the show.

Who owns the copyright of the video and why?

If you say "The Webcam Site", then tell exactly why do say they own the copyright?

It doesn't matter if their TOS on their site says: "We own the copyrights of everything"

I'm not talking about TOS, but about the copyright of the video. Who owns it? Is there really a law that talks about this specific case?

There are broadcast rights for companies.. ie.. NFL.

Lamis · 01-08-2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by xenigo

So shut the fuck up, and educate yourself before you get your ass handed to you in court.

Are you really the guy on your avatar?? HAHAHA

you are fucking UGLY, dude!!?

It must be very frustrating to pay for sex your entire life, HAHA.

You look like a fucking android!!!! I can't remember the actor's name, but it was a movie about extraterrestrials and one of the guy looked EXACTLY like you!!! hahahaha.

Now go talk about the law, you have no fucking idea, dude. Make sure you update yourself, before you waste shitloads of money in vain.

Just check what other people are saying in their posts, you are obviously completely mistaken, you have no fucking idea, Android. hahaha.

cam_girls · 01-08-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by pornopete

Ladies and Gentlemen! We have our first nomination for Official GFY Douche of 2011 and Official GFY Dumbass of 2011!

It was a GOOD QUESTION yesterday.

blackmonsters · 01-08-2011, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by camperjohn64

Now what if the user can zoom and pan with his keyboard? Now HE is creating the video...

The user is recording the video for sure, but creating the video??????????

PLEASE!!!!!!!

That's like saying that if my TV allows panning and zooming then I'm creating the
NFL Super Bowl if it's broadcast and I sit there and fuck with my TV while I'm recording it.

cam_girls · 01-08-2011, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ShellyCrash

Actually, there are laws against recording people in private situations w/o their knowledge, especially for profit. Just because you record something with your camera doesn't mean you own it, it doesn't just apply to performances.

What doesn't apply? What private situations? What law?

You're just full of shit Smelly Crotch.

Now you say nobody owns any photo's, totally spurious argument just designed to ignore the comparison from virtual and real world meeting.

Stick to your repeated identical ad hom arguments where you make up all the shit in the world.

xenigo · 01-08-2011, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Lamis

Now go talk about the law, you have no fucking idea, dude. Make sure you update yourself, before you waste shitloads of money in vain.

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Originally Posted by $5 submissions

What governs this situation is the terms between the web cam performer and the network/company she is doing freelance work for. If there's a work for hire provision, then the finished product--the streamed performance is owned by the network. If there's no such provision, the rights owner is the performer by default by operation of what Xenigo described above. The performer is the "photographer" or "videographer".

Lamis, Gene is an attorney.

cam_girls · 01-08-2011, 04:28 PM

Attorney's are paid to win arguments, not decide the law.

Whoever's side they're on, they'll substantiate certain laws in their favor.

For instance, Gene only mentioned "rights", and deliberately left out "use" of the video.

NaughtyVisions · 01-08-2011, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

Attorney's are paid to win arguments, not decide the law.

Whoever's side they're on, they'll substantiate certain laws in their favor.

For instance, Gene only mentioned "rights", and deliberately left out "use" of the video.

Because the legal "use" of the video depends on who owns the "rights" to the video.

xenigo · 01-08-2011, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

Attorney's are paid to win arguments, not decide the law.

Whoever's side they're on, they'll substantiate certain laws in their favor.

For instance, Gene only mentioned "rights", and deliberately left out "use" of the video.

Listen dude, I'm not an attorney... but my brother is an attorney, all of his friends are attorneys, and a lot of my own friends are attorneys. I get all the legal advice I could ever imagine for free, and I get a lot of it. I've done a TON of research on this very topic because my entire business revolves around it. Often times we spend evenings discussing issue exactly like the one I'm talking about with you. I guess you could say I'm quite an "enthusiast" on the subject of copyright.

Really, I would absolutely love to understand where you're coming from. All I know is that if I were to sit down in front of a judge, with my attorney, and have an arbitration... with someone who had your perspective on IP infringement, we'd all have a good chuckle when you would be signing the check.

If you don't want to take anyone's word on it, go find some court cases... read them. Carefully. Really carefully. Then read them again.

Come back and let us know what you learn.

Lamis · 01-08-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by xenigo

Listen dude, I'm not an attorney...

Listen, dude.

You are obviously stuck on time. This is 2011. Not 2002, so your BUSH ERA Conservative nazi rules and "judgement" is completely out of the point.

Maybe you did not notice MGM and Blockbuster are both broken?

Do you see the tube owners in jail? NO.

Do you see the file sharing sites owners in jail? NO.

Do you see them broken? NO.

do you see MGM and Blockbuster broken? YES.

Do you see content shooters like you quiting the business every single day because they fail MISERABLY to adapt to 2011? YES.

Seriously android, go read some cases. Carefully. Really carefully. Then read them again and again and again.

And then "maybe" come back.

cam_girls · 01-08-2011, 05:30 PM

If you spent 10 years studying copyright law and never heard of fair use, you must have done some selective reading.

The only answer you'll ever believe is YOU THE PHOTOGRAPHER OWN EVERYTHING 100%.

I'm not going to look up case studies, you said look up WIKIPEDIA and it CLEARLY SHOWS FAIR USE APPLIES TO REVIEW SITES.

FFS haven't you ever seen a movie review on TV?

WHAT DID YOU SEE? A commentary on the choice of name for the movie?

NO YOU IDIOT, YOU SEE 5 MINUTES OF BRAD PITT AND MEGAN FOX IN ACTION!

You think 100,000 TV stations around the world paid $X million to Paramount for exemptions to the copyright?

PULL YOUR FAT FINGERS OUT YOUR EARS.

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT COPYRIGHT OR NOT, I'M THE TRUMAN, MOST OF THE STORY LINES ARE STOLEN FROM MY LIFE.

BUT I WILL SPEAK UP WHEN THE THREAD GOES LIKE THIS.

WE FILMED IT WE OWN EVERYTHING!

IT'S THE LAW!

IT'S MINE MINE MINE

YOU SUCK YOU FUCKING RETARD

HOW DARE YOU ASK A QUESTION ABOUT COPYRIGHT ON A CAMGIRL SHOW?

ShellyCrash · 01-08-2011, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

What doesn't apply? What private situations? What law?

You're just full of shit Smelly Crotch.

Now you say nobody owns any photo's, totally spurious argument just designed to ignore the comparison from virtual and real world meeting.

Stick to your repeated identical ad hom arguments where you make up all the shit in the world.

I never said "nobody owns any photo's".

If you really care to know the legality of recording conversations w/o the other party's consent google "surreptitious recording" if you really want to know the answer.

If the law worked the way you'd like to think it does there would be no reason for consent forms or licensing agreements, etc..

ShellyCrash · 01-08-2011, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT COPYRIGHT OR NOT, I'M THE TRUMAN, MOST OF THE STORY LINES ARE STOLEN FROM MY LIFE.

Time to up your dosage again...

DBS.US · 01-08-2011, 05:38 PM

Why call her a Webcam Slut, Web cam performer is the industry standard term.

NaughtyVisions · 01-08-2011, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cam_girls

If you spent 10 years studying copyright law and never heard of fair use, you must have done some selective reading.

The only answer you'll ever believe is YOU THE PHOTOGRAPHER OWN EVERYTHING 100%.

I'm not going to look up case studies, you said look up WIKIPEDIA and it CLEARLY SHOWS FAIR USE APPLIES TO REVIEW SITES.

FFS haven't you ever seen a movie review on TV?

WHAT DID YOU SEE? A commentary on the choice of name for the movie?

NO YOU IDIOT, YOU SEE 5 MINUTES OF BRAD PITT AND MEGAN FOX IN ACTION!

You think 100,000 TV stations around the world paid $X million to Paramount for exemptions to the copyright?

PULL YOUR FAT FINGERS OUT YOUR EARS.

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT COPYRIGHT OR NOT, I'M THE TRUMAN, MOST OF THE STORY LINES ARE STOLEN FROM MY LIFE.

BUT I WILL SPEAK UP WHEN THE THREAD GOES LIKE THIS.

WE FILMED IT WE OWN EVERYTHING!

IT'S THE LAW!

IT'S MINE MINE MINE

YOU SUCK YOU FUCKING RETARD

HOW DARE YOU ASK A QUESTION ABOUT COPYRIGHT ON A CAMGIRL SHOW?

You're a fucking idiot. Fair Use, even as you just described, would apply to excerpts of a body of work. Movie reviews on the news show short clips. Review sites do the same. You can't display the entire body of work and claim it's Fair Use. Reviews of books quote small passages, they don't print the entire fucking book. Amazon posts 30 second snippets of songs from a CD, not the entire song/CD.

Additionally, when you do see clips of movies on TV shows, it always says "Courtesy of Paramount" or whatever studio owns the rights to the film. Studios provide the review show with clips to use...the reviews shows don't just make their own copies to use. So, using a full webcam show, recorded/copied by the viewer, is not Fair Use. Unless the cam site provides the "viewer" with copies, they are not Fair Use material.

It's not quantum physics...

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cam_girls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,968	CAM TO CAM is offered on many Camgirls sites. How does Pay Per Minute change the fact the software is the same as used for video conferencing? Put the glasses on the left on, and you can go meet someone at the park and there is an option to record the whole thing. Put the glasses on the right on, and you can go meet someone at Skype.com/session23844 or CamGirls.com/Room12 and there is an option to record the whole thing. One you can do what you want with the images you recorded, one you can't! What about a 20 guys 20 girls virtual orgy, everyone sees everyone nekked? Who owns what? Sorry about the $20 camera line, touchy subject? Hit an ego-nerve?

01-08-2011, 01:25 PM	#58
Raz Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 166	Good rule of thumb is if you're worried about the legality of what you're doing. Don't do it.

01-08-2011, 04:28 PM	#65
cam_girls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,968	Attorney's are paid to win arguments, not decide the law. Whoever's side they're on, they'll substantiate certain laws in their favor. For instance, Gene only mentioned "rights", and deliberately left out "use" of the video.

01-08-2011, 05:30 PM	#69
cam_girls So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,968	If you spent 10 years studying copyright law and never heard of fair use, you must have done some selective reading. The only answer you'll ever believe is YOU THE PHOTOGRAPHER OWN EVERYTHING 100%. I'm not going to look up case studies, you said look up WIKIPEDIA and it CLEARLY SHOWS FAIR USE APPLIES TO REVIEW SITES. FFS haven't you ever seen a movie review on TV? WHAT DID YOU SEE? A commentary on the choice of name for the movie? NO YOU IDIOT, YOU SEE 5 MINUTES OF BRAD PITT AND MEGAN FOX IN ACTION! You think 100,000 TV stations around the world paid $X million to Paramount for exemptions to the copyright? PULL YOUR FAT FINGERS OUT YOUR EARS. I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT COPYRIGHT OR NOT, I'M THE TRUMAN, MOST OF THE STORY LINES ARE STOLEN FROM MY LIFE. BUT I WILL SPEAK UP WHEN THE THREAD GOES LIKE THIS. WE FILMED IT WE OWN EVERYTHING! IT'S THE LAW! IT'S MINE MINE MINE YOU SUCK YOU FUCKING RETARD HOW DARE YOU ASK A QUESTION ABOUT COPYRIGHT ON A CAMGIRL SHOW?