How much do you think they make with this stupid billing model?

[stocktrader23]

http://www.videobox.com/tour/home/

$15.00 per month, was $9.95 for a long time.

What morons. Any idea how much it costs to buy these movies? They have to be losing money.

[Jakez]

Sarcasm?

[porno jew]

you are turning into paul markham. this how it all began years ago.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by porno jew

you are turning into paul markham. this how it all began years ago.

Not going to happen. There have been a few sites like this over the years but they're rarely talked about because either no affiliate program or nobody wants $5 revshare. I'd say they are doing pretty good though, who knows how many members they have but I know actual people that use it.

[BareBacked]

more than you and I will ever make lol

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by BareBacked

more than you and I will ever make lol

No doubt they are raking it in. Just odd it's rarely if every brought up here even though there have been 1000 discussions on where the industry is headed.

[porno jew]

i told you dozens have been doing this for years. this is no big revelation. more entering the field every month. and if you don't think clips4sale is not making money man, less posting and back to school.

[Supz]

videobox is huge. I am sure they do fine with the money they make. They have Reality Kings, Kink, Vivid and some other major production companies that they are partnered with. They have so many paying users its insane.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by porno jew

i told you dozens have been doing this for years. this is no big revelation. more entering the field every month. and if you don't think clips4sale is not making money man, less posting and back to school.

I am aware that there are dozens and I am aware that clips4sale is making bank. Clips4sale though is different in that the price point sucks and it's usually a lot of smaller operations. It's not the same as a huge company opening up their content to that billing model but with a decent price.

I only brought it up because people keep saying this would never work for porn. If there are dozens of companies doing it then how can someone say it can't be done? I wasn't trying to say that there is some untested business model that nobody is smart enough to use, I said the industry is headed this direction and get argued with by nuts. Even Paul tries to compare his $5 per month sites of a few crap images and videos and others have brought up $10 / month Reality Kings sites. Neither of those are good examples of anything but more of the same.

[jimmycooper]

I think these guys have a great model.

http://www.fyretv.com/how_it_works

And here are some interesting membership site models.

http://staggstreet.com/join.html
$4.95 for 4 days (trial) then 15.00 recurring every 30 days
$15.00 for 30 days then 15.00 recurring every 30 days
$38.00 for 90 days then 38.00 recurring every 90 days (best deal!!!)
$80.00 for 180 days (non-recurring)

http://www.cinemaerotique.com/join_main.html

$30 a month and only $10 ever two months
$40 a month non-recurring
$50 for 3 months non-recurring
$70 for 6 months non-recurring
$90 for a full year non-recurring

[Jakez]

I promote a similar site and it's 1:50-1:150 all day as much traffic as I can send. But the promotion method is key..

[Paul Markham]

The key isn't in the traffic, not in the price f a join. It's about conversion ratios and retention.

Let's say they pay $5 a month to affiliates. But the average membership is 12 months and conversion ratios is 1-200. On a mainstream porn product that could be loads of traffic, lots of them buying and staying for a long time.

Better than the one off $50 where 1-500 convert or 50% rev share on 2 months at $30?

They are obviously making money. So they must be doing something right.

[porno jew]

thread derailed.

[Jakez]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The key isn't in the traffic, not in the price f a join. It's about conversion ratios and retention.

Let's say they pay $5 a month to affiliates. But the average membership is 12 months and conversion ratios is 1-200. On a mainstream porn product that could be loads of traffic, lots of them buying and staying for a long time.

Better than the one off $50 where 1-500 convert or 50% rev share on 2 months at $30?

They are obviously making money. So they must be doing something right.

[stocktrader23]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

The key isn't in the traffic, not in the price f a join. It's about conversion ratios and retention.

Let's say they pay $5 a month to affiliates. But the average membership is 12 months and conversion ratios is 1-200. On a mainstream porn product that could be loads of traffic, lots of them buying and staying for a long time.

Better than the one off $50 where 1-500 convert or 50% rev share on 2 months at $30?

They are obviously making money. So they must be doing something right.

Paul, you have some weird ass war with those with traffic and it's clouding your judgment. Same thing with price of a join. We all know that retention matters but certain content limits you in the amount of traffic you can send. It doesn't matter if you convert 1:50 on a website with an average retention of 12 months if you can only send 50 or 100 hits per week. It is perfectly OK to promote or own a site that converts 1:50 with limited traffic availability AND promote or own a site that does 1:1000 conversions but allows you to generate millions of visits per month.

And of course price matters, I'm sure I could sell a $5000 membership at some point but I'm not going to sell 1000 of them. Traffic + conversions + retention all work together and those numbers will vary based on what kind of site it is, the kind of content offered, how old the site is and even what kind of tools are available to promote it with.

But whatever reason you hate those with traffic, you need to get over it. If I have a million hits per day I am OK. If you have a million sets of content you aren't necessarily making a dime. I can send those million hits to one of thousands of websites, start my own, buy content from hundreds of places or even send it to something completely unrelated and still make money. Now let's see you say the same about a content store with no customers or a paysite with no traffic.

[Jakez]

I really don't understand his specific hatred for the "traffic people". They sell it to people who know exactly where and how to send it and keep porn sales alive. Most affiliates just throw traffic somewhere and hope it will work and take what they can get, meanwhile oversaturating the product for themselves and everyone else.

[seeandsee]

their site could generate nice revenue and probably does, people come , see what they like, join, profit

[AHarper]

I love their rebills. I referred some users who are a videobox member for more than 8 months (each rebill at $11.76 - Processing Fees = $10.58).