Parents Threatened by TSA Before 6 Year Old was Groped, Girl then Broke Down in Tears

[Persius]

[Phoenix]

its beyond ridiculous i agree

[dyna mo]

the u.s. is not a police state but tsa needs to be reigned in.

[amateurbfs]

Where were the tears? I agree it's a waste of time and money doing this at all and especially to a six year old but that seemed to be handled rather properly by the TSA. In the end they are just doing what they're told to, you probably would do the same if that was your job.

[JustDaveXxx]

Did not see a problem with that.


There are a lot of people that will use their own children as mules to transport all kinds of things.


As long as they search everyone equally, i ok with it.

[Agent 488]

the agent seemed very gentle with the kid. there are worse things in the world.

[MetaMan]

Stop fucking whining. It's not like she was molested people need to get over it.

I turned down the body scanner each time and they give me a pat down. People need to stop being such whiny bitches.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by amateurbfs

Where were the tears? I agree it's a waste of time and money doing this at all and especially to a six year old but that seemed to be handled rather properly by the TSA. In the end they are just doing what they're told to, you probably would do the same if that was your job.

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

Did not see a problem with that.


There are a lot of people that will use their own children as mules to transport all kinds of things.


As long as they search everyone equally, i ok with it.

y'all don't have a problem with a strange adult *patting down* children?

[Agent 488]

only a pervert would see that as sexual.

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

y'all don't have a problem with a strange adult *patting down* children?

i think youre the one with the problem

do you see something sexual with a pat down involving a child? don't be disgusting

[Persius]

Originally Posted by amateurbfs

Where were the tears? I agree it's a waste of time and money doing this at all and especially to a six year old but that seemed to be handled rather properly by the TSA. In the end they are just doing what they're told to, you probably would do the same if that was your job.

the video does not show it sorry, ?Initially she was just confused,? Todd Drexel said. ?Afterward she broke down crying because she really didn?t understand what she had done wrong.? he added.

did the tsa tell them to do this too? >>>

[Persius]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Stop fucking whining. It's not like she was molested people need to get over it.

I turned down the body scanner each time and they give me a pat down. People need to stop being such whiny bitches.

You are just going for the free groping

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

i think youre the one with the problem

do you see something sexual with a pat down involving a child? don't be disgusting

where did i voice an opinion fuck wad? i don't have kids and was simply asking someone who does to expand on their view of the issue.

fuck you.

[Persius]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

where did i voice an opinion fuck wad? i don't have kids and was simply asking someone who does to expand on their view of the issue.

fuck you.

don't let gfy get to you

[halfpint]

Dont they have walk through scanners that can pick up weapons and drugs instead of doing that to kids

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Persius

don't let gfy get to you

i don't. but i do take advantage of the opportunity to hurl back some vitriol.

i guess this guy's a perv too

"This conduct is in clear violation of TSA's explicit policy not to conduct thorough pat-downs on children under the age of 13," Rep. Jason Chaffetz, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, said in a statement Wednesday.

[KickAssJesse]

They shouldn't fly if they have a problem with it...

[troncarver]

i agree if you have a problem with that kind of shit then dont fucking fly

it makes me feel all safe and warm and toasty to see videos like that

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

y'all don't have a problem with a strange adult *patting down* children?

I have more of an issue with my plane being blown up.




This is what is being done to everyone. All adults and all kids.


We have uncovered "shoe bombers," "underwear bombers" as a result of these searches.


I absolutely do not want to be on a plane that blows up because TSA missed the "Diaper" bomber.


People looking to do bad shit, do not play by any certain set of rules. Terrorist will not get you where you are expecting them try. They will get you where you least expect it. They have in the past and we would be stupid to think that it would never happen again in the future.



I have kids. A 3 year old and an 8 month old and i did not think that that TSA work did not do anything wrong. It is a job an it needs to be done as a terrorist deterrent and as safety measurement.



I will be the 1st to say that it sux, but it needs to be done. Its not like the child is being separated from his or her parents and put into a separate room to be searched without the parents present.

[dyna mo]

why even have patdowns? pretty sure el al does not do patdowns/xrays/invasive searches. they're pretty safe right? i've never flown them.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

I have more of an issue with my plane being blown up.




This is what is being done to everyone. All adults and all kids.


We have uncovered "shoe bombers," "underwear bombers" as a result of these searches.


I absolutely do not want to be on a plane that blows up because TSA missed the "Diaper" bomber.


People looking to do bad shit, do not play by any certain set of rules. Terrorist will not get you where you are expecting them try. They will get you where you least expect it. They have in the past and we would be stupid to think that it would never happen again.



I have kids. A 3 year old and an 8 month old and i did not think that that TSA work did not do anything wrong. It is a job an it needs to be done as a terrorist deterrent and as safety measurement.



I will be the 1st to say that it sux, but it needs to be done. Its not like the child is being separated from his or her parents and put into a separate room to be searched without the parents present.

i appreciate it.

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

I have more of an issue with my plane being blown up.




This is what is being done to everyone. All adults and all kids.


We have uncovered "shoe bombers," "underwear bombers" as a result of these searches.


I absolutely do not want to be on a plane that blows up because TSA missed the "Diaper" bomber.


People looking to do bad shit, do not play by any certain set of rules. Terrorist will not get you where you are expecting them try. They will get you where you least expect it. They have in the past and we would be stupid to think that it would never happen again in the future.



I have kids. A 3 year old and an 8 month old and i did not think that that TSA work did not do anything wrong. It is a job an it needs to be done as a terrorist deterrent and as safety measurement.



I will be the 1st to say that it sux, but it needs to be done. Its not like the child is being separated from his or her parents and put into a separate room to be searched without the parents present.

That shoe bomber was not caught by security he tried to set it off on the plane and it did not detonate

[CurrentlySober]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

"underwear bombers"

I bomb in my underwear on a daily basis

[dyna mo]

so el al does search baggage. i guess the trade-off is profiling eh-

Airport security measures

Passengers are asked to report three hours before departure. All El Al terminals around the world are closely monitored for security. There are plain-clothes agents and fully armed police or military personnel who patrol the premises for explosives, suspicious behavior, and other threats. Inside the terminal, passengers and their baggage are checked by a trained team. El Al security procedures require that all passengers be interviewed individually prior to boarding, allowing El Al staff to identify possible security threats. Passengers will be asked questions about where they are coming from, the reason for their trip, their job or occupation, and whether they have packed their bags themselves. The likelihood of potential terrorists remaining calm under such questioning is believed to be low (see microexpression).[38]

At the check-in counter, passengers' passports and tickets are closely examined. A ticket without a sticker from the security checkers will not be accepted. At passport control passengers' names are checked against information from the FBI, Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), Scotland Yard, Shin Bet, and Interpol databases. Luggage is screened and sometimes hand searched. In addition, bags are put through a decompression chamber simulating pressures during flight that could trigger explosives.[39] El Al is the only airline in the world that passes all luggage through such a chamber.[citation needed] Even at overseas airports, El Al security agents conduct all luggage searches personally, even if they are supervised by government or private security firms.[40]
[edit] Flight security measures
An El Al Boeing 777 landing at London Heathrow Airport. (2005)

Undercover agents (sometimes referred to as sky marshals) carrying concealed firearms sit among the passengers on every international El Al flight.[41] All El Al pilots are former Israeli Air Force pilots.[42] The cockpits in all El Al aircraft have double doors to prevent entry by unauthorized persons. A code is required to access the doors, and the second door will only be opened after the first has closed and the person has been identified by the captain or first officer.[42] Furthermore, there are reinforced steel floors separating the passenger cabin from the baggage hold.[43]

Following an attempt to shoot down an Israeli airliner in 2002,[44] all aircraft in the fleet have been equipped with an infrared countermeasures system called Flight Guard, developed by Israeli Aerospace Industries to defend them against anti-aircraft missiles.[45][46][47][48] Although comparable systems such as CAMPS are now available for civilian aircraft, there is no information to date about any other airlines deploying such a system. Switzerland and other European countries have expressed concern that flares dropped by the Israeli system could cause fires in the vicinity of an airport.[49]
[edit] Security controversy and passenger profiling

Some critics to El Al note that its security checks on passengers include extreme racial profiling[50] and have argued that such profiling is primitive, unfair, irrational, and degrading to those subject to such screening. El Al argues that there is nothing inherently racist about passenger profiling. Some argue that special scrutiny of non-Jews may often be necessary for security purposes.[citation needed] However, El Al ground personnel are often being accused of not being well trained to conduct checks in a civilized manner, and that they often tend to treat passengers in a rude way without any clear reason.

The airline was also criticized by the Hungarian courts for refusing to search luggage with the passenger present, acting against Hungarian domestic laws which stipulate that only authorized officials are able to undertake such searches.[50] A civil case was brought to the Supreme Court of Israel on 19 March 2008 alleging that El Al's practice of ethnic profiling singles out Arabs for tougher treatment.[51]

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by halfpint

That shoe bomber was not caught by security he tried to set it off on the plane and it did not detonate

I know.

But my point being is that the TSA has to be on alert for stupid shit like that.


Hey, it would be great if we can go back to the way shit was before 911, but we cant.



I dont dig on being searched or my kids being searched, but when i see all of the kids and people getting searched before me and after me the exact same way, i am OK with that.



The only thing that i will not ever be OK with is my plane being blown up, because TSA did not do there job good enough.

[DangerX !!!]

That's almost a rape! Fuck you TSA! Fucking gestapos!
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[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

why even have patdowns? pretty sure el al does not do patdowns/xrays/invasive searches. they're pretty safe right? i've never flown them.

You are correct sir, the Israelis are probably the biggest target in the world and they do not perform these kind of intrusive practices. What they do is pre-screen everyone who approaches their airports by walking up and

gasp


talking to them

Turns out a properly trained agent is able to identify behaviors consistent with a person with bad intentions. The ones they spot are segregated for further inspection. But they do not stop there, the outside screening is just the first step with people during the entire process of boarding a plane trained in what to look for.

If someone is willing to be patted down or run through a body scanner to help them feel safer then good for them, I consider it a violation of personal privacy. But who cares, just one more right we should give up for the state

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

I know.

But my point being is that the TSA has to be on alert for stupid shit like that.


Hey, it would be great if we can go back to the way shit was before 911, but we cant.



I dont dig on being searched or my kids being searched, but when i see all of the kids and people getting searched before me and after me the exact same way, i am OK with that.



The only thing that i will not ever be OK with is my plane being blown up, because TSA did not do there job good enough.

Yep sure nobody wants to get blown up in mid flight but I thought these full body scanners were the biz They could just ask the kids to remove thier shoes and walk through the scanner instead of giving them a body search

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

The security is NOT equal for everyone.

Every time I fly, it's different for me. I also see other passengers getting different treatment.

When I flew from DFW to LGA, you'd have thought I was requesting top security clearance or something. They scanned me, meticulously searched my bags, and made me take my hoodie, shoes, belts, and jewelry off.

When I came back from LGA to DFW, they didn't scan me, pat me down, NOTHING. Meanwhile, many around me were getting the full treatment.

When my best friend flew with her child, they didn't search either of them nor did they put the child's bags through the bag scanner.

So no, it's not the same for everyone.

[u-Bob]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

We have uncovered "shoe bombers," "underwear bombers" as a result of these searches.

examples? urls?

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by spazlabz

You are correct sir, the Israelis are probably the biggest target in the world and they do not perform these kind of intrusive practices. What they do is pre-screen everyone who approaches their airports by walking up and

gasp


talking to them

Turns out a properly trained agent is able to identify behaviors consistent with a person with bad intentions. The ones they spot are segregated for further inspection. But they do not stop there, the outside screening is just the first step with people during the entire process of boarding a plane trained in what to look for.

If someone is willing to be patted down or run through a body scanner to help them feel safer then good for them, I consider it a violation of personal privacy. But who cares, just one more right we should give up for the state

Can compare Israel and the US. How many people that are not Israeli flying in and out of the country of Israel? How many different ethnic groups, religious groups, color groups, foreign groups, etc fly in and out of New York daily?


I would like to see Israel's top airport security team deal with a New York airport for one week with out pat downs and just with their keen Jedi training.



In short, its easy to spot a non-Israeli terrorist in an airport, in Israel, full of Israeli people.

[czarina]

I'm against the pat downs, but the TSA lady was very respectful and didn't do anything wrong to the little girl

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

Can compare Israel and the US. How many people that are not Israeli flying in and out of the country of Israel? How many different ethnic groups, religious groups, color groups, foreign groups, etc fly in and out of New York daily?


I would like to see Israel's top airport security team deal with a New York airport for one week with out pat downs and just with their keen Jedi training.



In short, its easy to spot a non-Israeli terrorist in an airport, in Israel, full of Israeli people.

that's a good point but i would like to think the system can be adopted to work here.

[lazycash]

Where were the tears, did you make up that thread title to increase views?

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Yep sure nobody wants to get blown up in mid flight but I thought these full body scanners were the biz They could just ask the kids to remove thier shoes and walk through the scanner instead of giving them a body search

From what i understand, not all airports are equipped with them. Very, very expensive.



Im not a huge fan of these searches either guys, but dying in a plane that got blown up because we thought that hand searches were too much, is not a trade i want to make.


Im down for something better than getting me and my family felt up, but we don't seem to have it readily available.


And even where they are using scanners, people opt to not get scanned and rather get hand searched because of the radiation issue.


No matter what we do or do not do, somebody will complain.

[TheDoc]

I have kids.... a pat down is nothing, hell tug the little balls if you want.. that's a hell of a lot better than sending a growing body and brain through a crazy ass body scanner.

[criticaldotnet]

I fly several times, I have gone to second inspection many many times and they never searched me as well as they searched that little girl. I am all for safty but jesus they could of put her under the xray machine.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by criticaldotnet

I fly several times, I have gone to second inspection many many times and they never searched me as well as they searched that little girl. I am all for safty but jesus they could of put her under the xray machine.

ya much safer. wow some of you are complete idiots.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by amateurbfs

Where were the tears? I agree it's a waste of time and money doing this at all and especially to a six year old but that seemed to be handled rather properly by the TSA.

So patting own a 6 year old meanwhile some REAL potential threat is just waltzing through security is doing their job? last time I checked Al Qaeda isn't recruiting 6 year old white girls for terrorist activities.

[criticaldotnet]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

ya much safer. wow some of you are complete idiots.

do i think patdowns are a waste of time? Yes i do, i think it should be xray only.

I also believe if this was pre 911 99.9% of you posting would be against this.

A lot of you are scared.

[DWB]

I think it sends a mixed signal to a child.

Don't go with or talk to strangers, and never let anyone touch you. Except the strangers at the airport.

Just imagine what it's going to be like 10 years from now.

[dyna mo]

TSA says 10sec in XRay machine = 3min of flight.

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

ya much safer. wow some of you are complete idiots.

Body scanners emit less radiation than a cell phone ..how many kids do you see with thier face planted to one of those almost 24 hours a day

[Anal Hobbit]

If the rules say that a woman must do pat downs on other women, why shouldnt the rule also be kids must do the pat downs on other kids?

[halfpint]

The backscatter machines, meanwhile, are low-level X-ray machines that expose bodies to as much radiation as about two minutes of flying in an airplane does. In other words, if you already use a cell phone and you already fly, you are already exposing your body to more radiation than these scanners will.

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27083_3-10...#ixzz1JRAgu5m8

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

I have more of an issue with my plane being blown up.




This is what is being done to everyone. All adults and all kids.


We have uncovered "shoe bombers," "underwear bombers" as a result of these searches.


I absolutely do not want to be on a plane that blows up because TSA missed the "Diaper" bomber.


People looking to do bad shit, do not play by any certain set of rules. Terrorist will not get you where you are expecting them try. They will get you where you least expect it. They have in the past and we would be stupid to think that it would never happen again in the future.



I have kids. A 3 year old and an 8 month old and i did not think that that TSA work did not do anything wrong. It is a job an it needs to be done as a terrorist deterrent and as safety measurement.



I will be the 1st to say that it sux, but it needs to be done. Its not like the child is being separated from his or her parents and put into a separate room to be searched without the parents present.

well these people might believe in stupid things but they are not really stupid. if scanners and pat downs are being used, they are obviously going to do something that would not be detected by these things, making these methods basically useless.

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by DWB

I think it sends a mixed signal to a child.

Don't go with or talk to strangers, and never let anyone touch you. Except the strangers at the airport.

Just imagine what it's going to be like 10 years from now.

Kids are great with the truth.... explain to them what's going on, why, and what you do and don't like about it, afterward. The parents shouldn't be making a drama shit storm during that time either, the time isn't then to do that - which is another lesson kids need to learn.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by criticaldotnet

do i think patdowns are a waste of time? Yes i do, i think it should be xray only.

I also believe if this was pre 911 99.9% of you posting would be against this.

A lot of you are scared.

Um I am against it. But im not a big whiny baby. I found it funny. I wear no under wear when i wear jeans, when the guy was patting the inside of my belt line pretty sure he caught a glimpse of my junk and asked if i could hold my pants up.

these people dont want to be patting down peoples junks. you losers act like their all molesters. get the fuck over it.

Originally Posted by halfpint

Body scanners emit less radiation than a cell phone ..how many kids do you see with thier face planted to one of those almost 24 hours a day

O so you're saying extra radiation is no big deal? lol. wow some of you truly are hilarious. Hey we already get lots of radiation, lets get some more! WOO HOO! more for everyone.

[JustDaveXxx]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

that's a good point but i would like to think the system can be adopted to work here.

Im down for anything that keeps me from getting blown up in a plane.


Keep in mind if you and your family died in a plane that got blown up by a terrorist bomb and god was going to give you a "do over". A chance to get your life back and your families life back. But the "do over" had to be that TSA had to put a finger in your ass to fly and as a result of that finger in everyones ass before they boarded the plane, they stopped "the ass bomber" who if not fingered in his ass by TSA would have blown up the plane you and your family was on. What would you do?



Im no hero, but if a finger in my ass by TSA is going to bring me and my family back, im there




Look guys, im not a "would have, should have, could have" type guy. Im the guy that likes to do things once and right. "Thinking" its safe enough isn't good enough for me. "Knowing" that everything possible is being done to keep me and my family safe is everything. If that means a little more time, a few extra pats, my 3 year old daughter being pated down "in front" of me, i'm cool with that. Me and my family dying in a plane blown up by terrorists, i'm not cool with.

[MetaMan]

I have 0 sympathy for whiny parents and 0 sympathy for their whiny kids who will grow up to be whiny parents.