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Relentless · 06-04-2011, 06:32 AM

Grindr has grown rapidly in the gay market.
Social network + location proximity + mobile text communication

Wouldn't work in the straight market for porn, but a similar product for other maibstream interests might have legs.

pornmasta · 06-04-2011, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by plsureking

upgrading gfy's shitty board software to something more like fb would solve it. anybody who is anybody in adult is on gfy. its just a terrible platform.

better communication and the addition of something similar to fb wall sharing would improve the attitudes and business here on gfy.

I agree, terrible:
http://www.isecpartners.com/files/iS...ons.BH2006.pdf

Jakez · 06-04-2011, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ottopottomouse

Email if it doesn't really matter when you get a reply. Text if you want an answer about something NOW!!!!

And if someone doesn't answer my text right back I get pissed as if it's required of them to drop everything to pull out their phone and type back. lol

movieguy · 06-04-2011, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

Grindr has grown rapidly in the gay market.
Social network + location proximity + mobile text communication

Wouldn't work in the straight market for porn, but a similar product for other maibstream interests might have legs.

Totally agree, and this sort of relates to the other thread about the gay market. It's not hard to understand gay men. They are, afterall, men. You might not understand their tastes in men, but the behaviours are your own, except unfettered by gender differences. That's why Grindr is hard for regular male-female relationships but something tied to interests are not.

Ever been lost at a party or convention? You see some dude with a Canuck jacket (who you are also a fan of) and immediately, you feel like you have someone you can approach?

I will say flat out, I never believed in making straight porn social except in the very limited degrees like sharing links and videos. Trying to, may be imposing a set of rules on something that can't take it.

When Sean says there are plenty of opportunities, there is still massive room in social interactions and connections, some adult-related.

For some inspiration, think of how storytelling evolved:
oral tales -> books -> audiobooks -> movies

Porn's evolution may be in a different medium or technology, but not necessarily social.

halfpint · 06-04-2011, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

You'd guess wrong on that. As the father of 2 teens...it's texting non-stop. They only bother with computers to play games, and all the while the cellphone in their hand texting (also texting while eating dinner, watching a DVD, etc.)

You are def right on texting my two are exactly the same its non stop texting and as for online games I have had them spend $60 in one hit

The other thing my two do is spend most of thier time on facebook lol

signupdamnit · 06-04-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan

Only one type of social network will work in straight adult in my opinion: swingers.

Anything else, the secrecy around porn consumption and sex in general makes it impossible to build a social graph around it. The men on the site also have very little in common other than the porn they consume. They will likely fear that the others are somehow strange or weird people, since they might think they are somewhat themselves.

It's not like you can build a social graph purely on a porn site, there are too many gaps in it at that point.

Again, with swingers, this will work in their group, no doubt.

It's true a traditional social network will not work. But if you set it up properly and present to the user that it is private (for starters don't require them to tie it into an email account or if you do, stress privacy being respected) while making them see that there are benefits to being on the network they will use it.

What value does the social network have to the user? That is the question. For the swinger group it is meeting other people to have sex with primarily or to show off (part of the sexual height for some). Age, hair color, location, sexual interests - these things matter to swingers. But if I'm just Joe six pack interested in porn while married to my wife what do I care about these things as they relate to other average guys interested in porn? I don't.

...But I might care about what kind of content they are interested in and what they share. If they really tend to have interesting stuff (same fetish) then I might be interested in their writings on a certain sexual topic (like a blog).

Ever seen one of those "super threads" on a surfer forum where one guy posts 2,000 replies loaded with content and 1,000 different users "thank" him? That should show that it can be done and that there is a market.

A porn social network should integrate other media and presentation methods. Tubes, blogs, photo gallery, discussion forums, the works. But not just a hodge podge of different components added ars an afterthought (as is common now) but a totally integrated experience.

You would want to create a place where people feel they can go to share everything related to the porn which interests them. primarily. Secondarily you want people to want to go there to find content.

The REAL trick and draw would be in all the details and finishing touches to make the experience useful and intuitive for Joe Sixpack. How do you help him find the content he wants? How do you help him find interesting providers of content?

...Of course this would pretty much be content piracy hell without strong efforts to keep content "legal" or "acceptable". But just as with tubes and forums you can also use this as a means to make sales from teaser content as well.

If you find the idea useful and want to do me a favor, please push harder when it comes repeat infringers, Fabian.

signupdamnit · 06-04-2011, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Shap

I was just reading fast company magazine and these stats stood out

Difference in people using email from 2009 to 2010
Seniors up 28%
teens down 59%

89% of all email sent is spam

Facebook users in 2004 1mil
In 2010 600 million

Aol users in 2004 23 million
In 2010 4 million

Whatever is hot today can quickly be replaced especially if the functionalty of it is replaced with something less annoying or more user friendly. I would guess most teens are communicating over social networks because there is far less hassle. No spam, no junk, no remembering an email addy. Yesterday when the sale was announced more than twice as many contacted me by fb msg over email.

There is always opportunity and now more than ever you can get a project to 1 million users faster than ever and you can drop back to zero faster than ever. You have to stay sharp.

It will be interesting to see if tubes evolve or if they stay stagnant the way paysites did.

Tubes improved the presentation method. But what has been lacking noticeably have been innovations to making the finding of desired content easier and more intuitive. The conventional methods primarily involving keywords or search terms is rather lame and stone age. There are many possible innovations here. In general some that I consider revolve around making the presentation more adaptive to user actions and more intelligent (instead of simply relying on plain old categories and searches). But the question is can that be implemented now in scalable and realistic way now?

Icy · 06-05-2011, 02:40 AM

I think we'll still need to wait a few years for the next huge technology jump in porn, Virtual Reality.

How can porn be offered? a) images or b) real interaction.

a) Images: it can be either pics or videos. Technology has improved really fast to the point of being able to offer streamed HD videos at affordable costs (hosting). What else can you add to it? more resolution? pointless, HD is more than enough. I think we have peaked on the visual technology part. Tubes will be here for a long time.

b) Real interaction: it can mean more interaction with what you see in the videos, to feel part of it, and here we are talking about Virtual reality.

AEBN tried it with that idea about the pussy you can connect by USB and that moves synced with the videos. It was a good idea, but imho not the business model they tried to use, to pay big bucks for hardware and then also pay for a subscription. If you can cover the initial costs, the better model would be what mobile phone companies use, to offer the hardware for free or really cheap but after signing an X months membership or contract like when you join mobile phone companies.

3D could also be the next thing and technology is already there (still very basic), it fits porn perfectly.

The future could be a mix of 3D with a pussy or some kind of VR glasses or even something more advanced that is closer to Real Virtuality still to be invented, that even allows you to listen, watch, smell and touch.

The other way of interaction is social networking, but as Fabian said, i don't see an FB clone that big in porn. Maybe a social community that also acts as a hub for dating, dirty talking & flirting/showing off and 1 on 1 virtual sex through webcams could work, but have on mind that still a huge % of the users are men, so you could face the problem of most of dating programs, that have way more men that women and need to use fake female users to keep the men fooled to renew. The problem is that you can fake emails and profiles, but not 1 on 1 virtual sex.

Also one of the big points of FB is that it created trust based on the removal of the usual internet anonymity, people there have real names and surnames and i don't see it working for porn.

Porn or virtual sex is not remotely socially accepted enough to be something that most of users would want to share in public or to take risks without anonymity. What if you discover some known people in the porn social network? or even worse, you end doing 1 on 1 virtual sex with some random that ends being your neighbor? your boss/employee?? your wife??? your daughter?????? As Fabian said, it would work better for swingers.

I guess manwin is also waiting like most of us, and maybe even working on that next idea, but in the mean time, they just want to get control over as much traffic as possible, so when that next idea is developed, they just need to push it to their traffic. you can't say it is a bad business model for this waiting period. I admire what they are doing (except the usage of copyrighted content but we have enough threads about it with Paul M so we better don't start another discussion here about that).

movieguy · 06-05-2011, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Icy

The other way of interaction is social networking, but as Fabian said, i don't see an FB clone that big in porn. Maybe a social community that also acts as a hub for dating, dirty talking & flirting/showing off and 1 on 1 virtual sex through webcams could work, but have on mind that still a huge % of the users are men, so you could face the problem of most of dating programs, that have way more men that women and need to use fake female users to keep the men fooled to renew. The problem is that you can fake emails and profiles, but not 1 on 1 virtual sex.

Second Life.

It's virtual swinging for the 30+ crowd.

jigg · 06-05-2011, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatOtherGuy

You might want to think that a little more.
Gay men are an odd lot. They get there dicks sucked by complete strangers at airports. People they do not even know for more than 5 minutes.

Truck stops are quick pick up's for gay men looking for other gay men.

So when you ask that question despite what you think it is quite the reality. I can easily understand why a gay oriented social network would explode.

i'm gay and i've never had my dick sucked by complete strangers at airports. Or truck stops, don't think i've ever been to one

adultchatpay · 06-05-2011, 08:45 AM

Internet revolution is one a very fast pace. In the next few years, great thing would be put up on the web again. And we will be part of it.

Barry-xlovecam · 06-05-2011, 10:20 AM

Porn is:
a.) substitution
b.) supplementation
c.) can be "educational"
For the vast majority of porn fans it is not a social event ...

e.g., there won't be a line at pornface.com

It's for sale BTW LOL

uno · 06-09-2011, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by will76

I think the true money making idea with phones is connecting you to other people with phones, via dating type mobile site. Imagine being in a bar, mall or just driving around town and being able to log on via your phone with GPS and see were the location (or general location for privacy issues) of tons of single girls are, read their bio and see their video clips, pick the one you like an send her a wink, she checks out your bio etc... if she is interested she starts texting you. Not fake geo targeting shit, but a guy being at a bar and noticing through he phone that 2 other single chicks are there. If you both are interested then go talk in person and hook up... it surely makes it easier for dudes with no balls to meet girls a lot easier (which is 99% of the guys) and girls to be able to weed out the freaks/creeps/stalkers at lot easier then dealing with people face to face until they feel comfortable with them. I could see millions in the 18-35 crowd spending $20 a month for a service like that.

lol see my post above. So when you want to get started, next week ;) lolol.

Something similar to that is already in the works.

Nicky · 06-09-2011, 03:23 PM

A mobile dating site for the gay community would probably blow up pretty big if done right.

will76 · 06-09-2011, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by uno

Something similar to that is already in the works.

several people get good ideas, lots of them try, some even launch, very few actually pump traffic to it and make it a success. Let's see if who ever you are talking about can even get it launched.

Shap · 06-09-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky

A mobile dating site for the gay community would probably blow up pretty big if done right.

Check out grindr

bean-aid · 06-09-2011, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap

I was just reading fast company magazine and these stats stood out

Difference in people using email from 2009 to 2010
Seniors up 28%
teens down 59%

89% of all email sent is spam

Facebook users in 2004 1mil
In 2010 600 million

Aol users in 2004 23 million
In 2010 4 million

Whatever is hot today can quickly be replaced especially if the functionalty of it is replaced with something less annoying or more user friendly. I would guess most teens are communicating over social networks because there is far less hassle. No spam, no junk, no remembering an email addy. Yesterday when the sale was announced more than twice as many contacted me by fb msg over email.

There is always opportunity and now more than ever you can get a project to 1 million users faster than ever and you can drop back to zero faster than ever. You have to stay sharp.

It will be interesting to see if tubes evolve or if they stay stagnant the way paysites did.

Tubes will die out and be replaced by "virtual" tubes. Tubes that virtually have everything... an information giant. It will be collecting all information from search history, url type ins, and then mass categorize person and spam the shit out of them.

Facebook is the front runner... Manwin will follow suit

V_RocKs · 06-10-2011, 01:55 AM

So... You are trying desperately to justify being a pussy?

j/k

06-04-2011, 06:32 AM	#51
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06-05-2011, 02:40 AM	#58
Icy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 864	I think we'll still need to wait a few years for the next huge technology jump in porn, Virtual Reality. How can porn be offered? a) images or b) real interaction. a) Images: it can be either pics or videos. Technology has improved really fast to the point of being able to offer streamed HD videos at affordable costs (hosting). What else can you add to it? more resolution? pointless, HD is more than enough. I think we have peaked on the visual technology part. Tubes will be here for a long time. b) Real interaction: it can mean more interaction with what you see in the videos, to feel part of it, and here we are talking about Virtual reality. AEBN tried it with that idea about the pussy you can connect by USB and that moves synced with the videos. It was a good idea, but imho not the business model they tried to use, to pay big bucks for hardware and then also pay for a subscription. If you can cover the initial costs, the better model would be what mobile phone companies use, to offer the hardware for free or really cheap but after signing an X months membership or contract like when you join mobile phone companies. 3D could also be the next thing and technology is already there (still very basic), it fits porn perfectly. The future could be a mix of 3D with a pussy or some kind of VR glasses or even something more advanced that is closer to Real Virtuality still to be invented, that even allows you to listen, watch, smell and touch. The other way of interaction is social networking, but as Fabian said, i don't see an FB clone that big in porn. Maybe a social community that also acts as a hub for dating, dirty talking & flirting/showing off and 1 on 1 virtual sex through webcams could work, but have on mind that still a huge % of the users are men, so you could face the problem of most of dating programs, that have way more men that women and need to use fake female users to keep the men fooled to renew. The problem is that you can fake emails and profiles, but not 1 on 1 virtual sex. Also one of the big points of FB is that it created trust based on the removal of the usual internet anonymity, people there have real names and surnames and i don't see it working for porn. Porn or virtual sex is not remotely socially accepted enough to be something that most of users would want to share in public or to take risks without anonymity. What if you discover some known people in the porn social network? or even worse, you end doing 1 on 1 virtual sex with some random that ends being your neighbor? your boss/employee?? your wife??? your daughter?????? As Fabian said, it would work better for swingers. I guess manwin is also waiting like most of us, and maybe even working on that next idea, but in the mean time, they just want to get control over as much traffic as possible, so when that next idea is developed, they just need to push it to their traffic. you can't say it is a bad business model for this waiting period. I admire what they are doing (except the usage of copyrighted content but we have enough threads about it with Paul M so we better don't start another discussion here about that). __________________ Kimia: Make money with mobile traffic, both adult and mainstream Skype: sinlords - ICQ: 83-235-881 email: ivan at kimia.mobi

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06-10-2011, 01:55 AM	#68
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