Profits of Doom

Damn, you probably went to my old store, the McCook Adult Entertainment Center (also called Mccook Theater) which was right off 75 next door to the Parkside Homes shithole housing project (which oddly enough was torn down a year or so ago). I didn't own it, I just ran it and 20 other stores all over Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and Tennessee, although I was based out of Dayton and was always there. I was the tall guy with the long black hair always in a pony tail, goatee, and piercings...

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Larry Walters indicated he is defending another recent Polk County case involving a women making lewd sex noises with her window open...

http://www.wlbt.com/Global/story.asp?S=14580469

"POLK COUNTY, FL (WFLA/NBC) - A prominent Florida atheist activist has been charged with verbally simulating sex in the presence of a 10-year-old neighbor.

Ellen Beth Wachs, 48, was charged with lewd and lascivious behavior.

An arrest affidavit said she was arrested following a Saturday morning dispute with a neighbor.

According to the affidavit, the 10-year-old boy was playing basketball when Wachs yelled through her open bedroom window for him to stop.

The boy was joined outside by his father, who asserted his son's right to play the game.

Wachs then started making moans and other sounds that simulated sex until the boy and his father finally stopped playing basketball and went inside, the affidavit said."

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DWB

McCooks! That's it!

I'd hit that once or twice a month, usually late night. Always smelled like bleach.

So they tore the store down or the housing project?

That was the first store I ever saw anything of mine on the shelf. Was pretty cool at the time.

DWB

Christ all mighty.

Profits of Doom

I had to have the janitors really keep on top of the arcade area, if vice came back and saw a giant load on the floor of a video booth they would try and photograph it and use it against us. We went through phases of harassment where undercover officers would go back into the arcade area and try and catch a guy jacking off in a video booth, and then cite him for public indecency. If we could talk to the guy before he left we would have Lou Sirkin defend him in court and we usually won since the arcade was not considered a public area (you had to pay a dollar to get into the back), but vice would often block us from talking to them, or they were so embarrassed they would just pay the fine in court and move on. Vice just wanted to have enough citations against us so they could try and shut us down as a public nuisance, but when they finally tried Lou beat their asses in court.

The Parkside Homes were tore down a few years ago I believe. In November of 2005 Deja Vu bought that particular store and made it a Love Boutique, and I left in March of 2006. The store isn't 24 hours anymore and Deja Vu pretty much killed it by trying to make it an upscale boutique, which is not what people in that area wanted. It's a fucking shame since I made a ton of money over the years at that store, but the times they are a changing...

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it would seem (to me) a good case to appeal to the SC to try & overturn the obscenity laws once & for all. I know thats a pipe-dream. But the idea of people going to jail in america for "obscene" speech is way beyond outrageous. Our country protects the KKK, the westboro church, & sarah palins right to speak. But shoot a porno & go right to jail.

DWB

What a shame. The sleaze of the store was part of the attraction. I'm pretty sure I dropped a few loads in your booths.

Profits of Doom

I have to admit I really miss that place, the shit that I've seen over the years would blow most people's minds (although it would probably seem tame to you ) I always said I was going to write a book one day about the 10+ years that I ran porn stores...it would have sex, drugs, and violence, everything that would ensure a best seller. I know you live in Thailand now but do you ever make it back to Southern Ohio?

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DWB

I miss a couple friends and some family, and I miss being there in the fall. Other than that... nope. It's too crowded now and anywhere nice that was undeveloped, they build neighborhoods there and mini-shopping plazas. I can't tell one area from the next now.

It's been about 5 years since I've been there, but I may swing through later this year for a week.

You prob have some insane stories from working in a porn store with stroke booths. Can only imagine.

prezzz

Nothing a bit of make-up wouldn't fix.

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They only made $700 a month?

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Polk County again? Why does anyone still live there?

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That's respectable for a single Clips4Sale store, depending on how many updates they were doing, the niches they were serving, the quality of their content and how much of their own promotion and traffic (if any) they were sending.

DaddyzHome

So, was it because they lived in Polk County, or because they filmed their content there? If they lived there, but filmed / operated their business in a neighboring county, would that be illegal still?

dev777

obscenity prosecution without the physical shipment of porn?

and a few months ago, they went after the author of a pedo book. Extradited him all the way from Colorado.

Answer me this..

If polk county can take down people out of their jurisdiction, as well as websites that dont even do mail order.. what's keeping them from going after youporn or some of the other US based tubes?

PornoMonster

I think many many years ago there was a small town in Utah that was doing the same thing. Going and getting people in any state, just the fees, and computers confiscated would shut down many small business websites.

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MrMaxwell

What ever happened with this? I'm assuming that they were convicted... ?? Or did it go farther up ?

VenusBlogger

what a bunch of nazis...

seriously.

TheSwed

One country one law in most of the places. No locals laws

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The husband said the couple made an average of $700 monthly for the past four months.



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MrMaxwell

I don't know if they only had a c4s store that sounds right I suppose.. who knows, though? You really going to tell the authorities what you're making when they're out for your blood??

Does anyone know what happened... for sure.. I'd think that it would have been a pretty important case

xNetworx

Sad sad sad - Amerikkka

DaddyzHome

Adult Performer Kimberly Kupps Agrees to Obscenity Plea Deal

http://www.xbiz.com/news/news_piece.php?id=144932

Quentin

DaddyzHome posted the update while I was writing my post.

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Rochard

What did they do on the videos to make them obscene?

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V_RocKs

I guess the other 2,800 counties in the USA were all full.

Far-L

As I understand it, Polk is used as a place for the Feds to get convictions, which is how they went after Max. He didn't actually make porn in Polk. Nor did he actually sell a single unit himself in Polk. His distributor sold a few mail order copies to a dummy customer set up by the Feds in Polk. Total entrapment if you ask me. Our tax dollars hardly at work if you ask me.

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On a happier note, years ago I worked with Rodney Moore on the gangbangs he used to shoot. He shot Kimberly Kupps at my studio in downtown Los Angeles on the nights the riots started.

Say whatever about her, no one looks good getting hauled in for booking and mug shots, but she has more honest to goodness sex drive in one nipple of her big crazy boob job tit than most so-called porn stars will have in a lifetime of pretend insatiableness.

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DaddyzHome

Max was prosecuted in federal court in Hillsborough County, not Polk.

MrMaxwell

Thanks... I couldn't find it


I think this is her on fetlife

https://fetlife.com/users/90497

Far-L

My bad, thought is was Polk but doesn't change the fact of how the Feds "shop" the prosecutions in favorable jurisdictions.

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peterk

sounds like a lovely place.

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

Looks like Grady Judd knows a thing or two about cheap suits (among other things)...





Judd seems like another grandstanding racist religious nutjob with a badge and a bible like Sheriff Arapaio in AZ.



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MrMaxwell

So as I understand the whole thing.. It didn't end up in a higher court or set any precedents because she plead no contest rather than pleading guilty? Or because the conviction was only a misdemeanor?

JP-pornshooter

reminds me of Buford T. Justice

when y'all get into town?

when y'all planning on leavin' 'gain?

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Joe Obenberger

@The Swed. You're in a small and pretty ethnically homogenous country - that, during decades of Soviet hegemony permitted no adult book stores at all - without any tradition of federalism - and so "contemporary community standards" makes absolutely no sense to you. Let me try to explain why it is as it is.

Until the Supreme Court decided the Miller case in 1973, the standards applied in all obscenity cases here - both in federal and state courts - were US National Standards. The whole country, the United States. As a result, the same standards were applied in judging the obscenity of works in small, south Alabama towns as those tried in Manhattan. Many conservatives, especially those in rural communities were upset. They saw it as the federal government trying to tell them how to form the moral dimensions of the community in which they were raising their children. They were outraged.

You can chalk it up to Richard Nixon's appointments to the Supreme Court, and his notion of "the New Federalism" that the Supreme Court determined that each local community had the right to establish the line between what the First Amendment protected and what was criminal obscenity. Look, I don't agree, I'm just explaining what happened. Miller was a reaction to the social upheaval of the late Sixties and early Seventies and protected the rights of communities to reject what was going on in New York's Times Square, San Francisco's Tenderloin, etc., and this reaction arose at a pre-internet time when all porn was distributed in bookstores or by mail order. You can read the language which introduced and justified local community standards in Part III of the decision in Miller on my site: http://www.xxxlaw.com/cases/miller.html The Chief Justice thought that national standards were illusory, a fiction, that in fact there was no national consensus about moral values, about what the nation accepted. It was, if truth be told, a fractious era without national cohesion, cultural, moral, political, or otherwise, and the court was addressing an industry with local brick and mortar distribution for the most part, and so the balance was drawn in favor of the local community. Some states wanted no part of such parochialism and either by state action or by judicial determination, rejected local standards and applied state-wide standards in their criminal obscenity prosecutions. A table I prepared about those states, a couple of years old, is found here: http://www.xxxlaw.com/obscenity/statetable.html

The US is widely diverse in ways CZ can barely imagine. Hell, CZ could not even hold Slovakia after the Russians left which is just a more rural and more religious version of CZ speaking a dialect of the same language! But in Bratislava, SK, to religious conservatives, Jan Hus was not a hero but a heretic who got what he deserved, and that moral difference between Slovak and CZ - and some of the old urban vs. rural difference, fragmented a country that had been united by external pressures for seventy years. Here, we have wide swaths of the country with different histories, different prevailing religions, different cultures. Between network TV and radio, the internet, and national newspapers, we're getting more homogenous now, too. But Miller made some sense when the regional differences were stronger, when the role of religion was stronger and more dominant, and when porn distribution was more than 95% over the counter. So long as there are brick and mortar stores selling porn, it's likely that local community standards will continue to govern them. So long as we remain a federal republic, states will have the concurrent power to punish pornography.

Just a couple of years ago, in deciding an obscenity appeal coming out of Phoenix, the Ninth Circuit ruled that local community standards are inappropriate to judge the obscenity of material distributed exclusively via the Internet. You can also find the Killbride case on my site, here: http://www.xxxlaw.com/cases/killbride.html The holding of Killbride was rejected by the 11th Circuit in Max Hardcore's ill-fated appeal and by the trial judge in John Stagiano's case, and those decision are also found on my site.

Underlying all of that is the notion - hard for most Europeans outside Switzerland to understand, that we are a federal republic, that our national government is a government of limited powers, not broad or plenary, and that our states are the first-line government which regulates most matters in our daily lives; they are sovereign and have plenary powers limited only by the US Constitution and federal laws that are enacted within its limitations. We are subject to criminal laws enacted in the states by their inherent power. The federal government's obscenity laws can be enforced only when they have some connection to interstate or international commerce, but addmittedly, it doesn't take much to pass that hurdle. Until five years ago, there was no federal statute punishing the creation of obscene matter, because that was considered too "local" for federal regulation.

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Joe Obenberger

@swed again - still contrasting the relative homogeneity of CZ with the diversity of the US - I was typing so fast to reply to you that I forgot to mention the single biggest concrete example! And it's not the secession of the Slovaks, it's the expulsion of the Germans, the Danube Germans and others who'd lived in what is now CZ for hundreds of years, preserving their language in their own schools and churches and maintaining an only partially-integrated culture. The expulsion of the ethnically German civilian population from wide swaths of Eastern Europe, including CZ, one of the least-known, but largest acts of genocide in world history, left CZ far less diverse and far more homogenous.

We are the opposite here in the US. We've welcomed people from every corner of the globe, and for the first 140 years or so, with the solitary exception of the Chinese Exclusion Act, the doors were wide open for everyone. Sometimes, they even dragged people of other races in wearing chains. As a result, every big city and many rural areas include ethnic enclaves. With assimilation over the generations, some have become less identifiable, but others, like the Greeks and Italians and Sicilians maintain a presence and have been joined by new groups like the Filipinos, Koreans, Chinese, Mexicans and South and Central Americans. Part of the governance of an ethnically diverse nation is to try to strike a balance in law that satisfies as many elements as possible, and those balances do change depending on geography.

I don't like the decision in Miller and I'm against any and all obscenity laws. I am against the application of local community standards to anything transmitted online. But the contrary decision of the courts can't be called irrational - just wrong.

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