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Agent 488 · 06-20-2011, 11:36 PM

why would anyone out what's working in this day and age?

so others can copy them and steal their techniques and niches? brag about sales online for the irs and ex-wives can see?

makes no sense in 2011. not everyone is an egomaniac.

Robbie · 06-20-2011, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

Just to clarify, that $6400 was the commission to one Topbuck's affiliate rep for one month, which translates to 6400 new affiliate sales ($1 per sale commission, rebills not included). According to that thread their other reps have to produce at least 500 new sales each month, so clearly there are some affiliates still producing many sales. I feel you though, my ratios continue to decline across the board.

And with no disrespect to Top Bucks...I personally haven't had big sales with them since maybe 2003.

I have tried their mobile stuff the past week with my new mobilepornhunter.com site. And that's at 0:964 so far.

We also don't know exactly how those dollar joins came in. For all I know they could have been x-sales or some other kind of email spam sales. I just don't know.
Or maybe somebody just went into complete overdrive with everything they have and pushed nothing but $1 Top Bucks across whatever network they have?

Robbie · 06-20-2011, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Agent 488

why would anyone out what's working in this day and age?

so others can copy them and steal their techniques and niches? brag about sales online for the irs and ex-wives can see?

makes no sense in 2011. not everyone is an egomaniac.

What's to "out"? If we promote the same site. But mystery dude claims to be able to get people to join that site in droves while you send people and they don't join in droves...hey, the tour is the same.

I'm getting plenty of people to paysite tours. They just DON'T buy. Instead, they check out the tour, make a mental note of the girls names, and then head over to porn bb dot org or something similar and begin searching for that scene for free.

That's where this whole discussion take an abrupt 180 to me.

There is no magical land where people don't know about all the FREE shit. There is no magical place where the economy is not in the shitter. And there is no magical fairy dust that some unidentified billionaire whale affiliate supposedly sprinkles on people to make the same exact tour that you send people to suddenly convert for them and not you.

Chris GAMBA · 06-21-2011, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

What exactly does an afilliate do to make a customer rebill? Nothing.

What does a program do to make a customer rebill? Constantly add new content with up updates, interaction, cam show and so on. Thats all work done by the program.

All the affiliate did is send the customer in the right direction to make the sale. I understand that takes a great deal of work on the affiliates part as well but it has absolutely nothing to do as to whether the customer rebills or not.

The retention of the customer is due to the performance of the website NOT the work of the affiliate. Its a great deal for the affiliate to receive any rebills.

I don't care if its " The Deal ". Its not written in stone and it appears this program is up front and clear with their terms so there is no deception. Its an adapt or die scenario.

To bitch about not receiving rebills after one year is in my opinion, greedy.

Sorry pal, you are totally clueless as to what a revshare program is, you're thinking about pay per signup.

Forkbeard · 06-21-2011, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie

Times are indeed getting desperate. And it's unclear to me that my services as a 100% affiliate are even viable anymore. I'm starting to feel like a blacksmith, or a telephone operator...like my job is becoming obsolete.

I'm not feeling quite as bleak about it as you are, but we are definitely experiencing the same trends my man. I'm branching out into ebook publishing and teaching myself HTML5 so I can do stuff that works better on mobile devices -- I'd be doing apps if the leading platform wasn't a walled garden owned by an anti-porn zealot (fortunately, he'll be dead soon, and good riddance to him!) My blogging network still brings a trickle of affiliate cash, but the bulk of my bills get paid for by brokered advertising (mostly JuicyAds) and at least half of that advertising is short-term and gives the impression of being desperation efforts by people still trying to find a way to sell the unsellable.)

My point in posting about the "pay on rebills for a year, then stop" model was not to claim that programs shouldn't use it, if that's what makes business sense to them. My point was to ridicule the attempt to label that model "revshare". At this point revshare has both a universally-understood meaning and a solid complex of business reasons why it works for publisher and affiliate alike; this model is not faithful to that meaning and does not support those reasons. It's every bit as "fake-revshare" as the fake PPS programs that convert your account (retroactively) to revshare if they decide they aren't getting enough cross-sales and upsells from your signups to justify the PPS numbers they pretended to agree to pay you (AFF, looking at you...).

justinsain · 06-21-2011, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris GAMBA

Sorry pal, you are totally clueless as to what a revshare program is, you're thinking about pay per signup.

I know the difference between revshare and PPS.

The original topic was about a program putting a cap or limit or expiration date on an affiliate's rebill which in this case was one year.
The industry standard is the affiliate gets the revshare from the rebill for the life of that rebill.

potter · 06-21-2011, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

The industry standard is the affiliate gets the revshare from the rebill for the life of that rebill.

There is no such thing as an industry standard. This is a business and a company can set whatever damn rules it wants to. A company could start a paysite tomorrow and pay a bag of oranges for each sale if they wanted to.

You people need to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for yourselves instead of just bitching about what everyone else is doing. If you're not getting rebills for as long as you want, you have no one else to blame but yourself. PERIOD.

justinsain · 06-21-2011, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by potter

There is no such thing as an industry standard. This is a business and a company can set whatever damn rules it wants to. A company could start a paysite tomorrow and pay a bag of oranges for each sale if they wanted to.

You people need to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for yourselves instead of just bitching about what everyone else is doing. If you're not getting rebills for as long as you want, you have no one else to blame but yourself. PERIOD.

By " industry standard " I meant what the majority of companies do and what is generally acceptable. I DID NOT mean it to be its the law and EVERYONE must do it.

Forkbeard · 06-21-2011, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by potter

A company could start a paysite tomorrow and pay a bag of oranges for each sale if they wanted to.

But if they call it revshare, it's a lie.

icymelon · 06-21-2011, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by justinsain

If I understand this to mean that the affiliate gets the rebills for up to one year and after that the affiliates run ends and the continued rebills after one year go to the program.

The affiliate's job is to get a sale.

To get any continued rebills is pretty generous on the programs part.

To expect rebills after one year when ALL THE WORK done to keep the customer rebilling is DONE BY THE PROGRAM is in my opinion extremely greedy.

that made me laugh

06-20-2011, 11:36 PM	#51
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	why would anyone out what's working in this day and age? so others can copy them and steal their techniques and niches? brag about sales online for the irs and ex-wives can see? makes no sense in 2011. not everyone is an egomaniac.