Domain valuation : buyipodnano.com - GoFuckYourself.com

Deputy Chief Command · 08-30-2011, 11:31 AM

this domain was registered in 2005 and I have basically done nothing with it since

right now I want to try and sell it but I dont know how much I should ask for assuming I would be able to find somebody who want it

at first I thought around $500 but am not too sure .. is that too much ? is $200 more likely be a good value for both buyer and seller ? or is it just useless crap worth about

I frankly have no idea , and before I am going to go on domain forums trying to sell it I wanted to see if GFY had an opinion ..

http://www.buyipodnano.com .. empty 6 year old domain

WHOIS - buyipodnano.com

Registrar: SPOT DOMAIN LLC DBA DOMAINSITE.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Dates: Created 07-sep-2005 Updated 07-sep-2010 Expires 07-sep-2011
DNS Servers: NS1.1X9.NET NS2.1X9.NET

any feedback appreciated

Sly · 08-30-2011, 11:34 AM

I would not pay much for a trademarked name from such a powerful company.

Harmon · 08-30-2011, 11:35 AM

You should have done something with it in 2005 to be honest. Nanos are well and on their way out the door. They are more or less useless these days as the prices of personal handheld devices continue to decline in price.

Keyword, SEO'd splash page or two and redirect it to Amazon as an affiliate and cross your fingers.

That's pretty much what I would do with it.

Deputy Chief Command · 08-30-2011, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I would not pay much for a trademarked name from such a powerful company.

true, but I think you should be ok if

a/ you use it to promote apple products
b/ you get it at a good price so you can get your money out of it quick so if apple does notice the domain and wants to claim it you are not at a loss

Deputy Chief Command · 08-30-2011, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Harmon

You should have done something with it in 2005 to be honest. Nanos are well and on their way out the door. They are more or less useless these days as the prices of personal handheld devices continue to decline in price.

Keyword, SEO'd splash page or two and redirect it to Amazon as an affiliate and cross your fingers.

That's pretty much what I would do with it.

sounds like you have huge plans for this domain

you want to buy it off me and see how you can do with it ?

Harmon · 08-30-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

sounds like you have huge plans for this domain

you want to buy it off me and see how you can do with it ?

Sorry man, I am not trying to rip into your thread... just giving you my outlook on what is presented to me. I love you bro. I *might* be interested ... for the right price

lazycash · 08-30-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

true, but I think you should be ok if

a/ you use it to promote apple products
b/ you get it at a good price so you can get your money out of it quick so if apple does notice the domain and wants to claim it you are not at a loss

You won't be, you'll get a C&D from Apple. The domain is essentially worthless, anyone that buys it, is taking a huge gamble. It would be one thing if it was a super hot product that you could make a quick buck on, but the nano is fading and not going to get a ton of searches.

arock10 · 08-30-2011, 12:15 PM

zero dollars

DVTimes · 08-30-2011, 12:18 PM

do people still buy nano's?

Deputy Chief Command · 08-30-2011, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lazycash

You won't be, you'll get a C&D from Apple. The domain is essentially worthless, anyone that buys it, is taking a huge gamble. It would be one thing if it was a super hot product that you could make a quick buck on, but the nano is fading and not going to get a ton of searches.

they are still for sale on the apple website and the product gets updated regularly .. the searches for "buy ipod nano" have been constant in the last few years . there was a peak in 05 - 06 after that it went down a bit but has stayed constant for 5 years straight

I think there is still some value in it .. but of course you are right that the product is not as hot as it was in 2005

Deputy Chief Command · 08-30-2011, 03:25 PM

people wanting this domain , feel free to make an offer.

marlboroack · 08-30-2011, 03:29 PM

They don't make nano's anymore do they?

I'll take it. ICQ me

CYF · 08-30-2011, 03:39 PM

domain includes well-known trademarks.

Value: $0. Possible negative value due to C&D, UDRP, or lawsuit.

Deputy Chief Command · 08-30-2011, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by marlboroack

They don't make nano's anymore do they?

I'll take it. ICQ me

ok ICQ sent

Deputy Chief Command · 08-30-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CYF

domain includes well-known trademarks.

Value: $0. Possible negative value due to C&D, UDRP, or lawsuit.

I have owned the domain since 2005 without any hassle

Allison · 08-30-2011, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

I have owned the domain since 2005 without any hassle

That's the point. If it doesn't do much as a domain you are more likely to go under the radar, but if you develop it, you increase your risk. If you ever attempt to trademark it you will definitely be hit. So I guess a buyer who is just interested in keeping it low key might be interested, but anyone really looking to develop it would avoid it so that limits its value and potential.

Denny · 08-30-2011, 05:03 PM

Worthless.

CYF · 08-30-2011, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

I have owned the domain since 2005 without any hassle

That doesn't mean shit

AdultKing · 08-30-2011, 05:11 PM

I'd be letting that domain drop and hope I wasn't sued in the meantime.

Deputy Chief Command · 08-30-2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CYF

That doesn't mean shit

how does a 6 year track record not mean shit?

Deputy Chief Command · 08-30-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

I'd be letting that domain drop and hope I wasn't sued in the meantime.

I think if apple did want to claim it I can just give it to them ..

the domain is only to be used for the promoting of apple products.. I think it should not be too much of a big deal

suesheboy · 08-30-2011, 06:35 PM

Wouldn't ever touch that name...

CYF · 08-30-2011, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

how does a 6 year track record not mean shit?

http://techcrunch.com/2010/01/07/apple-domain-names/
http://www.udrpsearch.com/search?que...search=parties
http://www.udrpsearch.com/search?que...search=parties

These are just UDRP decisions. Many of the domains were years old, just like yours. I'll let you do the research on lawsuits and C&D.

Your domain is worthless. Apple is very good about protecting their trademarks.

What you are doing is cybersquatting.

Deputy Chief Command · 08-30-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CYF

http://techcrunch.com/2010/01/07/apple-domain-names/
http://www.udrpsearch.com/search?que...search=parties
http://www.udrpsearch.com/search?que...search=parties

These are just UDRP decisions. Many of the domains were years old, just like yours. I'll let you do the research on lawsuits and C&D.

Your domain is worthless. Apple is very good about protecting their trademarks.

What you are doing is cybersquatting.

I have the impression you don't really understand what the UDRP is or how it works..

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Paragraph 4(a) of the ICANN UDRP Policy requires that Complainant must prove each of the following three elements to obtain an order that a domain name should be cancelled or transferred: (1) the domain name registered by Respondent is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark or service mark in which Complainant has rights; and (2) Respondent has no rights or legitimate interests in respect of the domain name; and (3) the domain name has been registered and is being used in bad faith.

so according to the UDRP policy in this case only point (1) is fulfilled , it is indeed a trademark and I have no real rights to it, but point (2) is pretty interesting.. do I have a legitimate interest? I would say Yes I have if I want to sell Ipod Nano's and final point (3) is an easy one .. obviously I am not handling in bad faith if I use the name to sell Ipod Nano's

example from the links you gave to give my stance some credibility :

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Complainant argues that Respondent?s <ipodnano.com> domain name resolves to a website soliciting Internet user?s personal information, presumably for marketing leads, by offering a ?giveaway? of ipod nanos. The Panel finds that Respondent?s use of the disputed domain name to redirect Internet users to Respondent?s website soliciting personal information by promising a ?giveaway? of ipod nanos, presumably for financial gain, does not constitute a bona fide offering of goods or services pursuant to Policy ¶ 4(c)(i) or a legitimate noncommercial or fair use pursuant to Policy ¶ 4(c)(iii).

This guy was not using ipodnano.com to sell ipodnano's but rather to get personal information from people looking for information on ipod nano's . If that guy had just sold ipodnano's on it , or made a site about the nano I think there would never have been an issue

So I am not too sure if the wording in the links you provided is too hard for you too understand or something ? but basically it contradicts everything you are trying to say. Why would you provide links that speak in my favor ?

PromoterX · 08-30-2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

I have owned the domain since 2005 without any hassle

That's because you haven't made a dime from it yet. Just try putting up a page with a banner on it and see what happens.

Like other have said... get rid of it... the domain is useless.

Deputy Chief Command · 08-30-2011, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PromoterX

That's because you haven't made a dime from it yet. Just try putting up a page with a banner on it and see what happens.

Like other have said... get rid of it... the domain is useless.

I am guessing you did not bother to check the domain ;) http://www.buyipodnano.com

has been like this for quite a while ..

Deputy Chief Command · 08-30-2011, 09:36 PM

I thank people for giving me advice, but I don't think it is ever going to be a big deal owning a domain like this.

Apple is not seeking damages from persons that own apple related trademarks. So we are not talking big risks here. If they send a Cease and Desist you just transfer it to them , end of story.

DaddyHalbucks · 08-30-2011, 10:08 PM

I am going to say -$400,000

Since it contains a famous, registered, and distinctive trademark, it is a huge liability.

PromoterX · 08-30-2011, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

I am guessing you did not bother to check the domain ;) http://www.buyipodnano.com

has been like this for quite a while ..

Yeah well even though they have lawyers on the payroll, doesn't mean they won't use them.. it's all relative - risk vs reward - why spend 2 grand getting a domain from some guy who's made like 20 bucks off the domain. Now if you were doing some serious traffic on it, i'm sure they would "invest" time in getting it back.

It's all about money in the end.

I didn't check it... your right! But i've seen this thread on GFY so many times I lost count.... seriously.

helterskelter808 · 08-30-2011, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Deputy Chief Command

This guy was not using ipodnano.com to sell ipodnano's but rather to get personal information from people looking for information on ipod nano's . If that guy had just sold ipodnano's on it , or made a site about the nano I think there would never have been an issue

So I am not too sure if the wording in the links you provided is too hard for you too understand or something ? but basically it contradicts everything you are trying to say. Why would you provide links that speak in my favor ?

First, I don't know where you get the idea you have any kind of "rights or legitimate claim" to the name buyipodnano.com. I'm going to hazard a guess that buyipodnano.com is not your legal name, and you're not Apple, Inc, therefore you have zero rights or legitimate claims to the name.

As to the third element:

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The Panel, in addressing the last element, bad faith, explained that Respondent?s use of the disputed domain intentionally caused a likelihood of confusion. Additionally, Respondent commercially benefitted by gaining marketting leads through the web site. For these reasons, the Panel found this third element was satisfied.

If simply collecting names and addresses is considered 'commercially benefiting' I'm pretty sure the actual making of money (via Amazon and Google) is too.

Fact is, if you really believed what you were saying, and really thought it was possible to make money with the domain, without any hassle from Apple, you would have spent the last 6 years doing it, rather than being too terrified to use it in case Apple noticed.

However, there are always people stupid enough to buy useless names with trademarks (ahem), so work out what you have made in the last 6 years, divide by six, and that's the value.

Personally, I would just let it expire.

Deputy Chief Command · 08-31-2011, 01:03 AM

why are you inter-mixing point 1 and 2 ?

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

First, I don't know where you get the idea you have any kind of "rights or legitimate claim" to the name buyipodnano.com.

(2) Respondent has no rights or legitimate interests in respect of the domain name;

I have an impression you don't really know what "legitimate" means so I post the definition here for you to slowly read and wrap your mind around.

The part in bold applies to this case.Able to be defended with logic or justification So you are stating I can not defend with logic or justification that I have reasons to own the domain name buyipodnano.com?

You don't see the logic in me wanting to own buyipodnano.com to use to sell ipod nano's ? It is my legal right to sell Ipod nano's if I want to, or refer people to websites where they can buy Ipod nano's. If this is my legal right to do so then don't I have a more than acceptable logic for wanting to own the domain name buyipodnano.com?

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le·git·i·mate
adjective /liˈjitəmit/

Conforming to the law or to rules
- his claims to legitimate authority

Able to be defended with logic or justification
- a legitimate excuse for being late

(of a child) Born of parents lawfully married to each other

(of a sovereign) Having a title based on strict hereditary right
- the last legitimate Anglo-Saxon king

Constituting or relating to serious drama as distinct from musical comedy, revue, etc

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

I'm going to hazard a guess that buyipodnano.com is not your legal name, and you're not Apple, Inc, therefore you have zero rights or legitimate claims to the name.

this indeed is point 1 and yes I obviously am not apple.inc

(1) the domain name registered by Respondent is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark or service mark in which Complainant has rights;

(3) the domain name has been registered and is being used in bad faith

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

As to the third element:

If simply collecting names and addresses is considered 'commercially benefiting' I'm pretty sure the actual making of money (via Amazon and Google) is

I think the main issue here was that he was using their name to make money. Anyone that sells ipod nano's in any kind of setting is automatically also doing that. But of course with one big difference they are actually selling apple products. Best Buy uses Apples name and trademarks in promotions/ on their website/ in print ads/ and what not. This of course is acceptable as they are selling apple products. Amazon does it . All retailers do it. This is not the issue. The issue is using the name and not selling apple products. I am not doing this.

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Fact is, if you really believed what you were saying, and really thought it was possible to make money with the domain, without any hassle from Apple, you would have spent the last 6 years doing it, rather than being too terrified to use it in case Apple noticed.

I do believe you can make money refering sales to amazon.com. Amazon uses apple images and brand names in many banners and text ads. This is allowed because they are selling apple product. With buyipodnano.com you can make commision on every sale you send to amazon. I think in this kind of setup legally you should not have too many issues.

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

However, there are always people stupid enough to buy useless names with trademarks (ahem), so work out what you have made in the last 6 years, divide by six, and that's the value.

Personally, I would just let it expire.

I thank you for your opinion but I never drove traffic to this domain and thus I did indeed barely made any money off it. But I don't think anyone picking up this domain for a couple of hundred bucks who can incorporate this domain in a strong mainstream network will have any issues making his money back.

bottom line, you need to have a pretty wild imagination to come to the conclusion that using buyipodnano.com to sell ipod nano's on constitutes to "bad faith"

helterskelter808 · 08-31-2011, 02:17 AM

Edit: Ah, fuck it. You asked for feedback and act like a jerk when people tell what you don't want to hear. Do what you want with your name.

cherrylula · 08-31-2011, 05:39 AM

I've let better domains that were like 10 years old drop. Domains are becoming less relevant, the trademark thing, and its just a stupid url. Wouldn't take it if you gave me $20 too.

woj · 08-31-2011, 07:03 AM

Does it get any traffic?

Deputy Chief Command · 09-01-2011, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

Does it get any traffic?

not that I know of

08-30-2011, 11:31 AM	#1
Deputy Chief Command Deputy Chief Command Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,482	Domain valuation : buyipodnano.com this domain was registered in 2005 and I have basically done nothing with it since right now I want to try and sell it but I dont know how much I should ask for assuming I would be able to find somebody who want it at first I thought around $500 but am not too sure .. is that too much ? is $200 more likely be a good value for both buyer and seller ? or is it just useless crap worth about I frankly have no idea , and before I am going to go on domain forums trying to sell it I wanted to see if GFY had an opinion .. http://www.buyipodnano.com .. empty 6 year old domain WHOIS - buyipodnano.com Registrar: SPOT DOMAIN LLC DBA DOMAINSITE.COM Status: clientDeleteProhibited Dates: Created 07-sep-2005 Updated 07-sep-2010 Expires 07-sep-2011 DNS Servers: NS1.1X9.NET NS2.1X9.NET any feedback appreciated __________________

08-30-2011, 11:34 AM	#2
Sly Let's do some business! Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 31,296	I would not pay much for a trademarked name from such a powerful company. __________________ Vacares - Web Hosting, Domains, O365, Security & More - Paxum and BTC Accepted Windows VPS now available - just $50/mo Wanted: CCBill pay sites for sale

08-30-2011, 11:35 AM	#3
Harmon ( ͡ʘ╭͜ʖ╮͡ʘ) Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 20,005	You should have done something with it in 2005 to be honest. Nanos are well and on their way out the door. They are more or less useless these days as the prices of personal handheld devices continue to decline in price. Keyword, SEO'd splash page or two and redirect it to Amazon as an affiliate and cross your fingers. That's pretty much what I would do with it. __________________ [email protected]

08-30-2011, 12:15 PM	#8
arock10 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,218	zero dollars __________________ Sup

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Deputy Chief Command Deputy Chief Command Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,482	people wanting this domain , feel free to make an offer. __________________

08-30-2011, 03:29 PM	#12
marlboroack So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: ☣ Posts: 9,327	They don't make nano's anymore do they? I'll take it. ICQ me

08-30-2011, 03:39 PM	#13
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08-30-2011, 05:03 PM	#17
Denny Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 17,245	Worthless. __________________

08-30-2011, 05:11 PM	#19
AdultKing Raise Your Weapon Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Outback Australia Posts: 15,601	I'd be letting that domain drop and hope I wasn't sued in the meantime.

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08-30-2011, 09:36 PM	#27
Deputy Chief Command Deputy Chief Command Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,482	I thank people for giving me advice, but I don't think it is ever going to be a big deal owning a domain like this. Apple is not seeking damages from persons that own apple related trademarks. So we are not talking big risks here. If they send a Cease and Desist you just transfer it to them , end of story. __________________

08-30-2011, 10:08 PM	#28
DaddyHalbucks A freakin' legend! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada USA Posts: 18,975	I am going to say -$400,000 Since it contains a famous, registered, and distinctive trademark, it is a huge liability. __________________ Boner Money

08-31-2011, 02:17 AM	#32
helterskelter808 So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,405	Edit: Ah, fuck it. You asked for feedback and act like a jerk when people tell what you don't want to hear. Do what you want with your name. Last edited by helterskelter808; 08-31-2011 at 02:24 AM..

08-31-2011, 05:39 AM	#33
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	I've let better domains that were like 10 years old drop. Domains are becoming less relevant, the trademark thing, and its just a stupid url. Wouldn't take it if you gave me $20 too.

08-31-2011, 07:03 AM	#34
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