Value of a link from own site vs. 3rd party site - GoFuckYourself.com

peter22 · 10-09-2011, 04:07 AM

If a value of a link from third party website is 100, what would be the value of the link from that website if it would be owned by me? (for Google SEO; given that all other variables are the same) - 10? 50? 100?
Have you done any tests on this? What are your experiences?

And if I want to make my websites look like they have different owner, what should I be careful about? Besides different domain whois, class C IP, content and design. What about referrer code in my affiliate links?

Thanks...

raymor · 10-09-2011, 07:39 AM

All the experts I tasked to, the ones who get results versus talk, say different IPs, whois, etc. is a waste of time.

Let's consider the simplest case of a single domain with thousands of pages, all of which link to to one page. Think geocities, with thousands of pages all linking to the geocities home page. What those links are "claiming" is that the home page is the most important of all the pages. That claim is true! So Google had no need to weed that out. The PR algorithm, working as it normally does, just learns which of your pages is the main page.

Without incoming links from sites with PR, your feeder pages have little PR to pass, so there is no problem that Google needs to solve by looking at IPs.

The value of a link for PR is dependent on two numbers - the PR of the page doing the linking, and the number of links on the page. For example, if a page has a raw PR score of 1000, that's 1000 PR points it wil pass to it's links. If the page has 10 links, each gets 1/10th of the PR, or 100 raw PR points.

blackmonsters · 10-09-2011, 07:51 AM

That stuff is bullshit.

Build a decent site and google and will recognize that.

cherrylula · 10-09-2011, 11:37 AM

holy shit, 2/3 posts with business info.... wow. amazing! now quit it.

CyberHustler · 10-09-2011, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

That stuff is bullshit.

Build a decent site and google and will recognize that.

And that's just the bottom line from my personal experience...

AzteK · 10-09-2011, 11:50 AM

It would be difficult to give it an actual value.

I don't think it matters so much the site was "owned" by you than the authority of the site it's getting it's link from. The authority of the site you're getting your link from and how you're linked are determining factors in the signal Google receives for that link. The true authority of a site and the importance of the link depends on many many factors such as the age of the linking site, the age of the link itself, the relevancy of the content/site, social presence...and the list goes on. There are over 200 ranking signals Google uses. My point being is there is so much more involved than you just being the owner of the site or not.

AzteK · 10-09-2011, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

That stuff is bullshit.

Build a decent site and google and will recognize that.

As this maybe true and it is the BASIC premise of it all, if this was the only thing you needed to do all people would do is build decent sites and SEO wouldn't exist.

CyberHustler · 10-09-2011, 12:02 PM

Most SEO is like the religious mumbo jumbo of the webmaster world lol... "if you serve the big G this way, you will enjoy every lasting life in front page heaven". A lot of SEO guys have a Creflo Dollar aura about them.

peter22 · 11-09-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AzteK

The true authority of a site and the importance of the link depends on many many factors such as the age of the linking site, the age of the link itself, the relevancy of the content/site, social presence...and the list goes on.

That is very useful and eye opening post. Thanks... But in my scenario I'm assuming that these factors stay the same.
Although some comparison of their relative importance to PageRank would be interesting.

I just wanted to know if google discounts links from sites with the same IP, whois or where it assumes that the owner is the same.

10-09-2011, 04:07 AM	#1
peter22 Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7	Value of a link from own site vs. 3rd party site If a value of a link from third party website is 100, what would be the value of the link from that website if it would be owned by me? (for Google SEO; given that all other variables are the same) - 10? 50? 100? Have you done any tests on this? What are your experiences? And if I want to make my websites look like they have different owner, what should I be careful about? Besides different domain whois, class C IP, content and design. What about referrer code in my affiliate links? Thanks...

10-09-2011, 07:39 AM	#2
raymor Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,745	All the experts I tasked to, the ones who get results versus talk, say different IPs, whois, etc. is a waste of time. Let's consider the simplest case of a single domain with thousands of pages, all of which link to to one page. Think geocities, with thousands of pages all linking to the geocities home page. What those links are "claiming" is that the home page is the most important of all the pages. That claim is true! So Google had no need to weed that out. The PR algorithm, working as it normally does, just learns which of your pages is the main page. Without incoming links from sites with PR, your feeder pages have little PR to pass, so there is no problem that Google needs to solve by looking at IPs. The value of a link for PR is dependent on two numbers - the PR of the page doing the linking, and the number of links on the page. For example, if a page has a raw PR score of 1000, that's 1000 PR points it wil pass to it's links. If the page has 10 links, each gets 1/10th of the PR, or 100 raw PR points. Last edited by raymor; 10-09-2011 at 07:44 AM..

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blackmonsters Making PHP work Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: 🌎🌅🌈🌇 Posts: 20,134	That stuff is bullshit. Build a decent site and google and will recognize that. __________________ You mad as fuck because you suck. You have no life.

10-09-2011, 11:50 AM	#6
AzteK Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Northern Cali, USA Posts: 3,423	It would be difficult to give it an actual value. I don't think it matters so much the site was "owned" by you than the authority of the site it's getting it's link from. The authority of the site you're getting your link from and how you're linked are determining factors in the signal Google receives for that link. The true authority of a site and the importance of the link depends on many many factors such as the age of the linking site, the age of the link itself, the relevancy of the content/site, social presence...and the list goes on. There are over 200 ranking signals Google uses. My point being is there is so much more involved than you just being the owner of the site or not. __________________ WANTED: Buying Blog Posts and Links Last edited by AzteK; 10-09-2011 at 11:53 AM..

10-09-2011, 11:37 AM	#4
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	holy shit, 2/3 posts with business info.... wow. amazing! now quit it.

10-09-2011, 12:02 PM	#8
CyberHustler So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 23,783	Most SEO is like the religious mumbo jumbo of the webmaster world lol... "if you serve the big G this way, you will enjoy every lasting life in front page heaven". A lot of SEO guys have a Creflo Dollar aura about them.