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Old 12-20-2011, 11:41 AM   #51
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hey jonny. FYI, flying an airplane is not that hard. there is a stick, some peddles, & a throttle. if you sit in a simulator for a couple weeks, its not hard to simply turn a plane or make it got up & down. move the stick to the left! move the stick to the right! pull it back to go up. not that hard.

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like being a conservative is something to be proud of.
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And hit two targeted, adjacent buildings by guys who ON RECORD couldn't fly at all? Impossible
you are very persuasive. just say its impossible, & it is so.

i guess america was to blame for that whole british invasion thing in 1775 as well.

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mr. paul's story might have a ring of truth if not for the muslim scum killing non-muslims from all countries all over the world.
he's a short list, not too many of which involve Americans.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
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And hit two targeted, adjacent buildings by guys who ON RECORD couldn't fly at all? Impossible
The first time I ever put foot into an airplane I was fifteen years old and fifteen minutes later I was flying it. It was a Navion and kind of a civilian version of the P51 Mustang. Flying a plane in the air is as simple as driving a car...it is take offs and landings that require some practice. I flew it around for about an hour that day...and yes I turned it around and yes I could have flown it into a building if I had chosen to do so.
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People fighting over make believe Gods and invisible lines on a map really is something else
you sound so intelligent and intellectually above it all.
tell me, when during the course of human history was this NOT the case?




exactly. you see, it really ISN'T "something else"
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A 757? Into a targeted building? Then have your buddy hit an adjacent building?
All airplanes are flown the same way as any other airplane. If the plane would have been a 757 instead of a Navion that day I could have flown it in the air just as easily...and hit a building with it as well.
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For those pilots to have hit the WTC buildings was relatively easy. The pilot that flew into the Pentagon horizontally instead of vertically had a more difficult task.
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It is something else. They fight over make believe religions and gods that were programmed into them from birth by the elite and fight over invisible lines on a map that don't exist which were programmed into them from birth by the elite.

It doesn't, well it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out whats going on here. Unfortunately, propaganda and brainwashing is difficult to overcome
you completely missed the point of what he said... not surprisingly.

are books evil brainwash propaganda too? is this why you avoid them completely? to learn the truth through youtube?
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It is something else. They fight over make believe religions and gods that were programmed into them from birth by the elite and fight over invisible lines on a map that don't exist which were programmed into them from birth by the elite.

It doesn't, well it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out whats going on here. Unfortunately, propaganda and brainwashing is difficult to overcome
please point to a specific time in history where man has not fought over religion and borders. The only thing the "elite" and "brainwashing" has to do with it is tin foil.
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Wow, way to ruin an important thread Johnny and Franck...
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What are you talking about?

Only brainwashed people would fight over invisible gods and invisible lines in the sand...the elite have always been around
sure kid.

and the elite have always brainwashed everyone else.

son, the muslim scum are attacking and killing everyone who's not them. thats not brainwashing, thats a fact. now you can pat yourself on the back about how right you are while their cutting off your head but thats not the argument I want to win.
I guess you're good with it.
because, you know
you're not brainwashed.
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Wow, way to ruin an important thread Johnny and Franck...
what is so important about a thread about a misguided old man and his rambling thoughts about why muslims hate everyone else?
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what is so important about a thread about a misguided old man and his rambling thoughts about why muslims hate everyone else?
Did you even read the first 2 posts? Doesn't sound like it. Most of it was citing other people's research, not even really Ron Paul's personal opinions.
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Did you even read the first 2 posts? Doesn't sound like it. Most of it was citing other people's research, not even really Ron Paul's personal opinions.
I read it. they're wrong.
did you read MY link?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

over 18,000 deadly attacks since 9/11/2001 almost none of the victims were American.

So much for their theory.
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If the Chinese army was in your backyard bombing and killing your friends and family would you be mad at them?
would the chinese be the make believe elite brainwashing me in this scenario?
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I read it. they're wrong.
did you read MY link?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

over 18,000 deadly attacks since 9/11/2001 almost none of the victims were American.

So much for their theory.
This thread is about why certain people wish to do the United States harm. Also there isn't really anything "theoretical" about it, it's backed up by facts (and common sense).

Where did anyone say that people in the world don't wish people other than Americans harm? No one said that.

We're talking about the motives for the 9/11 attacks, and you're going on about "well there have been certain Muslims who killed people in other countries." lol, we're not talking about motives for killing Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq, we're talking about motives for wanting to attack America.
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This thread is about why certain people wish to do the United States harm. Also there isn't really anything "theoretical" about it, it's backed up by facts (and common sense).

Where did anyone say that people in the world don't wish people other than Americans harm? No one said that.

We're talking about the motives for the 9/11 attacks, and you're going on about "well there have been certain Muslims who killed people in other countries." lol, we're not talking about motives for killing Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq, we're talking about motives for wanting to attack America.
I understand that you posted this because you believe paul and his ilk. what I was showing you is that all of these 18,000 other terrorist killings had nothing to do with the US but yet the peaceful, loving, muslims still committed them.
you still won't get it but thats ok.
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Its almost impossible what those two planes did. Ask any pilot at an airport and they'll tell you the same thing. You can't just fly into a building, nevermind TWO buildings nevermind one at a time. Virtually impossible
what ?

you cant fly a plane into a building ?

you can fucken fly it in to anything you want
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I understand that you posted this because you believe paul and his ilk. what I was showing you is that all of these 18,000 other terrorist killings had nothing to do with the US but yet the peaceful, loving, muslims still committed them.
you still won't get it but thats ok.
Why are you saying "peaceful, loving, muslims?"

Who said that all Muslims are peaceful and loving?

That's like saying all Christians are peaceful and loving when we all know there are many Christians who have committed horrible crimes against other people.

No one ever said that Muslims ONLY attack the U.S.

It is possible to have a certain grievance towards one person and attack them for it and then have a completely different grievance towards another person and attack them for it, especially if we are talking about different "attackers." You seem to like to label billions of people as the exact same thing.
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I understand that you posted this because you believe paul and his ilk. what I was showing you is that all of these 18,000 other terrorist killings had nothing to do with the US but yet the peaceful, loving, muslims still committed them.
you still won't get it but thats ok.
spoken like a true christian fucktard
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Why are you saying "peaceful, loving, muslims?"

Who said that all Muslims are peaceful and loving?

That's like saying all Christians are peaceful and loving when we all know there are many Christians who have committed horrible crimes against other people.

No one ever said that Muslims ONLY attack the U.S.

It is possible to have a certain grievance towards one person and attack them for it and then have a completely different grievance towards another person and attack them for it, especially if we are talking about different "attackers." You seem to like to label billions of people as the exact same thing.
thats my point. the muslim scum have a grievance towards everyone.
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thats my point. the muslim scum have a grievance towards everyone.
That is so ignorant I'm not even going to address it...
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I read it. they're wrong.
did you read MY link?

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

over 18,000 deadly attacks since 9/11/2001 almost none of the victims were American.

So much for their theory.
In 2010, 14,748 american christians, jews, muslims, kids etc. were killed in the US itself by american "scum", many of which probably call themselves christians... I love it when people like you post lists like that and make some broad statement that is meaningless and misleading at best without any real context.
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12clicks is a great example of what has happened to the mindset of many Americans due to propaganda: they have been taught to hate Muslims.
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Doesn't really matter who wrote it, it's the truth. You wouldn't know though... you didn't even read it because you have the attention span of a 12 year-old like most people.
tldr;

but generally I completely agree with Ron Paul's stance on this specific issue. It's obviously blowback and its obvious they don't hate our freedom. (i'm assuming the thing you posted is about that.) Bin Laden has said himself that if he hated freedom he would have attacked Sweden.
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That is so ignorant I'm not even going to address it...
No, YOU'RE so ignorant you CAN'T address it.
Your idiot argument that it's OUR fault is exposed by the 18,000 acts of terror since 9/11 committed by Muslim scum NOT directed at Americans.
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I don't know why anyone wouldn't give credibility to extremists reasons for wanting to destroy America. That doesn't mean I don't love America -- but I realize that everyone has their own causes- and in their minds, the US is evil.

That doesn't mean we should let them kill us first.
The other night I was talking to one of my brother-in-law's best friends. He repeatedly brought up the bullshit "we have to fight them over there so they don't attack us over here." line. I told him it took 19 guys with $1 box cutters and a big number of them are college educated.

Some goat herder in afghanistan is going to have a much harder time getting a green card or visa to enter the country. I talked to my sister about it the next day and she basically said they have to believe that to carry out their mission. They have to think god is on their side and there is a point to it all.

As far as I'm concerned, we got al qaeda and killed bin laden. We should pull out and let that country devolve further into the clusterfuck its eventually going to be anyway. The only reason we have to stay in afghan now is to help the gov't get the resources out of their semirecently discovered natural resources that could be worth trillions. That would give the gov't stability.

My sister's husband died earlier this year in afghanistan in a war that should have been more or less 'won' almost a decade ago. Bush fucked that up and put our resources in Iraq. That was a wrong war that never should have happened.
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Most of whom were jailed, none of which were supported monetarily by other Americans or cheered by other Americans.
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I love it when people like you post lists like that and make some broad statement that is meaningless and misleading at best without any real context.
I love it when unintelligent trolls like yourself dismiss 18,000 deaths by terrorism all committed by one religion against all others.
I'm sorry that the context was over your head and the concept too broad for your small mind to understand.
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12clicks is a great example of what has happened to the mindset of many Americans due to propaganda: they have been taught to hate Muslims.
Stickygreen is a great example of what has happened to the mindset of many Americans due to propaganda: they have been taught to ignore facts that don't agree with their fantasy world view.
Similar to what the trash believe of the 1%
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It pretty hard to intervene in something without choosing a side;
therefore, when we intervene and choose a side we have also chosen the enemy.

We blame the monster for what he did at the end of the movie Frankenstein, but
shouldn't we also consider blaming Dr. Frankenstein for creating the monster?

Stop creating monsters because they will rise to kill your ass.
Um, I'm picking nits again, but the monster was and was supposed to be the sympathetic character of the movie.
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Old 12-20-2011, 07:11 PM   #90
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right. you also think the unabomber & tim mcveigh are blameless as well. it was the governments fault there too. because they said so.



murderers are just murderers pal. it doesnt matter what excuse they use. I guess OJ simpson had a valid reason to cut his wifes throat too?
One of my very good friends in high school's father was murdered by the unibomber.
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Old 12-20-2011, 07:14 PM   #91
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Seriously, where the hell do you get the idea that it's near impossible to fly a plane into a big ass tower? Wtf? Where do you people find this stuff? And don't you have any common sense whatsoever?
yeah, no one ever accidentally flew into the empire state building either. /sarcasm
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Old 12-20-2011, 07:17 PM   #93
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Two planes hit two separate buildings at different times...I mean CMON thats absolutely absurd to think a couple of arabs who couldn't even fly and were border line retarded could do that. The plane was over Michigan or some state. So what did they do? Type in "Destination: World Trade Center Tower 1" ?? Impossible
Have you even read anything about 9/11 aside from conspiracy sites? Just about everything you've said is 100% wrong and easily debunked/looked up. Some of these dudes were college educated in engineering in THE WEST. Germany in particular in the case of Attah.
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So did they coordinate with each other and say "oh I'll hit tower 1 and make sure you hit tower 2 an hour later"?

If these buildings were targeted, then these guys were the greatest pilots in the history of mankind
Yeah and Sully totally wasn't a good enough pilot to land in the hudson river.
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Most of whom were jailed, none of which were supported monetarily by other Americans or cheered by other Americans.

I love it when unintelligent trolls like yourself dismiss 18,000 deaths by terrorism all committed by one religion against all others.
I'm sorry that the context was over your head and the concept too broad for your small mind to understand.
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Personally, I don't believe anything in history books
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mr. paul's story might have a ring of truth if not for the muslim scum killing non-muslims from all countries all over the world.
he's a short list, not too many of which involve Americans.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Yeah totally. Christians also haven't done the same thing for about 2000 years.
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Stickygreen is a great example of what has happened to the mindset of many Americans due to propaganda: they have been taught to ignore facts that don't agree with their fantasy world view.
Similar to what the trash believe of the 1%
Are you accusing him of watching Fox News?
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