If they shutdown all the mega porntube sites. Will it be like 1999 again?

[meka2003]

Can they really shutdown xvideos, redtube, etc etc???

Would the porn industry be against this.. what u guys think?

[Klen]

In shortly,no.

[Roald]

it wont matter much anymore as they will find something else

[brassmonkey]

no no no time does not go backwards video is not going away

[porno jew]

how did the filelocker closures increase your sales?

[pimpware]

If they shutdown all the mega porntube sites. Will it be like 1999 again?

It's already like 1999 since Mega is down, if they shutdown ALL of them then we will sell like 1929

[CyberHustler]

It's over like disco.

[meka2003]

the days of tommys bookmarks will be back

[DEA]

There is way too much free porn online to ever go back to 1999.

You can google all the free porn you want in any niche.


face it..another 10 years and nobody will be paying for it.

...ask any 18yr old if he pays for porn and he will laugh at you..

[iSpyCams]

Cat will not go back in bag.

[DWB]

Of course not. There are other issues at hand.

1) Bad global economy

2) Fewer credit cards (almost 100 million less)

3) Tons of free porn still online

4) Right now someone is trying to figure out how to fuck it all up IF all the piracy sites did come back. Trying to find a way to fuck everyone else over to profit anyway they can. So even if sales did come back, it would be short lived because of the type of short sided dick heads that are drawn to this business.

5) Some people are doing just fine despite piracy.

If you don't know how to make money NOW, you will not make money if all the pirate sites close. Period.

[seeandsee]

No, but if they shut down all illegal tubes, file shares and forums, then it will be like 2001-2003 :D

[GetSCORECash]

Only for new customer who WON'T simply go to the FREE content first and then get to a Membership site asking them to pay.

I do believe sales will go up, but not by much.

[Best-In-BC]

Originally Posted by FORGOTMYSCREENNAME

There is way too much free porn online to ever go back to 1999.

You can google all the free porn you want in any niche.


face it..another 10 years and nobody will be paying for it.

...ask any 18yr old if he pays for porn and he will laugh at you..

lol, of course he's still fucking young, wait 10 years when he's seen almost everything and is sick of it and whips out that cc for a cam/ dating or most likely imo a solo girl site member ship.

[baryl]

There's a stigma attached to paying for porn so plenty of people won't admit to it even though they do.

[SmutHammer]

people have learned you don't have to pay for porn. if most free porn was gone, it would still take a while for people to understand it is something you pay for.

would be nice if we could flip a switch and make anything x-rated be member area only.

[baryl]

In 1999 how many adult payties were around as well as affiliate webmasters promoting those sites?
The amount of competition these days is more of a factor than free porn available I'd think.

[jerryb]

Even tho I have many porn sites listed on my domains I'd never be able to survive in this industry with income from them with all the FREE stuff out there. That is why I heavily promote phonesex. Live sex chatting with someone is something that is very very hard to find out there for free. My phonesex income increased almost every month since the early 1999 golden goose egg days and is still going strong. Never understood why more people haven't saturated the market. Grab some numbers from the companies listed in my tags and start today. You will be glad you did. Omega is the best one by far with the .69 cent one being a close second in succesful call ins. Then, in the future, remember I told you so.

[porno jew]

[BlackCrayon]

there was piracy in 1999..anyone remember moviemart?

[baddog]

Then they can work on shutting down TGPs, right?

[Paul Markham]

I like this thread. Will bookmark it.

[FreeHugeMovies]

Originally Posted by roald

it wont matter much anymore as they will find something else

whore!!!

[uno]

It can't hurt.

[fuzebox]

If this happened I would start a new tube site

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by fuzebox

If this happened I would start a new tube site

lolz
so would everyone

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by meka2003

If they shutdown all the mega porntube sites. Will it be like 1999 again?

[pimpmaster9000]

Traffic is king. Traffic costs money.

Pirate porn tubes value is exclusively based on the traffic they have. No discussion end of story. More traffic = more $$$.

Now if you take out the big players all the traffic will not "magically reorganize" to other new sites but will be left in limbo. People will not know the "new places" by magic, marketing costs $$$$. Opening up a "new tube" once the big name tubes are taken down will mean nothing without traffic. Being a new tube in a saturated market AND having to pay for traffic to give stale content away mostly for FREE is not a good model to be building a NEW user base around.

What will be left are the old legal tubes and the membership sites.

I do not see the market coming back to 1999 but anybody who invests in anything pirate related is in for a nasty surprise real soon.

Also there will always be money in quality content.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by FORGOTMYSCREENNAME

...ask any 18yr old if he pays for porn and he will laugh at you..

18 year olds are typically not the target market.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by baryl

In 1999 how many adult payties were around as well as affiliate webmasters promoting those sites?
The amount of competition these days is more of a factor than free porn available I'd think.

Although I can see how one could look at it that way, I have to disagree.

There are also WAY more people online than 1999. Yes, there are a shitload more sites but considering how lazy affiliates have gotten since 1999, REAL affiliates and/or self efficient programs could easily make strong comebacks if all the free shit wasn't available.

[porno jew]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Now if you take out the big players all the traffic will not "magically reorganize" to other new sites but will be left in limbo. People will not know the "new places" by magic, marketing costs $$$$.

there is a whole new onslaught of tubes that are growing quick, shadier than the first round and are growing big by paying people to send traffic to their videos.

if the top 20 tubes today shut down they would be replaced within a week.

[xanadu]

Originally Posted by porno jew

there is a whole new onslaught of tubes that are growing quick, shadier than the first round and are growing big by paying people to send traffic to their videos.

if the top 20 tubes today shut down they would be replaced within a week.

+1....

plus its not gonna happen...like youtube will never go down. Most of the top 20 tubes operate fully legally nowadays and sooner or later all big ones will... Of course not all the top20 ones will be there next year, some will drop and others will take their place, law of life...

[Fap]

megaporn was hardly the reason they shut down megaupload's network

[Major (Tom)]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

there was piracy in 1999..anyone remember moviemart?

phatforums etc heck even deluxepass got big buy using redlight district movies long before the retards at rld even knew what the interwebs were.
ds

[versa]

Originally Posted by meka2003

Can they really shutdown xvideos, redtube, etc etc???

Would the porn industry be against this.. what u guys think?

I thought Redtube was a legal tube now?

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by crucifissio

Traffic is king. Traffic costs money.

Pirate porn tubes value is exclusively based on the traffic they have. No discussion end of story. More traffic = more $$$.

This is the thinking that has killed more $$$$ than it ever created. More often then not more traffic = less money. Yes you need traffic to get the chance to sell to people, but the method we used has killed more sales than it ever made. It also in 10 years taught millions of people not to pay for porn.

Sales = $$$$ Traffic merely gives you the chance to sell to more. give them the product you're trying to sell to them. It destroys sales. Selling to 1 in 100, never meant selling to 10 in 1,000 for very long. In theory it should of, in practice the main way of getting the additional 900 was giving away more free legal porn. Individuals will say otherwise, yet we all know what's happened to ratios over the last 15 years.

I understand putting up a website is easy, getting porn is easy, getting traffic is easy (OK getting it in the numbers required to make a sale isn't hard. Getting it in the numbers today to make a living is.), putting up a free gallery given to you on someone elses site is easy and so is the rest. This led to the race to leap frog each other in giving away free porn and here in 2012 is where we are today.

Everything being so easy was the problem. There was nothing to cull out the lame and this brought down so much. The quality of the product, the direction of marketing by the producers, the attitude towards the customer, allowed in the scam artist and the amount sold.

Now if you take out the big players all the traffic will not "magically reorganize" to other new sites but will be left in limbo. People will not know the "new places" by magic, marketing costs $$$$. Opening up a "new tube" once the big name tubes are taken down will mean nothing without traffic. Being a new tube in a saturated market AND having to pay for traffic to give stale content away mostly for FREE is not a good model to be building a NEW user base around.

What will be left are the old legal tubes and the membership sites.

I do not see the market coming back to 1999 but anybody who invests in anything pirate related is in for a nasty surprise real soon.

The few benefits will be felt by the dating and webcam sectors. However they might have to pay more for traffic as a lot of the competition will be gone.

The hardest thing to change is someones culture, the culture today is "Porn is free." The biggest savings will be on the cost of keeping pirated content off piracy sites.

Also there will always be money in quality content.

But rarely was enough money spent to create quality content. Online never competed with offline in the price for quality content, except in a few cases. When offline was dead a few made their way over to shoot for online companies. Listening to some fools talk here, our content is crap. Yet we earned 10 times more on our crap content than the shooters online selling to sponsors.

Now expect people tell me I'm wrong or a fool without saying why. Because that will show the flaw in their thinking.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by AaronM

Although I can see how one could look at it that way, I have to disagree.

There are also WAY more people online than 1999. Yes, there are a shitload more sites but considering how lazy affiliates have gotten since 1999, REAL affiliates and/or self efficient programs could easily make strong comebacks if all the free shit wasn't available.

Do you think all the free porn will suddenly disappear?

Putting up free porn is so easy I can do it. And that's been the same way since long before you and I met online. And nothing will change it except a law saying porn has to go behind an Adult Verification.

I thought Redtube was a legal tube now?

Remove the piracy operation ad there will be more traffic on legal Tubes, less piracy sites for advertisers and traffic buyers to feed off. So it's logical the legal Tubes will be charging more for their ads or traffic. Redtube going 100% legal is logical then.

The argument "How long will people keep wanting to look at old content?" is illogical. How long will it take for him to consume everything and ignore the ads to buy something take? Also factor in the sites giving Tubes free porn.

[Barry-xlovecam]

• There is no such thing as a reliable adult verification -- a 13-year-old can buy a prepaid VISA Card today.
• The demographics of the Internet audience has changed dramatically in the past 5 years to include many from developing countries with less disposable income and this has influenced the 1996 v. 2011 conversion rate also.
• We have not been in the best of economic times in the past 4 years either -- this is also an influence.
• In the current environment we managed our best year since we started in 2004 so there is still money to be made for those that know how to.

To our business the forced closing of megaupload and it's ripple effects will have a negligible affect. These file storage sites are of a questionable business model (with regard to copyright infringement), they are receiving big traffic and making their money in two ways; 1.) selling that traffic generated 2.) offering premium service memberships.

There are a few buyers in their traffic -- the cost of the traffic is cheap so it can be possible to make a return but from what I see, you get what you pay for ...

We are near releasing into production a mainstream, mobile oriented social network and I am looking for both image recognition and copyright moderation software as the content will be user uploaded -- the cost of manual moderation of this content will be costly and cut into our advertising profits.

Maybe we can sell ads for red dots to Indians and chopsticks to Chinamen -- people can only buy what they can afford to pay cash for or obtain credit for and this has not changed throughout history.

Some people still own horse carts and need buggy whips but damn few ...

[DWB]

Originally Posted by xanadu

Most of the top 20 tubes operate fully legally nowadays.

You need to stop smoking whatever it is Fabian has you under contract to smoke.

The top 20 porn tubes are FULL of non-authorized content, a lot of which got there via in-house uploaders. The ONLY thing they do is remove content when they get a DMCA on it.

[dillonaire]

Never will happen. in 1999 sites didnt have to compete with facebook, dating sites, cam sites, twitter, vice, break, etc.... The market is a lot more diverse and fragmented with millions of sites competing for users attention. in 1999 there wasnt much to do on the internet. Jerkoff and talk shit on boards.

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Do you think all the free porn will suddenly disappear?

I don't recall saying or implying anything like that.

[grumpy]

they will always pay for webcam, quality will only get better.

[Fabien]

Originally Posted by jerryb

Even tho I have many porn sites listed on my domains I'd never be able to survive in this industry with income from them with all the FREE stuff out there. That is why I heavily promote phonesex. Live sex chatting with someone is something that is very very hard to find out there for free. My phonesex income increased almost every month since the early 1999 golden goose egg days and is still going strong. Never understood why more people haven't saturated the market. Grab some numbers from the companies listed in my tags and start today. You will be glad you did. Omega is the best one by far with the .69 cent one being a close second in succesful call ins. Then, in the future, remember I told you so.

I have been trying for years now and it's not picking up as i wanted too. I don't trust the tracking system of the phone sponsors. Not that they deliberately shave, but it's so easy to loose a sale.

[adendreams]

I hear VHS is making a comeback too

[backalleynetwork]

Originally Posted by adendreams

I hear VHS is making a comeback too

lol

[mikesinner]

No but it will be like 2008 for awhile.

[adultmobile]

The torrent sites should be stopped too, and I not mean just thepiratebay. Everyone see the million viewers of xvideos and xhamster, or even of filesonic's and oron's from Alexa and advertising networks who sell impressions there. But there's increasing million people using torrent you can't measure or track as its p2p, and even if ISPs to try filter out torrent traffic per government request, there's slower speed solution that would be adopted if fast traffic is filtered out, such as freenet or else:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_P2P

Don't forget if you go in a street market in places such as Kiev you find for sale DVD's with site rips of anything from met-art to hustler, for a dollar, and anyone can put these in filesharing the same day all the sites are shut down, reaching quickly USA, Australia and west europe where credit card owners live.

So with many busts we can go back 2009 each time, but never 1999... at the time people was paying well for shareware, I was into doing utilities put for $20 for sale and selling so many - there was not yet free opensource software for do everything - it happened the same for software, just it is legal those kids made free-everything softwares.

Even cam shows (only the models who wish, not all) are free now, and that's live, so no more 1999 for cams too. Still people like to pay for "something", find what they pay for and give up if you sell what they no more pay for, easy as 1-2-3.

[NaughtyVisions]

Originally Posted by gamelinkjeff

...in 1999 there wasnt much to do on the internet. Jerkoff and talk shit on boards.

Some things never change...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by AaronM

I don't recall saying or implying anything like that.

You did say.

REAL affiliates and/or self efficient programs could easily make strong comebacks if all the free shit wasn't available.

Did you not?

Originally Posted by grumpy

they will always pay for webcam, quality will only get better.

The migration to paying for pre recorded porn to getting it for free has been a continual migration that has grown over the last 15 years, from a trickle to a flood. The income from pre recorded porn is a shadow of what it was. In time the only major art of the business will be webcams, even dating will move over to the free model. I doubt if it will take as long as the demise of porn.

Webcams will never ever replace the income of what the porn industry used to make. Yes the quality will get better, the income will never rival the income of the mainstay of the porn industry, online and offline.

[Paul Markham]

No and here's the proof.

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1056240