dave90210

Judging from the photo evidence, his side of the story and his right to protect himself I can say I would find him innocent. If he let him bash his head into the cement any more he could have died from head truama. Clearly he was over powered and took the proper steps to protect himself

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Phoenix

bring a gun? check
follow young boy around a neighbourhood and chase him when he runs away from you? check

unload your gun into a young boy? check

going to jail for murder? maybe not

getting shot while trying to grocery shop two months after getting off...i hope so.

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vdbucks

The irony here is that you have proven your intent to see him murdered if set free whereas all the speculation that you guys claim about what might have happened is nothing but fantasy in your head.

Not to mention, wanting someone murdered is 100 times worse than zimmerman, whether he's found guilty or not; simply because you are showing both premeditation and intent.

The Dawg

Doesnt matter if he got his head bashed in. He brought that upon himself.

Thats like complaining that you got mauled after going into a lion's cage. If he hadn't tried to be a hero none of this would have happened.

pornguy

The autopsy of the kid shows he was shot from an intermediate range. That sounds to me like the kid had backed off and it should have ended there.

Im no fan of the kid, as I think the kid was the one doing the burglaries. but still.

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there is no irony...i dont carry a gun....nor do i follow people around like a jack ass.

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candyflip

Where did you get your info? For days now you've been spouting off false info about this case. You are coming across as a stupid idiot, and I really didn't think you were.

He fired one shot. He didn't unload his gun.

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one shot or 5...the result is what will matter...dead kid.

Let's not argue over small details as to what unload your gun means....because unloading your gun should actually mean, you take the bullets out. I mean if you wanted to get literal and all that jazz.

What is wrong? did he not follow the kid around? did he not get out of his car? did he not tell the 911 dispatcher he was following the kid...and they responded we dont need you to do that?
did he not fire a bullet into a young boy, from what now appears to be not close up...so they fought the kid backed off..and zimmerman shot him ONCE

go to jail..dont collect 200

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baddog

Seriously? Weird vigilante attitude you have.

What is odd, is that the report I read said intermediate equaled 3-4" - I thought that seemed pretty close for intermediate, but they said there were powder burns.



Luckily we have trials down here. I am really surprised that you did not jump in ti intervene and thereby saving Martin's life. You must have been there since you seem to know with such precision what went down.

Are you accepting blame for not getting involved?

Tom_PM

We were lead to believe since the beginning that Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend during this incident, and that MAYBE if it were true her story would be very important in determining what happened.

Wonder why that phone record isn't being leaked to media also.

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Phoenix

ok i get it Lloyd..you are a bad ass...that will shoot someone down

Martin obviously deserved to be killed.
Can you explain to me why you believe so?
OR for any reason whatsoever that you can make up to justify killing a kid?
Self defense? dont follow a kid around.

the guy is an idiot..i have no idea why you are sticking up for zimmerman

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Tom_PM

For all any of us knows so far, Martin bashed him up and was easing up when Zimmerman blew him away.

I mean you STILL can't speculate with accuracy on this case one way or the other.

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baddog

See, that is the difference between us; I am not making a rush to judgment. I was not there, I know not to believe everything I read in the press. I know people from the press have been fired for their mis-reporting of the facts. I have not convicted or released anyone. I certainly do not hope he is murdered if found not guilty.

But I guess, if found innocent, he will always have to look over his back for people that think like you. That sucks.

Phoenix

I agree, maybe MArtin was kicking the shit out of Zimmermoron.
However, that would not have happened if he wasnt following a kid around.


If he didnt pull his gun and shoot him the kid would still be alive. I suspect pulling the gun out, would have been enough to scare the kid away.



Hey everyone deserves a day in court. I Hope Zimmermoron is enjoying his days in court.

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At what point does someone stop being "a kid?"

tonyparra

Did you read that story?

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For most its well into their twenties in reality, but in the USA it depends on the picture you want to paint the person in.

For instance: Routinely i hear on the news black teens 16-19 who commit serious crimes referred too as "18 yr old man" or "17 yr old man" etc. If those same kids where not criminals however and they chose to join the military they are considered men at 18. If they die in the line of duty then they are considered "just a kid" especially if they are under 25. If those same group of kids go to NBA or MLB to entertain you, they are considered kids or terms like "man -child"(like they used on Lebron) are used until they are over 21. After 18 they can smoke a cig, but cant buy a beer till 21. Make your own conclusions from that. In the USA people are what we need them to be AT THE TIME.

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The evidence so far matches up with the story Zimmerman told, including Zimmerman following Martin. So now the question is, based on that story, did Zimmerman commit a crime by following Martin and possibly confronting him, thereby creating a dangerous situation that ended up getting Martin shot? If so, what crime?

"a person who acted in self defense with an honest but UNREASONABLE belief that deadly force was necessary" could be charged with voluntary manslaughter.

If he acted with "gross indifference to human life" that would be criminally negligent homicide, also known as involuntary manslaughter.

If his negligence in following Martin and creating a dangerous situation was less than "gross indifference", there is no crime. .Unless of course before he defended himself he first committed misdemeanor assault by chasing Martin down, in which case the misdemeanor - manslaughter rule makes it manslaughter when Martin ends up dead.

So there are at least three ways it can ends up being manslaughter.

Vendzilla

I think too much press was on this, I mean the kid was in a gated community he didn't belong in right? Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch volunteer, which means he's suppose to follow people that don't belong in that gated community.


Someone bring me up to speed, am I wrong here?

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Nope, he belonged there as much as George did. He was living there and coming home from the store with candy and tea. That info came out super early but is never mentioned because it's not a juicy "leak" I guess.

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Tom_PM

Evidently he was staying at his fathers who lives there with his girlfriend, at least for that night. He was reported to have both a key to his fathers townhome, and a key to the residential gate of the community.

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he lived in the gated community

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Vendzilla

OK, thanks. He was in an area he wasn't known and the cops take 30 mins to respond

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Watching the news none of gz s dna is on the kid. Not good

Tom_PM

Wasn't known? What does that mean? lmao. I've lived in my townhome complex (which also has designated sidewalks) for like 15 years now and I dont know more than maybe 5 people out of hundreds!

Thats just a silly thing to say

You mean GEORGE didn't know him, right? As neighborhood watch captain or whatever? I'm fairly sure there is not a check-in counter to meet George Z. for guests or visitors, It's obvious that George fucked up. He's even apologized already in court. He knows it was his fault this entire thing happened. It's not martins fault for being black or fitting someones description or staying there or anything else.

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tonyparra

Angela Corey already had that info, and she also knew that Martin only had one laceration on one of his fingers. Doesn't sound like a brutal attack to me.

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neighborhood watch people are not supposed to follow or engage suspects, only observe from a safe distance till police arrive

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If anyone, no matter what color hits me repeatedly, I will blow your teeth through the back of your skull. I will not feel guilty about it.

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Nope not a bad ass, I will just protect myself from a beating. If you view a person as bad ass that protects themselves from a punk, you have major issues.

Tom_PM

If you're the neighborhood watch captain who feels it's his duty to follow and confront(?) someone just because you dont recognize them, or because they fit a description... and this is the point where what we know about this case comes to an end.

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LOL he has issues? you are talking about shooting someone in the head because he is punching you. Why not man up and fight him back with your fists instead of a gun?

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So, what if Zimmerman didn't have a gun, and the "KID" kept bashing his head in the sidewalk. Zimmerman ends up dead? So The "KID" was defending himself from someone following him that was a lot smaller?

In my Neighbohrhood watch, we ARE to Follow and Observe from a safe distance, and or confront and ask why they are doing there. The Police are underfunded and understaffed. They do not even come out if your car is stolen or house broken into.

A month ago, I was helping a female move her stuff out of her house and her husbands house. He cam home, I went out to the public street to not cause trouble. All I could hear inside was lots of yelling and see him throwing and breaking shit, and throwing it at her. I even seen him shove her down right where all the glass was broken. I called 911 TWICE, they said if no weapons were involved or I could not see any physical bleeding or Fighting, they are NOT to come out, they don't have the funds or people. So on my third call I said there might be weapons involved I hear her screaming and I am going in with MY Weapon. Funny the police got there in about 6 minutes after that last call.

No, I did not pull my weapon. I did shield the female while she went out to the street to wait for the police. He was just a women beating pussy, who would do nothing to me, but hit her a few times. He did go to jail that day, I was checked and released since my CCW is good to go!

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astronaut x

Clearly you are very emotional about the issue, but that is messed up.

Vendzilla

Says who? We had a house in the neighborhood that started selling drugs, it was rented as a hud house, which made it hard to close down. We just stood out from every night taking pictures of the cars that showed up. They moved out in 2 weeks.

How do you observe without following? Remote drone?

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how do you think Martins mother and father feel today?
I have been through the system already. IT is bullshit.

200 years ago, if you killed someones kid, you can bet your ass the father/cousin/neighbour would be showing up to claim some revenge. Is it right? no.
will it fix anything? no


However, Zimmermoron is the issue, he executed a kid, and half the people here want to give him a pass....that is messed up.

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astronaut x

You sure about that?

Yea, if someone hits me repeatedly, I might shoot them too, however, I sure as fuck wouldn't feel good about it. I think I would be a very sad person.

Phoenix

you should have followed them closely..and then if they attacked you for being a creep and following them, you could shoot them. Few months paperwork and you are free.

no biggie.

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Whats the big deal?
A gun crazy country, someone gets shot and killed, shouldn't raise many eyebrows really.

dave90210

He was obviously over powered judging by his screams and cries for help. That kid was going to bet him to death if he didn't shoot him. I feel his actions are justified and I would be surprised if this ever goes to trial

Tom_PM

Do we even know if george or trayvon ever said "hey" once to each other? Or "excuse me do you live here" or "fuck off" or any other words? I seriously can't recall if there was any reports of either one speaking to the other at this point..

I just can't see someone turning and jumping someone else because someone else was simply walking behind them, even if it was for a long way. So I'd like to know more before jumping on board somewhere myself.

I think we KNOW he was following because he personally didnt know him, and he said he was fitting the description (black male) of reported burglars. Thats it, right?

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Vendzilla

So you attack creeps?

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just another asshole with a gun who thinks he's a badass and can take the law into his own hands

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astronaut x

Hey, I wasn't there, and neither were you. If you want to play judge, jury, and executioner go for it. You are allowed to "say" whatever you like.

Who cares about "half the people here"? Sure as fuck not me. Most of the people "here" are fucking douchebag assholes.

This is such a racially charged issue, no wonder people are so divided on it. Not to mention the fact the media is fueling this incinerator, which in turn inflames people like yourself, who are very quick to rush to judgement.

So yea, it's safe to say a lot of people have an opinion one way or the other, but there are also people out there who would rather know all the facts before flipping the switch or pulling the trigger.

Why else would we be having this discussion? Think about it.

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watch out VZ, he's got his eye on you....lol

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Tom_PM

As I asked earlier, how do we know that martin wasn't just easing up after beating georges head and nose when george blew him away? I'm asking the question, not speculating that it's what happened, because the point is we DONT know and we cant know.

To say that he WOULD have killed him IF he wasn't shot is wild speculation.

He may have felt he was going to die. I dont think he even had a concussion though. How close to death do you think he felt to cancel the ambulance which had already been called for him?

Would set a horrible precedent if the case were to say if you feel like you might die but only have a broken nose and some cuts not requiring ambulance, it's ok to shoot someone. IMHO

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I would also like to know all the facts. However, facts wont bring a 17 year old kid back to life. Nor will it erase the pain his parents are going through right now.

Who is to blame? i choose the one idiot who brought a handgun to that meeting.

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