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theking · 05-18-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

neighborhood watch people are not supposed to follow or engage suspects, only observe from a safe distance till police arrive

They are supposed to follow...not confront...until the person has left the neighborhood and not call the police unless the person's actions are questionable/suspicious. The Police cannot come out just because there is a stranger walking through your neighborhood...as they do not have the manpower to do so nor a cause to do so.

astronaut x · 05-18-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by beerptrol

just another asshole with a gun who thinks he's a badass and can take the law into his own hands

Just another know it all asshole, shitting out an uninformed opinion

astronaut x · 05-18-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dave90210

Judging from the photo evidence, his side of the story and his right to protect himself I can say I would find him innocent. If he let him bash his head into the cement any more he could have died from head truama. Clearly he was over powered and took the proper steps to protect himself

Evidence
http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/17/justic...html?hpt=hp_t1

It doesn't matter if he is innocent or not. Public opinion may very well decide his ultimate fate whether he is let out of jail or not. If the courts find him innocent, imagine the shit storm that will be. I certainly wouldn't want to be a juror in this fucking mess. There have all ready been reports of retaliation violence driven by this.

Who is to say "the people" won't feel pressure to convict him for the sole purpose of protecting there own safety? Not to mention just to keep the peace and not start an all out race war?

astronaut x · 05-18-2012, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by pornguy

The autopsy of the kid shows he was shot from an intermediate range. That sounds to me like the kid had backed off and it should have ended there.

Im no fan of the kid, as I think the kid was the one doing the burglaries. but still.

Really? Sounds like you've got it all figured out.

Ahh gfy, never ceases to amaze me the amount of simpletons that gather here.

Vendzilla · 05-18-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

Sorry my mistake for taking you for someone with a reading comprehension above a grade school level. It certainly won't happen again.

I got rid of a house full of drug dealers without shooting them. You came back with a violent retort. Maybe you should think before posting?

Phoenix · 05-18-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I got rid of a house full of drug dealers without shooting them. You came back with a violent retort. Maybe you should think before posting?

I compared your situation to the situation we are talking about. You failed to see that. you instead asked me if I attack creeps.

astronaut x · 05-18-2012, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Seriously? Weird vigilante attitude you have.

What is odd, is that the report I read said intermediate equaled 3-4" - I thought that seemed pretty close for intermediate, but they said there were powder burns.

Luckily we have trials down here. I am really surprised that you did not jump in ti intervene and thereby saving Martin's life. You must have been there since you seem to know with such precision what went down.

Are you accepting blame for not getting involved?

Ive given you shit before, mostly because I despise the "bro" club. Not that your in it, but I perceive that you would want to be if your not all ready. I was also probably having a shit day.

Maybe I'm wrong about you? Not that you care anyway. lol

It's nice to know there are others that are taking a rational approach to this issue. We may not agree on other things, but thats ok. It would be weak minded to think everyone should.

astronaut x · 05-18-2012, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dawg

Doesnt matter if he got his head bashed in. He brought that upon himself.

Thats like complaining that you got mauled after going into a lion's cage. If he hadn't tried to be a hero none of this would have happened.

Maybe you should start a soup kitchen?

Seems more humane then leaving your valuables 'locked' in your house or car free for the taking.

Don't get me wrong, Im not making any judgements or profiling anyone, Im just offering a response taking into consideration your method of thinking.

astronaut x · 05-18-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

We were lead to believe since the beginning that Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend during this incident, and that MAYBE if it were true her story would be very important in determining what happened.

Wonder why that phone record isn't being leaked to media also.

Oh don't leave us hanging.... please do tell us what your thinking!! lol

Tom_PM · 05-18-2012, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

Oh don't leave us hanging.... please do tell us what your thinking!! lol

I'd guess offhand that the special prosecutor is guarding the info tightly and we could only guess why that would be. (ie: there's no third party leaker from the phone company.. at least not yet)

If I had to guess.. either it's not true at all that she was on the phone, or it is true and they don't want to tip their hand. It would be the only other "witness" during the violence and they may intend it to be explosive evidence contrary to what we have heard so far.

In either case they wouldnt want to leak it.

astronaut x · 05-18-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tonyparra

For most its well into their twenties in reality, but in the USA it depends on the picture you want to paint the person in.

For instance: Routinely i hear on the news black teens 16-19 who commit serious crimes referred too as "18 yr old man" or "17 yr old man" etc. If those same kids where not criminals however and they chose to join the military they are considered men at 18. If they die in the line of duty then they are considered "just a kid" especially if they are under 25. If those same group of kids go to NBA or MLB to entertain you, they are considered kids or terms like "man -child"(like they used on Lebron) are used until they are over 21. After 18 they can smoke a cig, but cant buy a beer till 21. Make your own conclusions from that. In the USA people are what we need them to be AT THE TIME.

I think you are on the money when saying "people are what we need them to be AT THE TIME" but to say this is just the way it is in the USA is kind of off. That part is just your "opinion" and may need some reworking.

Again, I want to be careful not to "profile" anyone, but to add to the question baddog asked, when does a kid stop being a kid?

Does it matter if its a 5 year old about to shoot you with a bag of skittles or a 17 year old "kid" about to shoot you with a bag of skittles? Does it matter? If my intent is to shoot you with a bag of skittles, what does my age have to do with it?

RebelR · 05-18-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog

What is odd, is that the report I read said intermediate equaled 3-4" - I thought that seemed pretty close for intermediate, but they said there were powder burns.

I read the same thing Lloyd, I hate these headlines that don't explain shit. When they say "Intermediate" I think.. ok.. 10 feet or more. What's going on there? But apparently experts say that based on the 2 inch by 2 inch stippling that he got from the powder burns, it was somewhere in the 2-4 Inch range.. which doesn't sound like "intermediate" to me.. but maybe its a misnomer. At that range, I wouldn't suspect that Martin was backing off.

Either way its a fucked up situation. Maybe George shouldn't have followed. Maybe Treyvon over-reacted when confronted.. or George's adrenaline got the better of him when Treyvon turned around, we may never know. I just think that the Media should stop playing the "sensationalist" headlines that get everyone speculating based on emotion, and stick to the evidence.

astronaut x · 05-18-2012, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom

I'd guess offhand that the special prosecutor is guarding the info tightly and we could only guess why that would be. (ie: there's no third party leaker from the phone company.. at least not yet)

If I had to guess.. either it's not true at all that she was on the phone, or it is true and they don't want to tip their hand. It would be the only other "witness" during the violence and they may intend it to be explosive evidence contrary to what we have heard so far.

In either case they wouldnt want to leak it.

My guess is all we can do is guess at this point. Considering new information is coming out all the time and being relayed to us through the media (sigh)

astronaut x · 05-18-2012, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RebelR

I read the same thing Lloyd, I hate these headlines that don't explain shit. When they say "Intermediate" I think.. ok.. 10 feet or more. What's going on there? But apparently experts say that based on the 2 inch by 2 inch stippling that he got from the powder burns, it was somewhere in the 2-4 Inch range.. which doesn't sound like "intermediate" to me.. but maybe its a misnomer. At that range, I wouldn't suspect that Martin was backing off.

Either way its a fucked up situation. Maybe George shouldn't have followed. Maybe Treyvon over-reacted when confronted.. or George's adrenaline got the better of him when Treyvon turned around, we may never know. I just think that the Media should stop playing the "sensationalist" headlines that get everyone speculating based on emotion, and stick to the evidence.

Despite the evidence or "lack there of" people will still speculate based on emotion and bias.

Tom_PM · 05-18-2012, 11:49 AM

I agree, it's all speculation right up to basically the end of the 911 call, until the time george zimmerman tells the guy to call 911 after the shooting.

astronaut x · 05-18-2012, 12:16 PM

Lets all be honest with ourselves, (impossible to imagine i know, lol) at the end of the day... the law is the law.

Is it frustrating to have people steal your shit? Yes.

Do most police care about protecting your property? Don't make me answer that.

If you are not an officer of the law, you don't have the right to "pursue" someone knowingly and shoot them because they attack you for it. Even if you think they are up to no good and need to be investigated.... and attack you. However, I did mention the word "law"... is it against the law to disregard a 911 operator's orders? As a neighborhood watch captain, you are given some rights to "investigate" suspicious activity. This is what the courts will have to decide and interpret based on the laws that are on the books regarding these questions.

astronaut x · 05-18-2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I think too much press was on this, I mean the kid was in a gated community he didn't belong in right? Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch volunteer, which means he's suppose to follow people that don't belong in that gated community.

Someone bring me up to speed, am I wrong here?

At least your admitting you don't know all the facts.

Radical Bucks · 05-18-2012, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

LOL he has issues? you are talking about shooting someone in the head because he is punching you. Why not man up and fight him back with your fists instead of a gun?

Wow... I see so many idiots in the world. Let's see, the USA makes the best weapons to win, not to lose. Maybe the US should man up and just go and fight wars with theirs fists ONLY according to your belief system. Germany and Japan would be running the world right now if the US did not drop the FAT BOY.

The point is to not be assaulted, humiliated and disrespected. So yes, blow his teethe through the back of his head! Cops do it everyday, you idiot!

Radical Bucks · 05-18-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I got rid of a house full of drug dealers without shooting them. You came back with a violent retort. Maybe you should think before posting?

What if one of the drug dealers started beating your ass? What would you have done then?

Let me guess, you would have just taken your ass whooping and called the cops later. LOL

Bryan G · 05-18-2012, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Radical Bucks

Wow... I see so many idiots in the world. Let's see, the USA makes the best weapons to win, not to lose. Maybe the US should man up and just go and fight wars with theirs fists ONLY according to your belief system. Germany and Japan would be running the world right now if the US did not drop the FAT BOY.

The point is to not be assaulted, humiliated and disrespected. So yes, blow his teethe through the back of his head! Cops do it everyday, you idiot!

Lmfao!!!!! Hahahahaha wow just wow. You're missing my point you retard. Don't worry I don't expect you to understand genius.

Phoenix · 05-18-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan G

Lmfao!!!!! Hahahahaha wow just wow. You're missing my point you retard. Don't worry I don't expect you to understand genius.

The only thing i regret is letting myself post in this thread, and "Debate".

GregE · 05-18-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

Lets all be honest with ourselves, (impossible to imagine i know, lol) at the end of the day... the law is the law.

Is it frustrating to have people steal your shit? Yes.

Do most police care about protecting your property? Don't make me answer that.

And that in a nutshell explains the origins of the George Zimmerman's of this world.

Neighborhood Watch's in general and overly aggressive Neighborhood Watch's in particular are the inevitable result of local cops dropping the ball.

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

If you are not an officer of the law, you don't have the right to "pursue" someone knowingly and shoot them because they attack you for it. Even if you think they are up to no good and need to be investigated.... and attack you.

The devil is always in the details.

If it went down like you describe, the key question will be whether Travyon's assault on Zimmerman went beyond that necessary to protect himself (Travyon) from his perceived stalker (Zimmerman).

If the answer is no, then Zimmerman goes to jail. Otherwise, Zimmerman walks.

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

However, I did mention the word "law"... is it against the law to disregard a 911 operator's orders?

I was under the impression that the 911 operator's instructions fell under the category of advice; not legally binding law. But I could be wrong about that.

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Originally Posted by astronaut x

As a neighborhood watch captain, you are given some rights to "investigate" suspicious activity. This is what the courts will have to decide and interpret based on the laws that are on the books regarding these questions.

Emotions are going to play a huge role in the jury's verdict, they always do in cases like this.

The prosecution is gonna fight to keep anyone who has ever been robbed off of the jury and the defense is gonna fight to keep any victims (real or perceived) of police harassment off of the jury.

In the end it'll probably come down to whomever the jury sees as having been a "nicer" person; Zimmerman or Martin

candyflip · 05-18-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Radical Bucks

What if one of the drug dealers started beating your ass? What would you have done then?

Let me guess, you would have just taken your ass whooping and called the cops later. LOL

That moron has bragged about his guns on more than one occasion here. You know full well in the same situation he'd have pulled his gun and fired too.

If he says otherwise, he's a fucking liar.

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Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	I agree, it's all speculation right up to basically the end of the 911 call, until the time george zimmerman tells the guy to call 911 after the shooting. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

05-18-2012, 12:16 PM	#66
astronaut x Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2011 Location: From this www and beyond! Posts: 4,844	Lets all be honest with ourselves, (impossible to imagine i know, lol) at the end of the day... the law is the law. Is it frustrating to have people steal your shit? Yes. Do most police care about protecting your property? Don't make me answer that. If you are not an officer of the law, you don't have the right to "pursue" someone knowingly and shoot them because they attack you for it. Even if you think they are up to no good and need to be investigated.... and attack you. However, I did mention the word "law"... is it against the law to disregard a 911 operator's orders? As a neighborhood watch captain, you are given some rights to "investigate" suspicious activity. This is what the courts will have to decide and interpret based on the laws that are on the books regarding these questions.