Killing off File Lockers - Page 37 - GoFuckYourself.com

Robbie · 07-27-2012, 03:41 PM

1,800 thieves crying like bitches.

JFK · 07-27-2012, 04:53 PM

holy shit 73,423 views ! NICE, I guess he can win the thread of the month/year............ Free Ipod Wooooohoooooooooooooo

adultmobile · 07-27-2012, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

holy shit 73,423 views !

Yes very good signups in my signature since I posted there a few times. And most of them not usual GFY people, got a few indians signed up with this thread in http referrer

AdultKing · 07-27-2012, 06:36 PM

I'd like to thank everyone who has made a contribution in recent days. Every contribution regardless of size is appreciated.

GetSCORECash · 07-27-2012, 06:41 PM

Here is an Olympic bump.

AdultKing · 07-27-2012, 08:32 PM

We believe that the following file sharing, piracy and enabling services have been had their Paypal accounts terminated between 23rd July 2012 and 27th July 2012.

Quote:

filefactory.com
henchfile.com
livecrickethd.com
buckshare.com
enigmashare.com
batshare.com
downloadanime.com
zomgupload.com
ravishare.com
uploadic.com
steamfile.com
dotsemper.com
filesharehost.com
uploadace.com
uploadorb.com
nosvideo.com
4up.me
rapid-upload.org
animegoon.com
foxishare.com
billionuploads.com
filestat.com
imagecherry.com
ntupload.to
filesonweb.com
saveanything.com
wipfiles.com
gbitfile.com
preemlinks.com
interfile.net
subscriptions.net63.net
paycashexchange.info
soundbox.com
ash7analk.com
flashstream.com

We believe that all these sites have been terminated by Paypal in the last week. We do not believe any of them may process through Paypal again, however Paypal always deals with these matters on a case by case basis.

NOTES Copy Control does not claim responsibility for these or any other Paypal terminations. Many organisations work to deal with infringing sites. Some of these sites may have been reported earlier then re-reported as they continued to process with Paypal. This information is current at the time of publication and is subject to change.

Axeman · 07-27-2012, 08:56 PM

Great job to AK and also to the Met Art Piracy team this week.

Major Tom Thanks Duke · 07-27-2012, 09:41 PM

thumbs up.
ds

Paul Markham · 07-27-2012, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing

We believe that the following file sharing, piracy and enabling services have been had their Paypal accounts terminated between 23rd July 2012 and 27th July 2012.

We believe that all these sites have been terminated by Paypal in the last week. We do not believe any of them may process through Paypal again, however Paypal always deals with these matters on a case by case basis.

NOTES Copy Control does not claim responsibility for these or any other Paypal terminations. Many organisations work to deal with infringing sites. Some of these sites may have been reported earlier then re-reported as they continued to process with Paypal. This information is current at the time of publication and is subject to change.

Great job. Is there somewhere to see the whole list ofyour triunphs?

PiracyPitbull · 07-27-2012, 11:04 PM

Congrats AK and all the other payment terminators.

MrDeiz · 07-27-2012, 11:47 PM

You haven't told us you'll be closing that all!
Today I couldn't use my favorite FL because of you. Good the torrents are still up)

nah, just messing around. great job indeed!

Triple-A · 07-28-2012, 03:26 AM

Only a few weeks and so much already achieved... keep it up, I'm sure we will all provide whatever support we can

AdultKing · 07-28-2012, 05:52 AM

Stop File Lockers turned one month old just now! Thanks for everyone's support and thanks to the Copy Control collaboration team for all the work they are doing behind the scenes!

19teenporn · 07-28-2012, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Stop File Lockers turned one month old just now! Thanks for everyone's support and thanks to the Copy Control collaboration team for all the work they are doing behind the scenes!

Are we invited to the party?

lucas131 · 07-28-2012, 06:49 AM

happy bday! long live and keep up the great work!

Paul Markham · 07-28-2012, 10:02 AM

Back to the top.

topnotch, standup guy · 07-28-2012, 02:33 PM

Bump, bump, bump.

Let's bump them upload monkeys back into the Black Hole of Calcutta

.

ShoeBox · 07-28-2012, 03:04 PM

Happy B-Day Congrats on your success

DamianJ · 07-28-2012, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Stop File Lockers turned one month old just now! Thanks for everyone's support and thanks to the Copy Control collaboration team for all the work they are doing behind the scenes!

Congrats. How many sites have closed since you started? A kill tally would be excellent.

Many happy returns!

DWB · 07-28-2012, 03:37 PM

PiracyPitbull · 07-28-2012, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DWB

AdultKing · 07-28-2012, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DamianJ

Congrats. How many sites have closed since you started? A kill tally would be excellent.

Month of July 2012

102 File Lockers lost Paypal
17 Image Hosts lost Paypal
12 Video Streaming Sites lost Paypal
14 Piracy Enabling Sites lost Paypal
149 Resellers lost either 2CO, Payza, Moneybookers or Paypal or a combination thereof.
29 File lockers lost 2CO, Payza or Moneybookers or a combination thereof.

The standard notes apply, many groups are responsible for reporting these sites, Copy Control does not claim responsibility for these terminations.

ShoeBox · 07-28-2012, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing

Month of July 2012

102 File Lockers lost Paypal
17 Image Hosts lost Paypal
12 Video Streaming Sites lost Paypal
14 Piracy Enabling Sites lost Paypal
149 Resellers lost either 2CO, Payza, Moneybookers or Paypal or a combination thereof.
29 File lockers lost 2CO, Payza or Moneybookers or a combination thereof.

The standard notes apply, many groups are responsible for reporting these sites, Copy Control does not claim responsibility for these terminations.

congrats that's a lot

AdultKing · 07-28-2012, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShoeBox

congrats that's a lot

It's the very tip of a very big iceberg unfortunately.

The commercial piracy industry is larger than most people could possibly imagine.

AGS-17 · 07-28-2012, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing

It's the very tip of a very big iceberg unfortunately.

The commercial piracy industry is larger than most people could possibly imagine.

This illustrates my point well. Nothing has changed for the big dogs. Each one of them alone is bigger and has larger negative impact than 102 hosts that lost PayPal combined.

AdultKing · 07-28-2012, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGS-17

This illustrates my point well. Nothing has changed for the big dogs. Each one of them alone is bigger and has larger negative impact than 102 hosts that lost PayPal combined.

So what are you doing to address the problem ?

Slappin Fish · 07-28-2012, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGS-17

This illustrates my point well. Nothing has changed for the big dogs. Each one of them alone is bigger and has larger negative impact than 102 hosts that lost PayPal combined.

When people can't pay they still click on the links, if anything they click more because they can't find what they are looking for, it will take a few months before you see Alexa rankings go down.

If you want to illustrate a point look at what happens when filelockers close their affiliate programs :

Filelockers losing their Paypal are lowering payouts, losing affiliates, in the long run it will affect their traffic drastically.

lucas131 · 07-29-2012, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGS-17

This illustrates my point well. Nothing has changed for the big dogs. Each one of them alone is bigger and has larger negative impact than 102 hosts that lost PayPal combined.

what? i see the graph going down, or not?

johnnyloadproductions · 07-29-2012, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdultKing

It's the very tip of a very big iceberg unfortunately.

The commercial piracy industry is larger than most people could possibly imagine.

Would you venture to say the industry is in the $2-5 billion range.
I know there are claims of piracy costing all companies world wide in the tens of billions each year.

Similar when craigslist entered classifieds, for every million they made the newspaper industry lost a billion. Except what they did is completely legal, big difference.

There is no doubt this is having effect!

MrDeiz · 07-29-2012, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGS-17

This illustrates my point well. Nothing has changed for the big dogs. Each one of them alone is bigger and has larger negative impact than 102 hosts that lost PayPal combined.

stop whining and do something you dumb fuck

Slappin Fish · 07-29-2012, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucas131

what? i see the graph going down, or not?

Yes it is.

and out of the 5 filelockers he mentions as "not losing their Paypal" two actually just lost it (FileFactory and Letitbit). one is a dying host living on old links (Hotfile.com), the other big one Depositfiles is scrambling with alternative Paypal accounts and banning affiliates by the dozen.

AGS-17 · 07-29-2012, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slappin Fish

When people can't pay they still click on the links, if anything they click more because they can't find what they are looking for, it will take a few months before you see Alexa rankings go down.

If you want to illustrate a point look at what happens when filelockers close their affiliate programs :

Filelockers losing their Paypal are lowering payouts, losing affiliates, in the long run it will affect their traffic drastically.

1200 posts and still you seem to not know how to use Alexa.
Pick the correct option and let's see what's going on:

Notice the huge spike right after 2012 marker?

These hosts except for rapidshare.com all have affiliate programs, all have PayPal and AK is not going to be able to do anything. That is why I offer some healthy criticism, that's all.

AK - what am I doing? Nothing. I've tried though, I know the very same people in PayPal you work with and I know word to word what they are telling you regarding the big ones, so I've said fuck that and went back to making money, not wasting my time.

What you do is good at it's core, there is no doubt about it, but will it have an effect or will it just make big ones stronger, more greedy?

DepositFiles by getting back their PayPal sent a powerful signal to pirates: We are immune!
http://depositfiles.com/earn.html

There you go mate. Nuff Said.

Slappin Fish · 07-29-2012, 12:48 AM

Quote:

1200 posts and still you seem to not know how to use Alexa.
Pick the correct option and let's see what's going on:

Notice the huge spike right after 2012 marker?

The "huge spike" is Megaupload shutting down. and combined traffic is still down. 1300 posts and you still don't know how to read a chart?

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGS-17

These hosts except for rapidshare.com all have affiliate programs, all have PayPal and AK is not going to be able to do anything.

Wrong. FileFactory announcement :

Letitbit's account is also gone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGS-17

AK - what am I doing? Nothing. I've tried though, I know the very same people in PayPal you work with and I know word to word what they are telling you regarding the big ones, so I've said fuck that and went back to making money, not wasting my time.

What you do is good at it's core, there is no doubt about it, but will it have an effect or will it just make big ones stronger, more greedy?

DepositFiles by getting back their PayPal sent a powerful signal to pirates: We are immune!

There you go mate. Nuff Said.

You think it's pointless, good for you GTFO.

MrDeiz · 07-29-2012, 03:48 AM

AGS-17 - why won't you SHUT YOUR FUCK UP and actually do something?

or at least won't bring your wasted shit over here

AdultKing · 07-29-2012, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGS-17

AK - what am I doing? Nothing. I've tried though, I know the very same people in PayPal you work with and I know word to word what they are telling you regarding the big ones, so I've said fuck that and went back to making money

You obviously didn't try very hard then. I don't remember you doing anything actually.

You have absolutely no idea of who we deal with at Paypal or any other processor for that matter and I think you will be extremely surprised at what does transpire over the next little while. You certainly have no clue about what discussions we have at any level. We do not discuss operational matters so you will never know.

FileFactory, Letitbit, DepositFiles all lost Paypal.

I know where you're coming from and understand your intention is to throw confusion into this thread. You won't succeed.

lucas131 · 07-29-2012, 04:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGS-17

1200 posts and still you seem to not know how to use Alexa.
Pick the correct option and let's see what's going on:

Notice the huge spike right after 2012 marker?

These hosts except for rapidshare.com all have affiliate programs, all have PayPal and AK is not going to be able to do anything. That is why I offer some healthy criticism, that's all.

AK - what am I doing? Nothing. I've tried though, I know the very same people in PayPal you work with and I know word to word what they are telling you regarding the big ones, so I've said fuck that and went back to making money, not wasting my time.

What you do is good at it's core, there is no doubt about it, but will it have an effect or will it just make big ones stronger, more greedy?

DepositFiles by getting back their PayPal sent a powerful signal to pirates: We are immune!
http://depositfiles.com/earn.html

There you go mate. Nuff Said.

Paul Markham · 07-29-2012, 06:00 AM

This is going to be a long drawn out war and it will need a lot of soldiers to dedicate time and effort to it.

So here's a deal.

Anyone who buys content mentioning "Paypal" gets 50% donated to the fight. Just contact me first, so I can know and tell you how to pay. So I can easily pass the money on. Crap make it 75%.

lucas131 · 07-29-2012, 06:04 AM

paul is a nice guy

Three.Thousand · 07-29-2012, 08:17 AM

like i said before, if his actions doesn't have a positive effect then whats with all the panic over at wjunction, death threats etc? shouldn't it be business as usual?

I think i base my judgement on what AK and Nautilus reports, what i see on filehosts and what i see going on at wjunction, rather than some alexa graph.

DWB · 07-29-2012, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three.Thousand

like i said before, if his actions doesn't have a positive effect then whats with all the panic over at wjunction, death threats etc? shouldn't it be business as usual?

I think i base my judgement on what AK and Nautilus reports, what i see on filehosts and what i see going on at wjunction, rather than some alexa graph.

19teenporn · 07-29-2012, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Three.Thousand

like i said before, if his actions doesn't have a positive effect then whats with all the panic over at wjunction, death threats etc? shouldn't it be business as usual?

I think i base my judgement on what AK and Nautilus reports, what i see on filehosts and what i see going on at wjunction, rather than some alexa graph.

It's 2012. We are webmasters.

Shouldn't even take a small bit of our time to respond to people like that asshole who posts ridiculous alexa graphics. Those mean shit, everyone know it.

Robbie · 07-29-2012, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AGS-17

DepositFiles by getting back their PayPal sent a powerful signal to pirates: We are immune!

First off..nobody is "immune" from anything in this world. Stupid statement.

Second...I don't know shit about how these thieving sites operate. But I went to that URL and saw nothing about PayPal. If that message is "powerful" then they are pretty shitty at sending messages.

I have no idea if they do or don't have PayPal...but one thing is for sure: AdultKing IS making a huge difference. And IF he can get MC and Visa onboard...then you're going to see just how "immune" any pirate site will be.

Robbie · 07-29-2012, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I am at a 7% increase in sales this month across the board (averaging in my paysite sales & my affiliate work for other sites)

And since this is summertime and is supposed to be a "slow down" period...I'd say that things are beginning to slightly shift.

I'm looking at my stats remote. Sales have been steadily increasing the last few days.
I'm now looking at a projected 7.5% increase in sales in the month of July. That's a half percent in just the last couple of days.

Again, I can't say that it's because of what AK is doing. But then again, I can't say it's not.
July is supposed to be a shitty "summer slowdown" month. Instead...even with the bad economy...it's turning into the best month this year so far.

Triple-A · 07-29-2012, 02:39 PM

AK, gonna send you a PM about rapidgator.net - I am sick of this filelocker, they avoid using paypal but have other methods incl VISA MC and American Express FFS! A rampant affiliate program as well.

jollyhumper · 07-29-2012, 03:50 PM

I'll give it a Bump with my words "Great Job!! AK"

Jolly

AdultKing · 07-29-2012, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple-A

AK, gonna send you a PM about rapidgator.net - I am sick of this filelocker, they avoid using paypal but have other methods incl VISA MC and American Express FFS! A rampant affiliate program as well.

No PM's on this forum however I'll add that we are already well aware of Rapidgator.

Robbie · 07-29-2012, 04:36 PM

I think AdultKing should be flown into Las Vegas for Internext as THE keynote speaker this year.

Stupid Fabian the pirate gave a "speech" that said a bunch of nothing (like most keynote speeches) last year.

How about this year we get a guy up there to speak who actually did something that is beneficial to all of us and would be worth my time listening to?

Last years speech was by the world's biggest pirate...how about this year we bring back some dignity and respect to our business and get AdultKing?

lucas131 · 07-29-2012, 04:40 PM

so where and how can i join the white side force?

AdultKing · 07-29-2012, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucas131

so where and how can i join the white side force?

You can do so in a number of ways.

If you want to make a financial contribution then there is a Chip-In Widget on the Stop File Lockers website.

If you want to become involved in the collaboration system then we can invite you in.

Barefootsies · 07-29-2012, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robbie

I think AdultKing should be flown into Las Vegas for Internext as THE keynote speaker this year.

I think you should be made the queen of England.

07-27-2012, 03:41 PM	#1801
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07-27-2012, 04:53 PM	#1802
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07-27-2012, 08:56 PM	#1807
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07-27-2012, 11:04 PM	#1810
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07-27-2012, 06:36 PM	#1804
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07-27-2012, 09:41 PM	#1808
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07-27-2012, 11:47 PM	#1811
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07-28-2012, 03:26 AM	#1812
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07-28-2012, 05:52 AM	#1813
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07-28-2012, 02:33 PM	#1817
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Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	This is going to be a long drawn out war and it will need a lot of soldiers to dedicate time and effort to it. So here's a deal. Anyone who buys content mentioning "Paypal" gets 50% donated to the fight. Just contact me first, so I can know and tell you how to pay. So I can easily pass the money on. Crap make it 75%. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

07-29-2012, 06:04 AM	#1838
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07-29-2012, 08:17 AM	#1839
Three.Thousand Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: UK Posts: 287	like i said before, if his actions doesn't have a positive effect then whats with all the panic over at wjunction, death threats etc? shouldn't it be business as usual? I think i base my judgement on what AK and Nautilus reports, what i see on filehosts and what i see going on at wjunction, rather than some alexa graph. Last edited by Three.Thousand; 07-29-2012 at 08:18 AM.. Reason: spelling

07-29-2012, 02:39 PM	#1844
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07-29-2012, 04:36 PM	#1847
Robbie Leaner, Meaner, Faster Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Vegas Posts: 20,845	I think AdultKing should be flown into Las Vegas for Internext as THE keynote speaker this year. Stupid Fabian the pirate gave a "speech" that said a bunch of nothing (like most keynote speeches) last year. How about this year we get a guy up there to speak who actually did something that is beneficial to all of us and would be worth my time listening to? Last years speech was by the world's biggest pirate...how about this year we bring back some dignity and respect to our business and get AdultKing? __________________ -Robbie ClaudiaMarie.Com

07-29-2012, 04:40 PM	#1848
lucas131 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 11,475	so where and how can i join the white side force? Last edited by lucas131; 07-29-2012 at 04:42 PM.. Reason: fuck that sounds racist, not sure how they call it in star wars, white power? white force? light force? fuck i hate english