Killing off File Lockers - Page 65 - GoFuckYourself.com

Robbie · 10-05-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

Yeah, I'm sure he's going to get us shut down. Please elaborate on which TOS you think we're violating? As you use a 3rd party biller, since you cannot set up your own processing. Great webmaster.

What? LOL!!! We have our own merchant account and I use a slew of third party billers in my cascade as well.

Dude...you are just showing your total ignorance of how things work! No wonder you have to steal to get by.

Pitiful...

Robbie · 10-05-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

Ignorance in what? I'm not an adult webmaster. I'm sorry I don't know who the hottest senior citizen porn actress is with big breasts.

Then why did you run your dickskinners and make dumbass statements about something you now admit that you know NOTHING about!

Damn! You really do need to steal to make a living don't you?

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

Yeah, I'm sure he's going to get us shut down. Please elaborate on which TOS you think we're violating? As you use a 3rd party biller, since you cannot set up your own processing. Great webmaster.

There's a saying , Slowly, slowly catchy monkey.

On Thursday I was on a four hour long conference call meeting between 3 other parties. I will tell you that one of those other parties was a risk management specialist from one of the two major credit card associations. UltraMegaBit was one of many subjects, I was satisfied with the progress made in that meeting.

On Friday our lawyers started preparing some documents for an action which will become clear to you over time.

moogie · 10-05-2012, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Google do as it happens have a transparent process in place.

They also do content id checking , does UltraMegaBit do that ?

Do rights holders have access to your systems so that they can see and remove content such as DepositFiles were forced to implement ?

At the moment we don't do content id checking, since we don't have the funding or the manpower that google has, but it will come in a future update to the site.

We are almost done with coding our rights holder module. We are not that large of an organization at the moment, so we don't have a huge coding staff. Our staff has been mitigating the extreme amount of traffic increase we have been experiencing in the last month.

I can send you an e-mail when it's ready, and all verified rights holders will have access to remove any infringing content.

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

At the moment we don't do content id checking, since we don't have the funding or the manpower that google has, but it will come in a future update to the site.

We are almost done with coding our rights holder module. We are not that large of an organization at the moment, so we don't have a huge coding staff. Our staff has been mitigating the extreme amount of traffic increase we have been experiencing in the last month.

I can send you an e-mail when it's ready, and all verified rights holders will have access to remove any infringing content.

As you have a rights holder module being implemented what auditing measures are put in place to ensure it's not just a whitewash.

Will you afford rights holder representative organisations rights holder module access and will you, as several other large file lockers services do, fund the checking of infringements in that module ?

moogie · 10-05-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

There's a saying , Slowly, slowly catchy monkey.

On Thursday I was on a four hour long conference call meeting between 3 other parties. I will tell you that one of those other parties was a risk management specialist from one of the two major credit card associations. UltraMegaBit was one of many subjects, I was satisfied with the progress made in that meeting.

On Friday our lawyers started preparing some documents for an action which will become clear to you over time.

your lawyer can send any correspondence to [email protected], and we will gladly send them to our legal team.

moogie · 10-05-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

As you have a rights holder module being implemented what auditing measures are put in place to ensure it's not just a whitewash.

Will you afford rights holder representative organisations rights holder module access and will you, as several other large file lockers services do, fund the checking of infringements in that module ?

No we will not fund the organisation, as you are being funded by the rights holders. I don't see any reason to fund the work which you are being paid to do.

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

your lawyer can send any correspondence to [email protected], and we will gladly send them to our legal team.

You'll soon learn that legal demands, documentation and documents of service do not get emailed, they get delivered as hard copy, often by registered mail or via a process server.

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

No we will not fund the organisation, as you are being funded by the rights holders. I don't see any reason to fund the work which you are being paid to do.

So you want to shift the responsibility for making sure you don't host copyright infringing content to the entities that content is being stolen from ?

moogie · 10-05-2012, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

You'll soon learn that legal demands, documentation and documents of service do not get emailed, they get delivered as hard copy, often by registered mail or via a process server.

I am well aware. This is not my first online business or my first corporation. You can mail them to the address listed on the contact page. I was only suggested if there was any correspondence you needed answered, you could e-mail our [email protected]

You will also learn as well, that just because you've bullied many of these tiny filelockers with no real consequence to you or your company, that we will not just sit back and let you dictate your version of the law to us.

moogie · 10-05-2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

So you want to shift the responsibility for making sure you don't host copyright infringing content to the entities that content is being stolen from ?

Not at all. They can keep emailing the requests to [email protected], which will be handled automatically. Or they can use the tool which we are creating for them to take down content even faster.

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

Not at all. They can keep emailing the requests to [email protected], which will be handled automatically. Or they can use the tool which we are creating for them to take down content even faster.

For someone who claims to be a smart guy you're pretty naive.

It's up to the user uploaded content service to fund the operation of the rights holder management module.

You host the content, you wear the cost for checking and deleting the infringing content.

That means either supplying labor or funds for the employment of labor.

moogie · 10-05-2012, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

For someone who claims to be a smart guy you're pretty naive.

It's up to the user uploaded content service to fund the operation of the rights holder management module.

You host the content, you wear the cost for checking and deleting the infringing content.

That means either supplying labor or funds for the employment of labor.

so how much exactly does dropbox pay? Ok, so once again, it's all down to $$?

If we give you a sizeable donation, or pay for you to do dmca takedowns, then all is well?

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

so how much exactly does dropbox pay?

Dropbox doesn't pay uploaders of content. It also prohibits content from being shared on piracy or warez related services. Different animal.

It's worth noting that having a rights holder content removal module or service does not exempt you from legal action pertaining to the infringing content.

It's also worth being clear about your business model. You trade on the fact that infringing content is uploaded and lots of it. You play a game of risk, you know some content will need to be removed via the DMCA process but you also know much of it wont be. So you reward uploaders for uploading and make profit from selling the content that isn't removed.

We will allege that such conduct with aggravating circumstances is criminal and you will eventually be brought to account in that regard.

moogie · 10-05-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

It's up to the user uploaded content service to fund the operation of the rights holder management module.

You host the content, you wear the cost for checking and deleting the infringing content.

That means either supplying labor or funds for the employment of labor.

Can you please tell me where you have this information from? I'm not debating it, but it is news to me.

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

Can you please tell me where you have this information from? I'm not debating it, but it is news to me.

It's covered by their acceptable use policies and terms of service.

Let me ask you a question, are you against or for content infringement , do you support or do you not support piracy ?

moogie · 10-05-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Dropbox doesn't pay uploaders of content. It also prohibits content from being shared on piracy or warez related services. Different animal.

It's worth noting that having a rights holder content removal module or service does not exempt you from legal action pertaining to the infringing content.

It's also worth being clear about your business model. You trade on the fact that infringing content is uploaded and lots of it. You play a game of risk, you know some content will need to be removed via the DMCA process but you also know much of it wont be. So you reward uploaders for uploading and make profit from selling the content that isn't removed.

We will allege that such conduct with aggravating circumstances is criminal and you will eventually be brought to account in that regard.

Ok, here is what i don't understand. You keep speaking of 'We'. Are you part of a legal organization? Some judiciary branch? You have authority to pursue criminal actions against organizations? Because watching the file hosting news lately, I see that there have been 0 criminal prosecutions brought against any cloud-service providers. Except for megaupload, but that is a different story. He was trying to take artists from the RIAA.

moogie · 10-05-2012, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

It's covered by their acceptable use policies and terms of service.

Let me ask you a question, are you against or for content infringement , do you support or do you not support piracy ?

Is that a serious question?

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

It's covered by their acceptable use policies and terms of service.

One Cloud-Service TOS or AUP does not trickle down to every other business in the world.

Struggle4Bucks · 10-05-2012, 05:01 PM

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It`s drama, it`s humor, it`s war, it`s whining babies, it`s people that once had everything on the point of losing it all!

There should be a little bit more sex in it btw... imo... What`s a movie without sex?

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

Ok, here is what i don't understand. You keep speaking of 'We'. Are you part of a legal organization? Some judiciary branch? You have authority to pursue criminal actions against organizations? Because watching the file hosting news lately, I see that there have been 0 criminal prosecutions brought against any cloud-service providers. Except for megaupload, but that is a different story. He was trying to take artists from the RIAA.

We is Copy Control Pty Limited, IP Rights Association of Australia Inc and the people who work within the collaboration systems for both organisations.

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

Is that a serious question?

Yes it's a serious question.

Will you, right here, right now condemn copyright infringement ?

moogie · 10-05-2012, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

We is Copy Control Pty Limited, IP Rights Association of Australia Inc and the people who work within the collaboration systems for both organisations.

But you have eluded the question. Do you have authority to make criminal charges? I don't understand your mentality.

moogie · 10-05-2012, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Yes it's a serious question.

Will you, right here, right now condemn copyright infringement ?

We have a very firm stance on copyright infringement, which is noted in our Terms of Service.

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

But you have eluded the question. Do you have authority to make criminal charges? I don't understand your mentality.

We have the same rights as any other organisation to launch civil proceedings and to make referrals to law enforcement agencies.

adultmobile · 10-05-2012, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

so how much exactly does dropbox pay? Ok, so once again, it's all down to $$?

If we give you a sizeable donation, or pay for you to do dmca takedowns, then all is well?

This guy is a mini-me clone of Kim Dotcom of Megaupload. His point it is he does same as google drive or dropbox.
Also he stress on laws and DMCA.

The main point it is not the laws strictly here. It is that Visa, Mastercard and PayPal (as well as the banks) are private organisations. Even if it is not illegal to bill for porn content, or even for just fileshare, they are private companies and can decide a "policy", which is more strict and quick to apply than the law, that they do not serve whoever does certain things. Or just do not offer service to you as they do not like your nose. They can do it. They are doing it.

AdultKing it is only reporting to these private companies some links and data, and they are dropping whoever they wish no matter the law. There is no need of any "law" here.

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

We have a very firm stance on copyright infringement, which is noted in our Terms of Service.

But you haven't answered the question.

Are you for or against copyright infringement ? Will you condemn the practice ?

moogie · 10-05-2012, 05:08 PM

Robert, just a quick question, is hardcore porn even legal in australia?

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

Robert, just a quick question, is hardcore porn even legal in australia?

Yes it is.

moogie · 10-05-2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

This guy is a mini-me clone of Kim Dotcom of Megaupload. His point it is he does same as google drive or dropbox.
Also he stress on laws and DMCA.

The main point it is not the laws strictly here. It is that Visa, Mastercard and PayPal (as well as the banks) are private organisations. Even if it is not illegal to bill for porn content, or even for just fileshare, they are private companies and can decide a "policy", which is more strict and quick to apply than the law, that they do not serve whoever does certain things. Or just do not offer service to you as they do not like your nose. They can do it. They are doing it.

AdultKing it is only reporting to these private companies some links and data, and they are dropping whoever they wish no matter the law. There is no need of any "law" here.

adultmobile, We are following the visa and mastercard policies. And we are following the DMCA laws. So what I don't like is that Robert is making all these wild allegations to us, and expects us to answer them all, but he can't answer the question, of how much did it cost manwin to buy him off.

moogie · 10-05-2012, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Yes it is.

Ok, because I was under the impression that it is indeed a very gray area.

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

adultmobile, We are following the visa and mastercard policies. And we are following the DMCA laws. So what I don't like is that Robert is making all these wild allegations to us, and expects us to answer them all, but he can't answer the question, of how much did it cost manwin to buy him off.

I wont let you make false assertions. Nobody has "bought us off". We do not have any obligation to any third party with regard to who or who we don't target in our operations.

moogie · 10-05-2012, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

AdultKing it is only reporting to these private companies some links and data, and they are dropping whoever they wish no matter the law. There is no need of any "law" here.

Yes paypal, is pretty strict with their policies. They limited my account with 9.50 in it for no reason.

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

Ok, because I was under the impression that it is indeed a very gray area.

No, its perfectly legal.

We have the worlds largest adult and porn exhibition in the world held here in several Australian states http://sexpo.com.au

We also have the worlds most effective adult industry government lobby group, the Eros foundation http://eros.org.au

However, you're deflecting.

Are you for or against piracy ? Will you condemn copyright infringement here and now ?

moogie · 10-05-2012, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

I wont let you make false assertions. Nobody has "bought us off". We do not have any obligation to any third party with regard to who or who we don't target in our operations.

But I thought your aim was to combat commercial piracy? But you received an undisclosed considerable donation from the largest adult pirate on the internet. Who has the largest adult sites on the internet, filled with infringing content. But yet you make no reference to going after him, or his sites? Only cloud-hosting services? It really all doesent make sense to me. Can you explain your motives you had when accepting the donations from them?

That's like a drug dealer giving money to the DEA, then the DEA looks the other way. Almost exactly what you are doing.

moogie · 10-05-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

No, its perfectly legal.

We have the worlds largest adult and porn exhibition in the world held here in several Australian states http://sexpo.com.au

We also have the worlds most effective adult industry government lobby group, the Eros foundation http://eros.org.au

However, you're deflecting.

Are you for or against piracy ? Will you condemn copyright infringement here and now ?

thanks for clearing that up. I was unaware that Australia was a porn mecca of the world.

I'm not deflecting. But you are beginning to sound like a preacher at a sermon. I have already stated that my opinion to copyright infringement is obvious by reading our TOS.

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

But I thought your aim was to combat commercial piracy? But you received an undisclosed considerable donation from the largest adult pirate on the internet. Who has the largest adult sites on the internet, filled with infringing content. But yet you make no reference to going after him, or his sites? Only cloud-hosting services? It really all doesent make sense to me. Can you explain your motives you had when accepting the donations from them?

That's like a drug dealer giving money to the DEA, then the DEA looks the other way. Almost exactly what you are doing.

Our aim right now is to wipe out the illegal file locker industry and that's what we're doing.

But you're deflecting again.

Will you condemn piracy and copyright infringement ?

Struggle4Bucks · 10-05-2012, 05:17 PM

More after the break! Will Moogie answer or not answer that question? We`ll be right back...

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

I'm not deflecting. But you are beginning to sound like a preacher at a sermon. I have already stated that my opinion to copyright infringement is obvious by reading our TOS.

Just answer the question, are you against copyright infringement ?

moogie · 10-05-2012, 05:20 PM

I will answer the question when you answer how much did manwin pay you for you to look the other way from the biggest adult pirate on the internet. Like how much do you cost?

baddog · 10-05-2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

Why hasn't anyone linked the screenshot for me?

No one cares or likes you?

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

I just did a quick check of our evidence database, 29,734 infringements is not a few.

Powned? Is that what the cool kids say?

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Originally Posted by moogie

in comparison to most hosting providers, it is a few.

Sounds legit

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

Just answer the question, are you against copyright infringement ?

Copyrights are an abuse of time shifting. /sarcasm

Half man, Half Amazing · 10-05-2012, 05:21 PM

You're fucked asshole.

Did you guys see that flash go by...that was Moogie's Safe Harbor Protection flying out the door.

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

I will answer the question when you answer how much did manwin pay you for you to look the other way from the biggest adult pirate on the internet. Like how much do you cost?

I have already stated several times that nobody who has made a contribution to the campaign gets a free pass or exemption as a result. So your answer is , nobody can afford me because I will not accept any payment from anyone wishing to subvert our aims.

Answer the question moogie, are you against copyright infringement ?

moogie · 10-05-2012, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

I have already stated several times that nobody who has made a contribution to the campaign gets a free pass or exemption as a result. So your answer is , nobody can afford me because I will not accept any payment from anyone wishing to subvert our aims.

Answer the question moogie, are you against copyright infringement ?

obviously manwin can afford you.

I said I would answer the question when you say publicly how much Manwin paid you.

moogie · 10-05-2012, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Half man, Half Amazing

You're fucked asshole.

Did you guys see that flash go by...that was Moogie's Safe Harbor Protection flying out the door.

Not really? As it states they were abusing the site, and running scripts against our service, which was lagging out MYSQL.

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

obviously manwin can afford you.

Nope, not even Manwin.

Now answer the question.

Are you against copyright infringement ?

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

Not really? As it states they were abusing the site, and running scripts against our service, which was lagging out MYSQL.

I see that working before the judge, sorry your honour we prevented third party scrutiny of content theft on our site because it was lagging our MYSQL.

Answer the question moogie, are you against copyright infringement ?

moogie · 10-05-2012, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AdultKing

I see that working before the judge, sorry your honour we prevented third party scrutiny of content theft on our site because it was lagging our MYSQL.

Answer the question moogie, are you against copyright infringement ?

It's a good thing you are not a judge, or do not have any 'legal' merit. Yes we banned a few DMCA agents who had automated scripts hammering our database, and abusing our system, and it is well within our legal rights to block attacks.
How much did manwin pay you to ignore them?

Half man, Half Amazing · 10-05-2012, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

Not really? As it states they were abusing the site, and running scripts against our service, which was lagging out MYSQL.

Fail you worthless fuck. You are clearly stating you are banning the IPs of known DMCA Agents OR abusers. Banning the IPs of known DMCA Agents violates the Safe Harbor Exemption of the DMCA law. You can not enact any mechanism that makes it harder for copyright holders or their authorized agents to enforce their rights under the DMCA.

baddog · 10-05-2012, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Half man, Half Amazing

You're fucked asshole.

Did you guys see that flash go by...that was Moogie's Safe Harbor Protection flying out the door.

- now I see where the amazing comes in ;)

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Originally Posted by moogie

obviously manwin can afford you.

I said I would answer the question when you say publicly how much Manwin paid you.

It does not even matter, you seem to be the only one asking about it.

AdultKing · 10-05-2012, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by moogie

It's a good thing you are not a judge, or do not have any 'legal' merit. Yes we banned a few DMCA agents who had automated scripts hammering our database, and abusing our system, and it is well within our legal rights to block attacks.
How much did manwin pay you to ignore them?

I know for a fact that several of your large competitors white list the IP's of DMCA agents.

We are not ignoring Manwin and we cannot be bought.

Answer the question you are so busy deflecting and avoiding.

Are you against copyright infringement moogie ?

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