Apple Co-Founder - MegaUpload just a 'Post Office', shouldn't be Shut Down - GoFuckYourself.com

wehateporn · 08-14-2012, 02:27 PM

Quote from Steve Wozniak:-

"If someone commits a crime shipping drugs on the sea, you don't drain the sea and say the sea is the problem. If they are mailing drugs through the post office you don't shut the post office down you try to get the people who are doing the wrong steps."

http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/you-don...zniak-dotcom-0

halfpint · 08-14-2012, 02:35 PM

I got a feeling Kim is gonna walk

DamianJ · 08-14-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

I got a feeling Kim is gonna walk

Yes of course he is.

BlackCrayon · 08-14-2012, 02:40 PM

does he know that kim and crew uploaded tons of stuff themselves and their affiliate model encourages piracy?

BareBacked · 08-14-2012, 02:44 PM

can he really be that naive ?

Barefootsies · 08-14-2012, 02:45 PM

File lockers as a business model are not the problem. The same can be said for tube sites.

It's ultimately how that technology is being used that is the problem. That is his point.

halfpint · 08-14-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

File lockers as a business model are not the problem. The same can be said for tube sites.

It's ultimately how that technology is being used that is the problem. That is his point.

Your right but U know what will happen if he gets away scott free ? Everybody and anybody will open up even more file lockers

DamianJ · 08-14-2012, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

does he know that kim and crew uploaded tons of stuff themselves and their affiliate model encourages piracy?

Quick, call the mpaa. They need your evidence urgently...

Quentin · 08-14-2012, 03:20 PM

Woz is taking Kim Dotcom's word for it that Megaupload and its staff were not directly involved in any infringement, and didn't do anything that could be construed as encouraging or inducing infringement.

Many of Dotcom's critics are taking the government's word for it that the investigation uncovered all sorts of evidence to the contrary.

IMO, it's a bit soon to be taking either side at its word with respect to what the evidence does, or does not, prove.

As I see it, neither the DOJ nor Kim Dotcom has a record of truth-telling that is particularly impressive, so I'll wait for both parties to put all their cards on the table (should it ever come to that) before I decide who is more full of shit between the two.

DamianJ · 08-14-2012, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Quentin

Woz is taking Kim Dotcom's word for it that Megaupload and its staff were not directly involved in any infringement, and didn't do anything that could be construed as encouraging or inducing infringement.

Many of Dotcom's critics are taking the government's word for it that the investigation uncovered all sorts of evidence to the contrary.

IMO, it's a bit soon to be taking either side at its word with respect to what the evidence does, or does not, prove.

As I see it, neither the DOJ nor Kim Dotcom has a record of truth-telling that is particularly impressive, so I'll wait for both parties to put all their cards on the table (should it ever come to that) before I decide who is more full of shit between the two.

To be fair, I imagine they both are full of shit. But the Feds fucked up and Kim will walk.

Barefootsies · 08-14-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

Your right but U know what will happen if he gets away scott free ? Everybody and anybody will open up even more file lockers

I am not saying there are not flaws in the imperfect system.

But just because someone owns a gun, doesn't mean it's only use is to kill people. Just because someone owns a VCR, doesn't mean it's only use is to make copies and sell in china. RapidShare can be used for legitimate purposes.

halfpint · 08-14-2012, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I am not saying there are not flaws in the imperfect system.

But just because someone owns a gun, doesn't mean it's only use is to kill people. Just because someone owns a VCR, doesn't mean it's only use is to make copies and sell in china. RapidShare can be used for legitimate purposes.

Yep I aggree with you lol, they should have gone after some of the big copyright uploaders and made a spectacle out of them to scare others from doing it, but with them arresting the owner and shutting the site down, if he walks its gonna give out a signal to alot of people that they have the green light to open file lockers and do the same

DeanCapture · 08-14-2012, 03:43 PM

I quite enjoyed that interview : )

Barefootsies · 08-14-2012, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

Yep I aggree with you lol, they should have gone after some of the big copyright uploaders and made a spectacle out of them to scare others from doing it, but with them arresting the owner and shutting the site down, if he walks its gonna give out a signal to alot of people that they have the green light to open file lockers and do the same

If you could open up a file locker with a check from McDonalds, half of GFY would be doing it. However, the infrastructure can be pretty intensive to run a good one, especially if it grows fast and scales.

That being said, most technology can be used for bad intended things. Doesn't really even need to be online as there are many examples in daily life. However, I think that was what Woz's point was.

I am not saying he should get off scott-free. But I think they need to be persecuting the INTENT, not the technology.

TheSquealer · 08-14-2012, 03:53 PM

well known hippies hate "the man"

I'm stunned.

This is something new.

Webmaster Advertising · 08-14-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

I got a feeling Kim is gonna walk

You mean wobble right?

MakingItPay · 08-14-2012, 04:10 PM

I bet he would be against me opening a site that allowed the anonymous sale of Chinese Macintosh, Ipad, Iphone counterfeits that were exactly like Apple's? Megaalmostmacmarket.com. I would allow the selling of real macs there, so I would be innocent of a crime since there would be real legit uses of the tech.

Quentin · 08-14-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

To be fair, I imagine they both are full of shit. But the Feds fucked up and Kim will walk.

You may well be right about that; time will tell.

My understanding is that it isn't entirely cut and dry whether the mistakes and procedural errors associated with the raid necessarily undercut the whole case against Dotcom. The U.S. DOJ maintains that it has enough evidence that was collected entirely separate from the raid to make its case, and I believe the U.S. is asking the Auckland court to extradite on that basis, irrespective of the legality of the raid, or of the warrants issued in connection with that raid.

All I know is that the U.S. case law and relevant rules of evidence at issue are beyond my comprehension.... and I know even less about NZ legal standards, so I'm going to abstain from making any predictions on this one, either way. ;-)

mynameisjim · 08-14-2012, 04:14 PM

But what percentage of the Post Office mail is used to violate the law? What percentage of the ocean is being used to violate the law? Probably less than 1%.

What percentage of MegaUpload content was violating copyright law?

His analogy doesn't really make sense here. I promise you if 50% of the mail carried by the post office was illegal, there would be HUGE calls to shut it down or regulate it.

MegaUpload isn't some special new technology that must be protected. There are countless legitimate places to upload your personal files, pictures, videos, back-ups, etc. Nobody is calling to shut those down. MegaUpload is simply the result of a guy seeing a loophole in a changing landscape and cashing in before laws and society caught up.

CyberHustler · 08-14-2012, 04:15 PM

Live baby... live

halfpint · 08-14-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MakingItPay

I bet he would be against me opening a site that allowed the anonymous sale of Chinese Macintosh, Ipad, Iphone counterfeits that were exactly like Apple's? Megaalmostmacmarket.com. I would allow the selling of real macs there, so I would be innocent of a crime since there would be real legit uses of the tech.

There are Chinese trading sites who sell a lot of counterfeit stuff including some of what you mentioned above

Young · 08-14-2012, 04:17 PM

This thread is irrelevant. GFY's thoughts on piracy are largely irrelevant.

Manwin posts on GFY - The same people who are frothing at the mouth over Kim Dot Com and MegaUpload are the same people licking Manwin's balls over their latest acquisition, site, or gesture to the industry.

I'd be willing to guess that at least one person in this thread (or others like it) slamming MegaUpload have praised Manwin in their past threads....including the recent 5-6 pager for Babes.com.

epitome · 08-14-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MakingItPay

I bet he would be against me opening a site that allowed the anonymous sale of Chinese Macintosh, Ipad, Iphone counterfeits that were exactly like Apple's? Megaalmostmacmarket.com. I would allow the selling of real macs there, so I would be innocent of a crime since there would be real legit uses of the tech.

Actually, Woz probably wouldn't care. Money has never been a motivator for him.

Barefootsies · 08-14-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MakingItPay

I would allow the selling of real macs there, so I would be innocent of a crime since there would be real legit uses of the tech.

Copyright and trademark infringement, to say the least. Not quite sure where the "innocent" is...

But thank you for providing my previous point in regards to the INTENT versus the technology.

MakingItPay · 08-14-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Copyright and trademark infringement, to say the least. Not quite sure where the "innocent" is...

But thank you for providing my previous point in regards to the INTENT versus the technology.

Yes, there are laws protecting his stuff. We need some for ours that have teeth. Do you believe megaupload does not have the intent of allowing copyright infringement? Do we believe the growth and earnings is not primarily derived from illegal activity? We need laws that will stop companies that do this.

MakingItPay · 08-14-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by epitome

Actually, Woz probably wouldn't care. Money has never been a motivator for him.

Yeah, right. He should give it all away. No more US festival because he was losing the stuff that wasn't motivating him.

MakingItPay · 08-14-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by halfpint

There are Chinese trading sites who sell a lot of counterfeit stuff including some of what you mentioned above

When apple finds out about them, I bet they get pissed. None of this freedom talk I bet.

L-Pink · 08-14-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

"If someone commits a crime shipping drugs on the sea, you don't drain the sea and say the sea is the problem. If they are mailing drugs through the post office you don't shut the post office down you try to get the people who are doing the wrong steps."

Get caught shipping drugs on the sea and your ass is in jail. Get caught sending anything illegal through the mail the feds will ruin your life. Set a business up based on theft of copyrighted property and you get arrested. Makes sense to me.

No one is saying drain the ocean, close down the post office or turn off the internet. Just arrest those that are breaking the law.

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MakingItPay · 08-14-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Get caught shipping drugs on the sea and your ass is in jail. Get caught sending anything illegal through the mail the feds will ruin your life. Set a business up based on theft of copyrighted property and you get arrested. Makes sense to me.

No one is saying drain the ocean, close down the post office or turn off the internet. Just arrest those that are breaking the law.

.

kane · 08-14-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Get caught shipping drugs on the sea and your ass is in jail. Get caught sending anything illegal through the mail the feds will ruin your life. Set a business up based on theft of copyrighted property and you get arrested. Makes sense to me.

No one is saying drain the ocean, close down the post office or turn off the internet. Just arrest those that are breaking the law.

.

Well stated.

Barefootsies · 08-14-2012, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MakingItPay

Do you believe megaupload does not have the intent of allowing copyright infringement? Do we believe the growth and earnings is not primarily derived from illegal activity?

I believe it's hard for file lockers who have affiliate programs for uploading content, and then 90% of their clients are uploading mass volumes of content, and it turns out to be copyright violations and DMCA notices all day long... to justify their motives and claim to be innocent.

I think any owner would find it hard to justify their true INTENT. Especially when the file locker is directly tied to feeding their forums and other sites. There are a number of ways to help prevent this. However, few seem to want to implement them because it would chase away their darkie uploaders

topsiteking · 08-14-2012, 05:21 PM

Steve Wozniak makes some great points!

Phoenix · 08-14-2012, 05:26 PM

hey there is a reason they kept him away from any actual business decisions at apple.

He is naive if he believes kim dot com is just someone offering a service that others are taking advantage of..lol

TheSquealer · 08-14-2012, 05:40 PM

These places are just there to display desks and chairs and white paint. Has nothing to do with Apple products.

http://birdabroad.wordpress.com/2011...ng-steve-jobs/

BareBacked · 08-14-2012, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim

But what percentage of the Post Office mail is used to violate the law? What percentage of the ocean is being used to violate the law? Probably less than 1%.

What percentage of MegaUpload content was violating copyright law?

His analogy doesn't really make sense here. I promise you if 50% of the mail carried by the post office was illegal, there would be HUGE calls to shut it down or regulate it.

MegaUpload isn't some special new technology that must be protected. There are countless legitimate places to upload your personal files, pictures, videos, back-ups, etc. Nobody is calling to shut those down. MegaUpload is simply the result of a guy seeing a loophole in a changing landscape and cashing in before laws and society caught up.

great points

Supz · 08-14-2012, 06:46 PM

wtf does he know. he is still using an apple 2E. The fact is megaupload caters to these types of people and knows they are their and does nothing to stop them. It is called Aiding and Abetting. That is a crime Mr. Apple Co-Founder.

anexsia · 08-14-2012, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mynameisjim

But what percentage of the Post Office mail is used to violate the law? What percentage of the ocean is being used to violate the law? Probably less than 1%.

Way more then 1%, tons of illegal things are shipped via mail everyday just like tons of illegal things come across the ocean everyday.

johnnyloadproductions · 08-14-2012, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by anexsia

Way more then 1%, tons of illegal things are shipped via mail everyday just like tons of illegal things come across the ocean everyday.

With the advent of the internet and other technologies it's a lot easier to obscure business practices.

Captain Kawaii · 08-15-2012, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

Quote from Steve Wozniak:-

"If someone commits a crime shipping drugs on the sea, you don't drain the sea and say the sea is the problem. If they are mailing drugs through the post office you don't shut the post office down you try to get the people who are doing the wrong steps."

http://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/you-don...zniak-dotcom-0

Has he always been such a bloated goat?

V_RocKs · 08-15-2012, 01:25 AM

The problem is that he actively recruited people to upload copywrited material. He paid them hundreds of dollars to do it.

It would be the same as a drug company having a founder that pays off the FDA to get approval then gets caught.

Klen · 08-15-2012, 02:38 AM

Hmm last time i checked packages which are sent at office are not publicly viewed or used.

tony286 · 08-15-2012, 04:56 AM

If you know his background it makes sense. He built and sold the blackbox with steve jobs which basically gave people the ability to make free phone calls.

Klen · 08-15-2012, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

If you know his background it makes sense. He built and sold the blackbox with steve jobs which basically gave people the ability to make free phone calls.

You mean bluebox? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_box

just a punk · 08-15-2012, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by wehateporn

Apple Co-Founder - MegaUpload just a 'Post Office', shouldn't be Shut Down

A post office... which pays your for sending out stolen things and packages with dopes.

I didn't know that Wozniak is such an idiot

Klen · 08-15-2012, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

A post office... which pays your for sending out stolen things and packages with dopes.

I didn't know that Wozniak is such an idiot

He is hipster so nothing unusual :D

adultmobile · 08-15-2012, 07:39 AM

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tony286 · 08-15-2012, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

You mean bluebox? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_box

Yep my bad.

helterskelter808 · 08-15-2012, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by adultmobile

Fascinating russian television will interview guru talking bad of US government censorship of internet, as Fox News will not; so Fox News will to talk bad of Putin censorship of internet back.

That's easy for you to say.

johnnyloadproductions · 08-15-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

If you know his background it makes sense. He built and sold the blackbox with steve jobs which basically gave people the ability to make free phone calls.

The Captain Crunch whistle, called phone phreaking.

Some hackers get off on bypassing the littlest things. Understanding technology is good but going out of your way to do something a little impractical is not.

Steve Jobs made tons money, Woz still made a lot but he's not a true business man like Jobs.

baddog · 08-15-2012, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

If you know his background it makes sense. He built and sold the blackbox with steve jobs which basically gave people the ability to make free phone calls.

No kidding. Fuck him.

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