APHSS Meeting with L.A. County Health Official Confirms 9 Adult Performers May Have Tested Positive

[Redrob]

CANOGA PARK, Calif. ? After a meeting yesterday with L.A. County Public Health (LACPH) officials, Free Speech Coalition Executive Director Diane Duke and Adult Production Health & Safety Services (APHSS.org) representatives have received confirmation that nine as-yet-unidentified adult performers have tested positive for syphilis.

Dr. Peter Kerndt, who is the Director of STI Programs for the County, informed Duke of the positive test results for adult performers. However, he refused to share any of the patient information with APHSS doctors, saying only that they had been reported to the County.

Kerndt also confirmed that the point of origin for the syphilis exposures has not been identified. According to Duke, only one of the two performers confirmed as positive through APHSS is part of group of nine identified by LACPH; presumably, performer Mr. Marcus, who has since gone public with positive syphilis test results. Kerndt indicated that there were positive tests for performers that likely preceded Mr. Marcus? positive test.

Since the other of the two positive results (confirmed by APHSS) occurred outside of the state of California this would mean that, between LACPH findings and the findings of APHSS, there could be up to ten performers total that may have tested positive for syphilis.

?This latest development only confirms the need for APHSS.org as a single, comprehensive source of performer data for adult production. Had the first performer who tested positive for syphilis been reported by their healthcare provider in a timely manner to APHSS, partner notification and positive performer separation would have occurred quickly enough to reduce the likelihood of transmission and perhaps the need for a moratorium,? Duke said after the meeting.

At one point during yesterday?s meeting, the APHSS doctor was asked by Dr. Kerndt to hand over patient records - including production records - for the two performers that tested positive for syphilis, as well as patient records for all performers that have tested and received treatment for syphilis through APHSS since the production moratorium was called. Both Duke and the APHSS doctor, present at the meeting, refused to comply with this request citing respect for patient privacy.

In line with APHSS.org protocols, as well as state and local regulations, all testing facilities affiliated with APHSS.org have and will report any positive STI test results to the county health department.

?Performer privacy is a top priority for APHSS,? Duke said. ?We will cooperate as much as possible with County Health officials - but only with the permission of these affected individuals, if they would like to come forward. If those individuals choose to release their information to the County, either through their medical providers or direct communication, that is their decision. APHSS providers are expected to, and do, fulfill all reporting requirements to the County. We hope to facilitate a cooperative working environment with County health officials, but will not compromise performer patient privacy.?

[Redrob]

?This latest development only confirms the need for APHSS.org as a single, comprehensive source of performer data for adult production. Had the first performer who tested positive for syphilis been reported by their healthcare provider in a timely manner to APHSS, partner notification and positive performer separation would have occurred quickly enough to reduce the likelihood of transmission and perhaps the need for a moratorium,? Duke said after the meeting.

Did TTS provide infected performers with immediate counselling with a real doctor, did they do any genealogy followup, did TTS notify any sex partners, or did they just report the performers to LA County and walk away?

You get what you pay for.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Did TTS provide infected performers with immediate counselling with a real doctor, did they do any genealogy followup, did TTS notify any sex partners, or did they just report the performers to LA County and walk away?

You get what you pay for.

So you're backing away from your claim that TTS may be lying about providing a falsified test for use by patient zero?

Edit: Also, how do you know TTS didn't do those things? Your only source is a proven liar.

[NemesisEnforcer]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Did TTS provide infected performers with immediate counselling with a real doctor, did they do any genealogy followup, did TTS notify any sex partners, or did they just report the performers to LA County and walk away?

You get what you pay for.

You mad bro?

[DWB]

Nice spin.

Most performers are not getting tested and are instead just getting a shot of penicillin, which was the whole idea so you don't have 100s of positive performers.

[mikesouth]

Mister Marcus stated today that TTS had nothing to do with his faked tests he said "It was all me"

now the question is who put him up to trying to frame TTS...how long before he rolls on Fabian or more likely Diane Duke....Then watch them call him liar.....

What a disgrace the FSC is to this industry. Seriously.

[Redrob]

Personally, I'm not backing away from anything that I have said.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Personally, I'm not backing away from anything that I have said.

So even though Mr. Marcus himself has now said that TTS did not provide him with a faked test, you're still standing by your statement that they may have provided him with a faked test?

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Did TTS provide infected performers with immediate counselling with a real doctor, did they do any genealogy followup, did TTS notify any sex partners, or did they just report the performers to LA County and walk away?

You get what you pay for.

aim did that stuff

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Did TTS provide infected performers with immediate counselling with a real doctor, did they do any genealogy followup, did TTS notify any sex partners, or did they just report the performers to LA County and walk away?

You get what you pay for.

yeah, your local public health clinic will do all of that for free. They do it everyday and have for decades.

[Redrob]

The question is not what the local public health clinic does. The question was what does TTS do?

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Redrob

The question is not what the local public health clinic does. The question was what does TTS do?

It let Mr. Marcus know that he had syphilis, which is what it is supposed to do. What happened after that is purely speculation originating from the camp of it's competitors.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Redrob

The question is not what the local public health clinic does. The question was what does TTS do?

TTS does exactly what AIM did before it. And just a few years ago there was NO testing.

Don't you think that maybe, must maybe all this publicity is BAD for this business?

If you were an employee at a bar back in the old days and brought bad publicity on the bar...the owner would have kicked your ass as he fired you.

This business was the same way. A CLOSED business. All this publicity is really, really BAD all the way around.

You don't see other businesses publicizing their dirty laundry with "press releases". Maybe we should all give that some thought. This business is already on life support thanks to piracy. It won't take much more (like a condom law) to finish it off in Los Angerles.

Then you and the FSC will all have to either move to another state or find another line of work. We all need to be working together and take care of our own without all this need for publicity.

[TiaLing]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

aim did that stuff

Yes they did .... dont care what anyone says AIM was a much better option and had a much better system than what is now available.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by TiaLing

Yes they did .... dont care what anyone says AIM was a much better option and had a much better system than what is now available.

Tia keep in mind that AIM was not only charging more than DOUBLE the actual cost of the test...but they also kept an unsecured database that Donny Long hacked and put your real name and address and Claudia Marie's name and address and thousands of other performers out in public.

Talk about a safety hazard.

That could have cost a performer his or her life at the hands of a crazy person.

[TiaLing]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Tia keep in mind that AIM was not only charging more than DOUBLE the actual cost of the test...but they also kept an unsecured database that Donny Long hacked and put your real name and address and Claudia Marie's name and address and thousands of other performers out in public.

Talk about a safety hazard.

That could have cost a performer his or her life at the hands of a crazy person.

I'm not paying much less now than i was then for a test in ohio, so everyone else must be charging close to double , as well. Bottom line I have no problem paying a little more for what aim offered. If you test positive, you get a prescription called in right away. No issues .... no hassle. Not the case now. Not too mention that since we have this 2 company crap now, many girls are paying for 2 tests anyway instead of one, since certain producers take one and not the other, so it's actually more costly.

If there was an outbreak or a positive testing, their was a database that could tell all who were exposed easily. Yes this was hacked into by some jackass exposing My name and many others .... and yes it should have been secured better .... but i blame the jackass that hacked it more than Aim. This could've been easily fixed by providing a more secure database. Now look at what we have as options ? You're seriously going to tell me this is a better option ? No one was even testing for Syphyllis at all until recently since Aim left and you think that's a good thing ? That's half the reason for this mess. Completely Fucked up that a test was faked, but it sounds like he was shooting for a long time being infected and didn't even know because it wasn't being tested for.

I'm not saying AIM was free from issues .... but i have to say it was a much better alternative than what we have now.

[mikesouth]

and lets not forget AIM bankrupted owing the testing lab more than 600K

and Tia werent you one of the girls unhappy about PWL having your info? they got it from AIM ya know. be careful what you wish for AIM was almost as big a fuckup as APHSS is

[TiaLing]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

and lets not forget AIM bankrupted owing the testing lab more than 600K

and Tia werent you one of the girls unhappy about PWL having your info? they got it from AIM ya know. be careful what you wish for AIM was almost as big a fuckup as APHSS is

Of course i was upset, but I'm sorry I just think the testing situation was much better and much safer back then than now. like i said , All situations have had issues .... but things have been a complete clusterfuck since AIM left. I think you'll find most talent agrees with me.

It Seems to me AIM gets more blame for the PWL situation than Donny Long ? Of course they deserve some of the blame, but they were not the party that did the whole thing.

[xXXtesy10]

Originally Posted by mikesouth

and lets not forget AIM bankrupted owing the testing lab more than 600K

and Tia werent you one of the girls unhappy about PWL having your info? they got it from AIM ya know. be careful what you wish for AIM was almost as big a fuckup as APHSS is

Who has the video of the "Dr Sharon" taking a facial in the test office? That shit was dope.

[Robbie]

Tia, I can see you feel strongly.

To me...it seems like the whole "testing" is still a pretty new thing. The industry didn't even do it when AIDS was actually an epidemic. It's only been going on the last decade (I started back in the 1990's as male talent...there was NO testing) To me, it's all a scam (I'm jaded)

As for "two companies"...TTS has been around for years. Companies accepted both AIM and TTS for years now.

Only the FSC is trying to shut down the "competition"...even though the FSC is the "rookie" in this whole thing.

Anyway, as I said...Go to your doctor. Have them send in an order to Lab Corp. Go get your blood drawn. The test for HIV, Gonorrhea, and Chlamydia is $55

The fact that AIM was charging you more than double was how the owner and "staff" bought themselves nice cars and homes. They didn't DO anything. They were just a middleman profiting off of your fears.
They made you feel "safe" and made a nice living off of that.

That's what I was trying to point out. And then to top it all off...they left their database wide open and ended up with everyone being put in danger.

EDIT: One other thing...I'm betting that AIM and TTS have a "bulk rate" deal with Lab Corp to do the testing and don't even pay the $55 that we just did last month. I'll bet they get a huge discount on testing because of how much business they send and therefore profited even MORE off of performers.
One would think that IF safety was really the issue that AIM would have (and TTS would now) pass on that savings to make it more affordable for talent to get tested and stay safe.
But surprise...their greed was all they cared about.

[NemesisEnforcer]

Originally Posted by Robbie

One would think that IF safety was really the issue that AIM would have (and TTS would now) pass on that savings to make it more affordable for talent to get tested and stay safe.
But surprise...their greed was all they cared about.

In the beginning, not only did AIM try to pass the savings on to the talent, they also asked the companies to participate by making donations as well as applying for grants. A number of companies made statements in the press saying they gave or was giving money to AIM and most didn't. Sharon really tried but her vision was quixotic. In the end, she had to attempt to run it as a profit center. Financially, doing business in California is a terrible position to be in.

Overall, isn't talent making good money and can pay for their own test at the current asking price?

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Tia, I can see you feel strongly.

To me...it seems like the whole "testing" is still a pretty new thing. The industry didn't even do it when AIDS was actually an epidemic. It's only been going on the last decade (I started back in the 1990's as male talent...there was NO testing) To me, it's all a scam (I'm jaded)

As for "two companies"...TTS has been around for years. Companies accepted both AIM and TTS for years now.

Only the FSC is trying to shut down the "competition"...even though the FSC is the "rookie" in this whole thing.

Anyway, as I said...Go to your doctor. Have them send in an order to Lab Corp. Go get your blood drawn. The test for HIV, Gonorrhea, and Chlamydia is $55

The fact that AIM was charging you more than double was how the owner and "staff" bought themselves nice cars and homes. They didn't DO anything. They were just a middleman profiting off of your fears.
They made you feel "safe" and made a nice living off of that.

That's what I was trying to point out. And then to top it all off...they left their database wide open and ended up with everyone being put in danger.

EDIT: One other thing...I'm betting that AIM and TTS have a "bulk rate" deal with Lab Corp to do the testing and don't even pay the $55 that we just did last month. I'll bet they get a huge discount on testing because of how much business they send and therefore profited even MORE off of performers.
One would think that IF safety was really the issue that AIM would have (and TTS would now) pass on that savings to make it more affordable for talent to get tested and stay safe.
But surprise...their greed was all they cared about.

What type of HIV test are you getting for that price?

[angeleyes]

Ok, I haven't had sex in about five years, so perhaps I lost my right to comment, but Syph is treated with antibiotics and cured, no? I've honestly never had an STD, but I do know this much. I would be way more worried about an HIV outbreak.

[DWB]

Originally Posted by epitome

It let Mr. Marcus know that he had syphilis, which is what it is supposed to do. What happened after that is purely speculation originating from the camp of it's competitors.

It worked perfectly. It was Mr. Marcus who caused the problem. Anyone who worked with him could have used TTS QR code to confirm the test. But they didn't, because they are lazy porn people who don't care about themselves or others. And if anyone questions that, look no further than the BangBros shoot where his outbreak was obvious and neither the producer, talent, or anyone involved at BangBros gave a shit.

Originally Posted by Robbie

TTS has been around for years. Companies accepted both AIM and TTS for years now.

Only the FSC is trying to shut down the "competition"...even though the FSC is the "rookie" in this whole thing.

All this time TTS has been working fine with no problems, then as soon as Manwin sticks its fingers in the pie, they are now trying to shut them down and creating lies about them. But this is how the Manwin virus operates.

I personally hope this blows up in their face.

[Nathan]

Just to make one thing clear here, the FSC has no interest in shutting down TTS. The FSC has approached them multiple times to get them inline with what is required. It is TTS that chose not to like the FSC. Why? No idea, and I am not here to cause yet another rumor-mill like many other people in this thread just love to do.

I agree with Robbie, that sadly the tests are overpriced. I think this has a little to do with how these places operate and the very low volume they process. The HIV Aptima test is very expensive and require special test tubes that come in bigger packs which are only usable for a certain amount of time once opened. This increases costs for smaller labs above and beyond the normal cost which a LabCorp type place has. Also, there is a doctor on staff in this places (APHSS ones at least) which obviously also increases costs. So again, few tests -> per test higher cost share of the doctor(s) on staff. I am trying to help by spending 50k a month to subsidize the tests, and this number might increase once we know better what is required. I still hope other studios will join too! Even if juts 1000 USD or so, it will help.

There needs to be a standard which lowers liability for everyone involved and makes the process in case of an outbreak as perfect as possible. It also needs to help keep private info private. This is what APHSS is trying to do and if anyone has a better idea, come up with it! Don't just complain that everything sucks, that's easy. Do not just talk big, act and setup your own system and show it to the industry!

The TTS system, after some of the changes they did when I asked them to is better, but sadly not all things were done and we are not comfortable with liability aspects of their procedures. TTS knows what they need to do to make me comfortable with them. I can not do that change for them.

Anyone that keeps saying Manwin tries to compete with other labs or some stupidity about controlling information flow is just insane. Trust me, if this were the case, I would be doing things VERY differently, its not that hard to achieve that, but its clearly not what we are doing now.

[Radical Bucks]

I laugh while they fight

[Redrob]

APHSS is not in the testing business. They are in the database business.

The required protocols put in place by APHSS in order to participate are for the health of the performers, the security of the performers personal information, and the convenience of performers, agents and producers to verify who is "greenlighted" to work.

Any testing lab that meets those protocols is welcome to participate.

[pornlaw]

Originally Posted by Nathan

There needs to be a standard which lowers liability for everyone involved and makes the process in case of an outbreak as perfect as possible.

What liability are you talking about in this quote ?

Originally Posted by Nathan

The TTS system, after some of the changes they did when I asked them to is better, but sadly not all things were done and we are not comfortable with liability aspects of their procedures.

Again, what liability ? You have already told me that Manwin USA has workers compensation insurance in California. I confirmed Manwin's insurance coverage in this database that shows that you are insured by Liberty Mutual Ins.

https://www.caworkcompcoverage.com/

So if you have work comp insurance, Manwin USA has no legal liability for an injury or infection that occurs on your set. If a performer, director, photographer, makeup artist ect. picks up an infection your insurance steps in and pays benefits.

Manwin USA's involvement in the testing procedures is akin to a construction company dictating the manufacturing process of hardhats that their employee wear while working.

Pick the hardhat you want for your construction site but if other employers want to use a different brand of hardhats that is there choice.

Has Manwin USA done an ergonomic evaluation of the chairs they purchased for your office workers in Burbank to sit on to make sure they are not causing back injuries ?

[NemesisEnforcer]

Originally Posted by pornlaw

What liability are you talking about in this quote ?



Again, what liability ? You have already told me that Manwin USA has workers compensation insurance in California. I confirmed Manwin's insurance coverage in this database that shows that you are insured by Liberty Mutual Ins.

https://www.caworkcompcoverage.com/

So if you have work comp insurance, Manwin USA has no legal liability for an injury or infection that occurs on your set. If a performer, director, photographer, makeup artist ect. picks up an infection your insurance steps in and pays benefits.

Manwin USA's involvement in the testing procedures is akin to a construction company dictating the manufacturing process of hardhats that their employee wear while working.

Pick the hardhat you want for your construction site but if other employers want to use a different brand of hardhats that is there choice.

Has Manwin USA done an ergonomic evaluation of the chairs they purchased for your office workers in Burbank to sit on to make sure they are not causing back injuries ?

I'm glad you said something. I've always thought Manwin was increasing their liability by getting involved in the process. Our attorney told us to stay out of it as well.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by epitome

What type of HIV test are you getting for that price?

As I arleady stated...the EXACT SAME HIV TEST that TTS and AIM before them used...from the SAME LAB (LabCorp)

It's the ABS HIV Aptima test and part of the panel that includes Chlamydia, and Gonorrhea.

If you are trying to insinuate that we got some kind of "inferior" test...you are 100% off base in thinking that.

We went to our REAL doctor and told him what was going on with adult testing (he knows what we do for a living). We told him the price and he laughed.

He wrote Claudia Marie a standing order for a year to go to Lab Corp (where every major doctor and hospital sends their samples for testing) and get blood drawn and tested.

Total price each time: $55

And since we did it with our REAL doctor...my health insurance covers it 100%

[JP-pornshooter]

Manwin is doing their best to comply with the local CA laws, they have helped to implement a testing standard which is superior to that which was previously considered standard. Even donated a testing machine which tests for HIV is a superior way than what was used previously.
They are not doing that because they are nice and friendly folks.
They are protecting their business, they see how fragile the testing aspect have been with AIM out and the condom people pushing for laws.
California is very important production location to Manwin, the access to American talent and behind the camera talent is not found elsewhere in the world.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by NemesisEnforcer

I'm glad you said something. I've always thought Manwin was increasing their liability by getting involved in the process. Our attorney told us to stay out of it as well.

I'm not a lawyer...but that's exactly what I think too. All these people playing "doctor" are gonna end up getting bit in the ass when the next "Mr. Marcus" comes along and figures out a way to game their system OR the next "Donny Long" comes along and hacks that database and gets somebody killed.

The lawsuits are going to be outrageous.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter

California is very important production location to Manwin, the access to American talent and behind the camera talent is not found elsewhere in the world.

But wouldn't you say that the FSC publicizing everything to get attention for themselves is going to lead to the condom law becoming permanently entrenched.

Once that happens...all that talent and shooters are going to have two choices: Either get a job at Walmart, or move to ANOTHER state.

That's what seems to be happening now.

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Robbie

As I arleady stated...the EXACT SAME HIV TEST that TTS and AIM before them used...from the SAME LAB (LabCorp)

It's the ABS HIV Aptima test and part of the panel that includes Chlamydia, and Gonorrhea.

If you are trying to insinuate that we got some kind of "inferior" test...you are 100% off base in thinking that.

We went to our REAL doctor and told him what was going on with adult testing (he knows what we do for a living). We told him the price and he laughed.

He wrote Claudia Marie a standing order for a year to go to Lab Corp (where every major doctor and hospital sends their samples for testing) and get blood drawn and tested.

Total price each time: $55

And since we did it with our REAL doctor...my health insurance covers it 100%

Don't get testy. Just wanted to make sure you were not getting the $20 Elisa rather than "exactly what AIM had."

[Redrob]

Robbie, the fact that 8 additional syphilis positive cases were directly reported to LA County Health Department and nobody did a genealogy followup doesn't figure in your logic trying to blame FSC/APHSS.

Just saying....

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by epitome

Don't get testy. Just wanted to make sure you were not getting the $20 Elisa rather than "exactly what AIM had."

I'm not sure that Aim ever had this particular test (I'm pretty sure they used an older style test?). What I said was I'm using LabCorp which is the same lab that these "middlemen" adult testing people send your blood to to be tested.

I would also think that since AIM (and now TTS...and the FSC) would have such a high number of "referrals" that they would be charged a much LESS amount for each test. (they are basically buying in bulk).

So their profit is more likely much higher.

[Redrob]

The FSC and APHSS are not in the testing business. They are in the database business as I previously stated. They don't do testing.

[mikesouth]

Fabian is so full of shit You can bet your ass that him and the FSC (who are one and the same) want TTS gone because as long as TTS is around APHSS is going to fail

But lets forget all the BS for a moment

APHSS and by extension Manwin, The FSC, CET and Cerf Labs (Diagnostics?) are all now under investigation by authorities....TTS is NOT

Whats that tell ya?

[Redrob]

It could mean that TTS is working directly with AHF and LA County Health. Just wondering?

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Redrob

Robbie, the fact that 8 additional syphilis positive cases were directly reported to LA County Health Department and nobody did a genealogy followup doesn't figure in your logic trying to blame FSC/APHSS.

Just saying....

Who is supposed to do a "genealogy followup"?
Redrob...you're not a doctor. You don't even play one on t.v.

Syphilis should be treated by a doctor. As long as you caught it recently...it's treated by a cheap shot of penicillin. A week later you're cured.

The answer is simple here.

Have all the talent who has shot with L.A. talent sent to their OWN REAL DOCTOR. They should tell the doctor that they may have come into contact with syphilis. The doctor will take a sample to test and treat them. A couple of days later the doctor will tell them what the result was.

One way or another..within a few days they will be cured. (Unless they are the rare case like Mr. Marcus and have second stage syp, which would require a couple of more shots and 2 more weeks)

THEN after that first week...have the entire talent pool retested. TTS works just fine for that. Or your rookies can do it too.
Use the syphilis test that only indicates CURRENT infection...not the one that shows if you ever had it in your whole life (that one is useless).

Now you have a clean talent pool. No need to have all this publicity and bullshit that is KILLING our business.

I wonder how many people can now sell memberships to sites with Mr. Marcus and/or any of the girls he infected? Or how much money the girls themselves are losing on webcams and/or escorting and stripping because of the publicity?

Every time you guys publicize this to the public...you kill this business a little more.

[Redrob]

LA County Health has a direct pipeline into the industy's testing resources and announced the additional cases. I'd be surprised if AHF isn't also working the info to their best advantage.

The FSC has only worked to mitigate the damage caused by others in my opinion.

[mikesouth]

what it means is the FSC, Manwin, CET and APHSS FUCKED UP

Thanks you fucking disgraceful morons...you just handed AHF that condom referendum they wanted...

If you guys didn't have feet you couldn't shoot anything....

[Redrob]

You don't think LA County Health and AHF are already using the information to their advantage? FSC is working to mitigate the damage to our industry caused by others in my opinion.

If the FSC didn't announce that they realized there was a problem, that they had a plan to solve the problem, and the solution was undertaken by the industry, the situation would be much worse. It would look like we were ignoring the problem, had no plan, and were doing nothing about it.

Now, how would that benefit the adult entertainment industry?

[mikesouth]

Despite you guys spin to the contrary pretty much everyone in porn outside the FSC can clearly see that the FSC IS the PROBLEM NOT the solution.

You guys need to clean house, stop letting fabian pull your strings, and stick to what you know

Im not sure what it is you know but it clearly isnt testing, anti-piracy, or pro industry lobbying.

You do have a pretty good grip on how to sell us out though..

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

Originally Posted by Redrob

The FSC and APHSS are not in the testing business. They are in the database business as I previously stated. They don't do testing.

How much, or what percentage of each test, is contributed/paid to the FSC and APHSS for their "database" service?

In other words, what is the FSC and APHSS getting as a payout per person, for not being in the testing business, and simply for assisting with the database, if that is the extent of what they are doing for their share of the quasi-mandatory testing loot?

ADG

[epitome]

Originally Posted by Redrob

You don't think LA County Health and AHF are already using the information to their advantage? FSC is working to mitigate the damage to our industry caused by others in my opinion.

If the FSC didn't announce that they realized there was a problem, that they had a plan to solve the problem, and the solution was undertaken by the industry, the situation would be much worse. It would look like we were ignoring the problem, had no plan, and were doing nothing about it.

Now, how would that benefit the adult entertainment industry?

Now you are insulting the industry. Were there were not studios that stopped production and called for others to do so before FSC advised the same?

[The Porn Nerd]

Two quick things here:

1. Any publicity that comes from this may hurt this Industry but needs to happen because so many performers are escorting these days that this outbreak could enter the "general population". It's already international, with cases in Hungary, Czech Republic, Italy, Russia and more.

2. We have photos of Mr. Marcus' infected dick that date back to MARCH 2012. So do the math...

3. What "Industry"?

Okay that was 3 things....

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by MisterPeabody

Two quick things here:

1. Any publicity that comes from this may hurt this Industry but needs to happen because so many performers are escorting these days that this outbreak could enter the "general population". It's already international, with cases in Hungary, Czech Republic, Italy, Russia and more.

I disagree that it "needs to happen"

"Performers" always have escorted. THEY are the only ones who needed to be told in a discreet manner so they could see a doctor and make sure that they are not infected.

Trust me...strippers and hookers have ALWAYS been the cleanest girls (in general) because they make their money with their pussy and keep it clean. Way before the internet, and way before the FSC ever decided that "press releases" were a good idea when discussing this kind of thing.

Discretion should have and should BE used. Even RedRob starting this thread with that title is fucking dumb and hurts our industry.
This thread wasn't necessary in any way except to try and keep the FSC in the limelight.

They were pretty ineffectual in doing what they were supposed to do in the beginning of the FSC.

Then the last couple of years...they decided to be THE experts on an anti-piracy solution without any prior experience...AND locking out the people who are experts.
And we see how good that worked out..it FAILED miserably.

So now they are going into the testing business.

It would be funny if they weren't stomping around like bulls in a china shop and fucking everything up with their "press releases".

Hey FSC: How about instead of pretending to be a testing center...how about actually getting some FSC attorneys together and fighting the goddamn condom law and being SUCCESSFUL at it instead of failing?
You know...what the FSC is actually SUPPOSED to be doing.

[Redrob]

As I said before, the FSC does not operate a testing center or pretend to be one.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Redrob

As I said before, the FSC does not operate a testing center or pretend to be one.

In that case..STOP making pronouncements on behalf of an industry that none of you are even a part of.

Rob, what you guys are doing is wrong. I can see it. Everyone who is actually IN this business can see it. Hell, even Stevie Wonder called me on the phone and said he can see it! lol

Just stop. Nobody asked for the FSC's help, except maybe to fight the condom law in court where the FSC belongs.