Real Adult Reality Shows, mainstream online reality shows, live adult events - where are those ?

[gallerypost]

i've done some research in the last cpl of days and tried to find online reality shows (mainly main stream ones). i searched for US and worldwide ones. i havn't really found those. seems like tv reality shows like big brother, etc.. works great, i never understood why there aren't any online ones (and i don't mean tv based ones with online live feeds like big brother).

I've tried to search for some kind of an adult version of those and i don't really think that there is a real adult reality shows.

All of the live cam sites are pretty much the same. the only "major" change on that area was the "tokens" and that was like a few years ago. all of the new/old sites are the same.

except for big sister that was online until a year or two ago i never saw any other kind of real live adult shows except for the regular type cam sites.

am i missing something ? i'm sure that there is a lot of $ to be made on that area, specially now with all of the tubes, etc.. that making $ by selling payed access to whatever everyone get get for free just by searching in google isn't really working.

[Klen]

Well the problem is with bigsister they mostly advertise it on tv channels and you cant make money for internet site if you advertise it on other media.

[gallerypost]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Well the problem is with bigsister they mostly advertise it on tv channels and you cant make money for internet site if you advertise it on other media.

The question is why nobody did something similiar int he US, free swinger parties with everything free just you are going to be on cam.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by gallerypost

The question is why nobody did something similiar int he US, free swinger parties with everything free just you are going to be on cam.

Because this industry thinks in a box.

[gallerypost]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Because this industry thinks in a box.

It's probably more than that... i mean, the costs to setup something like that this days isn't that high (comparing to some of the production costs of some of the paysites like dancingbear, partyhardcore, etc..) + now that every day there is less and less $ in streaming/downloading videos, etc... it's the perfect time...

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by gallerypost

It's probably more than that... i mean, the costs to setup something like that this days isn't that high (comparing to some of the production costs of some of the paysites like dancingbear, partyhardcore, etc..) + now that every day there is less and less $ in streaming/downloading videos, etc... it's the perfect time...

I don't know the set up costs, so forgive me for that. Big Sister cost a fortune and was run badly. So a few ideas off the top of my head.

A live Webcam operation set it up with a room for couples to come in at different times and perform for tips or to perform for the scenes to be leased to paysites. On a per viewer, per minute payment scheme. Might be easier to link it to BW.

Set up a small webcam facility in peoples home, one room. Give them a schedule for performances. Then sell it as I explained above.

For sites like Homegrown and My Dirty Hobby it seems a no brainer. As well as recorded video, which they still sell. The members get to see a live show and to participate in some remote way.

Take the idea and think how it will work, rather than read my name and think how it won't. Which means not having to adapt.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I don't know the set up costs, so forgive me for that. Big Sister cost a fortune and was run badly. So a few ideas off the top of my head.

A live Webcam operation set it up with a room for couples to come in at different times and perform for tips or to perform for the scenes to be leased to paysites. On a per viewer, per minute payment scheme. Might be easier to link it to BW.

Set up a small webcam facility in peoples home, one room. Give them a schedule for performances. Then sell it as I explained above.

For sites like Homegrown and My Dirty Hobby it seems a no brainer. As well as recorded video, which they still sell. The members get to see a live show and to participate in some remote way.

Take the idea and think how it will work, rather than read my name and think how it won't. Which means not having to adapt.

Such operation would still need to be set in CZ again due to price difference
of girls in usa and europe.Also there is chance how same system would be considered as prostitution in usa(considering only female is paid)so in shortly it must be in europe. But yes it cost fortune and only company with huge funds could do something like that.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by KlenTelaris

Such operation would still need to be set in CZ again due to price difference of girls in usa and Europe. Also there is chance how same system would be considered as prostitution in usa(considering only female is paid)so in shortly it must be in europe. But yes it cost fortune and only company with huge funds could do something like that.

Need a US lawyer on the law regarding a live show being a form of prostitution.

As for the cost, what would it be to set it up?

Camera, high speed connection, programming once written is a one off.

It seems many webcam studios already have it. An Amateur Porn niche would be in people's homes. Can you explain more.

Not my field.

[adultmobile]

For male-female live sex, even free, look cam4, chaturbate, camfuze. For female solo or lesbian live sex, even free, look the above 3 plus myfreecams, tubecamgirl and several others. For these shows live made by porn actors: not going to happen on daily basis - it is too easy to get 2 people to fuck for free logged-in on cam4 with a livecam on

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

For male-female live sex, even free, look cam4, chaturbate, camfuze. For female solo or lesbian live sex, even free, look the above 3 plus myfreecams, tubecamgirl and several others. For these shows live made by porn actors: not going to happen on daily basis - it is too easy to get 2 people to fuck for free logged-in on cam4 with a livecam on

So how do paid for webcam sites still exist.

Think how it can work, not how it won't work.

[candyflip]

Playboy TV has all sorts of adult reality shows. They've even got one like Big Brother where they throw some swingers together and let the action unfold.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So how do paid for webcam sites still exist.

Think how it can work, not how it won't work.

The free live show sites above (include ours) are doing money, and most of the models are doing money too. Despite 95% of the people watch for free, 5% are paying, and some of these few people, drop $100+ tips at once, or do 2 hours long private.

It is the freemium model:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemium

"Freemium is a business model by which a product or service (typically a digital offering such as software, media, games or web services) is provided free of charge, but a premium is charged for advanced features, functionality, or virtual goods".

Especially interesting it is the Free-to-play model for video games, most ipnone and android mobile games who make most revenue (money, income, cash) to its producers, are this way now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play

"Free-to-play (F2P) refers to any video game or social or mobile application that has the option of allowing its players/users to play/download without paying.
... finding wider adoption among games released by major video game publishers to combat video game piracy [game is free download & use from publisher, so piracy have no meaning]. Since games using the concept are available at no cost to players, they use other means to gather revenue, such as charging money for certain in-game items (like powerful bonuses which are usually available for real money only)"

In video games you buy in-game items to be more powerful, which is optional as if you're skilled you can win the same, but people are lame and in hurry in play games so they buy this.. after they committed lots of time in play there and want to win.

In adult: you can see the full nude and play show for free [so piracy issue is solved, there can be as much free porn in internet, you don't care], but, the ca, model will reply to hellos and be friendly (or paint nickname on body) only to who sends a good tip or make private chats. So the extra item, which is optional but someone always is there (even 1% of people) who will pay for it, even just to look the boss of the room and more alpha male than the cheap freeloaders.

I hope the explanation above is sufficient.

[Paul Markham]

So why wouldn't my ideas work on the tips basis?

You posted why it should work.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So why wouldn't my ideas work on the tips basis?

You posted why it should work.

If your idea should work, you should be able to setup it, put it online on the cam sites I listed, and doing money.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

If your idea should work, you should be able to setup it, put it online on the cam sites I listed, and doing money.

I'm retired. Just throwing up ideas.

If no one thinks they can be tweaked to work then good enough.

One minute you're telling us how people tip performers. Then telling us a tipping system won't work for live shows on a paysite.

Maybe it would work best on a Cam site. But how about selling the feed to paysites as an extra form of income. What do they have to lose?

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

One minute you're telling us how people tip performers. Then telling us a tipping system won't work for live shows on a paysite.

Maybe it would work best on a Cam site. But how about selling the feed to paysites as an extra form of income. What do they have to lose?

I started providing feeds for pay site member areas, some 10 years ago. Then their member areas got less and less subscribers esp. after 2008. I am sure I am saying nothing shocking or new until there. Then it is more effective to have the show free and open, why to hide it inside a member area only 1 every 5,000 it is going to enter? It is the same of advertise your stuff inside a box behind a door in a secondary street.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

I started providing feeds for pay site member areas, some 10 years ago. Then their member areas got less and less subscribers esp. after 2008. I am sure I am saying nothing shocking or new until there. Then it is more effective to have the show free and open, why to hide it inside a member area only 1 every 5,000 it is going to enter? It is the same of advertise your stuff inside a box behind a door in a secondary street.

Thank you for explaining it. Good answer, just a bit more.

So no profit in doing it both ways?

Would paysites pay for the facility?

Would members on paysites tip?

With the decline of paysites, is it worth bothering with?

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Thank you for explaining it. Good answer, just a bit more.
?

You ask me lots of stuff like I am an oracle, do you actually believe in me?

- So no profit in doing it both ways?
Profit:
1) The (cam) sites with enough customers can make profit themselves, but this is only a few big sites, no way a small (or new) cam site can do profit with a live event, it would be just a loss you can do a few times for advertising purposes.
2) The performers: those few in top page of the top cam sites can do money (even a lot-top myfreecams page is a $20,000 per 14 days period), but this is at expense of the hundreds or thousands of other performers in the lower and last pages who are doing very small, too small. Some solo sites got live shows made obviously for self promotion by its owner or content, but they would not do for same few pennies a same show for a 3rd party site.

Would paysites pay for the facility?
- Yes but only those with many members, and this is becoming rare, trend it is smaller pay member areas, not bigger ones. Some could pay for a while, then see income is too few and give up paying. Also note that only a small % of the people who like prerecorded porn, will like live shows, and by ask access to a member area you keep out some of them, as you need who both want live show and a member area, this is a too tight filter. Usually member areas want the live show for free and even get a % of any private. In fact, we got the cam plugin placed in member areas and we PAY them to have it there

- Would members on paysites tip?
Yes, but as told before, people liking live shows are a different group of people from those liing prerecorded content. So at join page you select those who want member area access, and keep out lots of those who wanted live content. I believe more in live sites on its own, and free access. Free member areas can still grow, or fake free let's say, where it is free but someone pays even if you recommend them not to pay as this is free. This is hard to understand because most would not pay if not forced to, but the sickness of human mind it is endless. Still member areas are normally too small to support a live show, except perhaps manwin member area, or very specifically kink.com for fetish shows. This is not something for the casual adult site to support.

- With the decline of paysites, is it worth bothering with?
New Live shows for paysites: may be worth if done as a multi-member-area platform, where a same live show it is accessed by dozens of programs member areas. There are a few programs doing it since years (include ours, payserve etc.) and I don't see it as growing market anymore. Also each program have own friends and enemies and longstanding cam deals with someone else, so it is not going to be a deal.
There may be space as site on its own, freemium access, an example it is chaturbate, but it could be made more like a big brother, or some more professionalism, even I am unsure this is appreciated (the professionalism).
Just a curiosity, I helped a russian studio to do a cam site where they have 24/7 cams pointed on kitchen, bath tube and such, target it is russian users:

http://www.elita-girl.com/chat/Кухня
http://www.elita-girl.com/chat/Ванна

Good luck to them.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by adultmobile

- With the decline of paysites, is it worth bothering with?
New Live shows for paysites: may be worth if done as a multi-member-area platform, where a same live show it is accessed by dozens of programs member areas. There are a few programs doing it since years (include ours, payserve etc.) and I don't see it as growing market anymore. Also each program have own friends and enemies and longstanding cam deals with someone else, so it is not going to be a deal.

Multi paysite is the way to go. Selling it to Manwin as a plug in to all their sites and with the tips and the other models you have a winner.

Can't saturate the product as a live show is always exclusive to the person watching it.

Everyone I saw a year or so back was just a link to a cam site. Educate me if I'm wrong. Payserve was one of them.

[gallerypost]

What about more simple idea, instead of paying for models (male and female one) setup a vacation apartment/houses are something simliar where they get the place 4 free plus food, drinks, w/e... and they agree for the place to be broadcasted on HD live on the net.

OR it shouldn't be just an apartment it could be something like the ggw bus, like a big suv or even a bus with food, drinks, music, etc.... it will be parking outside clubs and simliar places where a cpl who met on the club looking for a place to fuck they can goto that car. get everything for free for like an hour but they need to agree to get broadcasted.

sounds like opteration costs for something like that would be very low. assuming there aren't legal issues i think it's a good concept.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by gallerypost

What about more simple idea, instead of paying for models (male and female one) setup a vacation apartment/houses are something simliar where they get the place 4 free plus food, drinks, w/e... and they agree for the place to be broadcasted on HD live on the net.

Bigbrotherxxx.com Great idea.

[Paul Markham]

Thought about this some more. Could be models appearing for the free holiday at a luxurious villa or for pay on a member per minute return or tips.

Adapt and innovate.

[Klen]

Originally Posted by gallerypost

What about more simple idea, instead of paying for models (male and female one) setup a vacation apartment/houses are something simliar where they get the place 4 free plus food, drinks, w/e... and they agree for the place to be broadcasted on HD live on the net.

OR it shouldn't be just an apartment it could be something like the ggw bus, like a big suv or even a bus with food, drinks, music, etc.... it will be parking outside clubs and simliar places where a cpl who met on the club looking for a place to fuck they can goto that car. get everything for free for like an hour but they need to agree to get broadcasted.

sounds like opteration costs for something like that would be very low. assuming there aren't legal issues i think it's a good concept.

I watched a polish drama movie where they had some kind of that reality show where female was living in house monitored 24/7 and fully watched(everything was inside a signle room,including shower and toilet)and she was also picking a guy for sex but when that occurred her dad came in and throw a brick into house to stop it.Not sure was that reality show just a pure fantasy or it was indeed based on some real polish reality show.