Anti-Downloading Law Hits Japan, Up To 2 Years in Prison From Today - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Captain Kawaii · 10-01-2012, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Yes, there has never been a popular free file sharing system in the West.

Redrob nailed it. Its not about systems. Its about intentions.

Paul Markham · 10-01-2012, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

It sure leads police to where the crime took place though doesn't it?

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And where the investigation starts. Only a fool thinks people go to prison based only on an IP address. Pirates might tell you it happens, follow Piratebay for the updates.

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Where do they say anything about getting a search warrant and getting forensic teams to comb hard drives? Unlikely a culture that understand technology would suggest such a ridiculous idea...I presume you're just talking out of your arse on this?

Indeed in Japan this poor lady would be in prison.

http://www.globalreports.com/?article=60

Glad we agree.

Glad you're back. Explain to people why you're not keeping your promise of donating to charity.

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

After reading Japanese news and talking to some friends here in Japan. Not that anyone cares. But here is how it may pan out.

New law is not intended to catch everyone. Keep in mind, record companies have a lot of power n Japan. Even more than in US. They regularly force ISP's to give up the goods on users. If the ISP data matches the record labels data, they get a warrant. They claim to have the ability to pinpoint.

So if they can show reasonable belief you are downloading, Police come and knock and then confiscate every computer and mobile device at the address. If they find nothing, you get everything back, no issue. If they find downloads you can be arrested.

Now keep in mind, in Japan,the moment the police come you are labeled a potential criminal. Your photos go up, name goes out and even neighborhood general address can be revealed. Unless you are a bunch of scumbags and don't care about being seriously isolated by everyone you now, your entire family will move far far away.

What makes Japan unique is that this is a huge problem for whole family. You may lose your job, family is disgraced, lives are shattered. What Japanese pols are speculating on is that 90% of the population just won't take the chance.

Apparently p2p has seen radical drops in usage recently.

They'll bust a few radicals or dimwits and make them examples for the rest. It generally works, over past 2-3000 years.

Just sayin.

Did you read that Damian?

Press Release Pro · 10-01-2012, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

After reading Japanese news and talking to some friends here in Japan. Not that anyone cares. But here is how it may pan out.

New law is not intended to catch everyone. Keep in mind, record companies have a lot of power n Japan. Even more than in US. They regularly force ISP's to give up the goods on users. If the ISP data matches the record labels data, they get a warrant. They claim to have the ability to pinpoint.

So if they can show reasonable belief you are downloading, Police come and knock and then confiscate every computer and mobile device at the address. If they find nothing, you get everything back, no issue. If they find downloads you can be arrested.

Now keep in mind, in Japan,the moment the police come you are labeled a potential criminal. Your photos go up, name goes out and even neighborhood general address can be revealed. Unless you are a bunch of scumbags and don't care about being seriously isolated by everyone you now, your entire family will move far far away.

What makes Japan unique is that this is a huge problem for whole family. You may lose your job, family is disgraced, lives are shattered. What Japanese pols are speculating on is that 90% of the population just won't take the chance.

Apparently p2p has seen radical drops in usage recently.

They'll bust a few radicals or dimwits and make them examples for the rest. It generally works, over past 2-3000 years.

Just sayin.

Most copyright lobbyist would go out of business because it would make the problem go away, they would never try to pass that...
Would watching streaming pirated content make you a sex offender ?

Yanks_Todd · 10-01-2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GetSCORECash

It is going to be hard to get these freeloaders to convert to pay customers unless more all you can eat music stores open up.

Well they all used to be paying customers. The wild west of the digital age will be a blip in it's overall timeline.

Yanks_Todd · 10-01-2012, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey

should be illegal to inflate prices over 200% as well.

You run a business?

helterskelter808 · 10-01-2012, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Redrob nailed it. Its not about systems. Its about intentions.

What are you talking about? Torrents work because the intention of people is to share for free. Same with other p2p systems that came before. Same with Usenet, where people were sharing mp3s for free for years before Napster appeared. Who shares 'for profit' in the West?

Yanks_Todd · 10-01-2012, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

How much did you pay Sanrio to use that avatar?

How much did you pay Seth Casteel to use that avatar?

How much did you pay 20th Century Fox to use 'hypnotoad' in your sig?

How much did Sanrio, Seth Casteel and 20th Century Fox lose by these sig and avatar uses? My bet is zero dollars, euros or pounds. That is the important fact.

Yanks_Todd · 10-01-2012, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

How much did you pay Sanrio to use that avatar?

How much did you pay Seth Casteel to use that avatar?

How much did you pay 20th Century Fox to use 'hypnotoad' in your sig?

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

After reading Japanese news and talking to some friends here in Japan. Not that anyone cares. But here is how it may pan out.

New law is not intended to catch everyone. Keep in mind, record companies have a lot of power n Japan. Even more than in US. They regularly force ISP's to give up the goods on users. If the ISP data matches the record labels data, they get a warrant. They claim to have the ability to pinpoint.

So if they can show reasonable belief you are downloading, Police come and knock and then confiscate every computer and mobile device at the address. If they find nothing, you get everything back, no issue. If they find downloads you can be arrested.

Now keep in mind, in Japan,the moment the police come you are labeled a potential criminal. Your photos go up, name goes out and even neighborhood general address can be revealed. Unless you are a bunch of scumbags and don't care about being seriously isolated by everyone you now, your entire family will move far far away.

What makes Japan unique is that this is a huge problem for whole family. You may lose your job, family is disgraced, lives are shattered. What Japanese pols are speculating on is that 90% of the population just won't take the chance.

Apparently p2p has seen radical drops in usage recently.

They'll bust a few radicals or dimwits and make them examples for the rest. It generally works, over past 2-3000 years.

Just sayin.

Interesting. Good post

Robertwm · 10-01-2012, 11:18 PM

Strict but fair law.
Once caught, the penalty! The second time, in jail!

Paul Markham · 10-02-2012, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Press Release Pro

Most copyright lobbyist would go out of business because it would make the problem go away, they would never try to pass that...
Would watching streaming pirated content make you a sex offender ?

What are you talking about?

Copyright lobbyist are paid for not getting the laws changed, by the people who want the laws changed?

DamianJ · 10-02-2012, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Did you read that Damian?

Well I read someone say "may" "might" and "possibly" a lot.

Anyway Paul, who cares what we think about it? Really.

We both agree that if you can prove beyond reasonable doubt someone committed a crime they should be punished. You are willing to let the government and police snoop on everything everyone does online forgoing any freedom or privacy, and you think that a policeman is qualified enough to enter a property and remove all the storage devices contained within. I disagree with you on those two points, but so what?

I'm off to Florida for a week tomorrow. Enjoy shouting at clouds.

Paul Markham · 10-02-2012, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Well I read someone say "may" "might" and "possibly" a lot.

Anyway Paul, who cares what we think about it? Really.

We both agree that if you can prove beyond reasonable doubt someone committed a crime they should be punished. You are willing to let the government and police snoop on everything everyone does online forgoing any freedom or privacy, and you think that a policeman is qualified enough to enter a property and remove all the storage devices contained within. I disagree with you on those two points, but so what?

I'm off to Florida for a week tomorrow. Enjoy shouting at clouds.

Can you explain why you don't keep promises?

DamianJ · 10-02-2012, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Can you explain why you don't keep promises?

I already have. Have you forgotten already?

Can you explain why you said teachers need "a will of iron" to resist fucking the children in their care?

Did you read about the teacher who ran off with the 15 year old girl was done for child abduction?

Paul Markham · 10-02-2012, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

I already have. Have you forgotten already?

Are you serious about caring what I think?

https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19202149&postcount=32

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Can you explain why you said teachers need "a will of iron" to resist fucking the children in their care?

Did you read about the teacher who ran off with the 15 year old girl was done for child abduction?

You answered the question for me. Do you agree with me on this?

- Jesus Christ - · 10-02-2012, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by scottybuzz

please explain further?

IMO When this news is made public people will shit themselves. Thus lower demand which affects the supply.

It might effect people in Japan due to their social culture, but a threat as a deterrent is a horrible long term solution to any problem.

The distorted logic of punishing demand is what has created the massive list of "sex offenders" full of people who don't belong there. (See the recent story about people in California ending up on the registry for public nudity.)

https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1083048

My perspective is that a market where people are constantly struggling to use the power of a violent government monopoly for their economic issues is not a free market.

helterskelter808 · 10-02-2012, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Yanks_Todd

How much did Sanrio, Seth Casteel and 20th Century Fox lose by these sig and avatar uses? My bet is zero dollars, euros or pounds. That is the important fact.

Likewise when people make copies of (ie, download) movies or music (or porn) that they had no intention of buying, how much did the producer lose? Zero.

Relentless · 10-02-2012, 06:11 AM

Big fines make a lot of sense, jail time makes zero sense.

Jailing people costs money and does nothing to compensate rights holders.
I'd much rather see 100K fine with guaranteed damages paid to rights holders and zero jail time.

Paul Markham · 10-02-2012, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

Big fines make a lot of sense, jail time makes zero sense.

Jailing people costs money and does nothing to compensate rights holders.
I'd much rather see 100K fine with guaranteed damages paid to rights holders and zero jail time.

Make jail time or fine optional, the convicted can choose.

DamianJ · 10-02-2012, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Relentless

Big fines make a lot of sense, jail time makes zero sense.

Jailing people costs money and does nothing to compensate rights holders.
I'd much rather see 100K fine with guaranteed damages paid to rights holders and zero jail time.

Problem with the big fines is that the people can't pay them. Every case I've heard of, even the big profile Fisher ones, they end up settling for cents in the dollar amounts awarded. Also, historically it hasn't worked. The MPAA and RIAA tried it for years and piracy increased. So, it doesn't appear to be an effective deterrent.

Paul Markham · 10-02-2012, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Problem with the big fines is that the people can't pay them. Every case I've heard of, even the big profile Fisher ones, they end up settling for cents in the dollar amounts awarded. Also, historically it hasn't worked. The MPAA and RIAA tried it for years and piracy increased. So, it doesn't appear to be an effective deterrent.

Bit like donations and people not paying.

Try not paying the criminal courts and see how that works for you.

Major (Tom) · 10-02-2012, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

I love idiots pretending they've never downloaded an mp3 in their lives.

seriously, I never have. I have from itunes though
ds

adultmobile · 10-02-2012, 01:16 PM

Guys in japan it is even illegal to show genitals without mosaic censorship over it, no one japanese company can sell uncensored porn really it needs foreign companies to do it, and japanese users know it is illegal and lots are shy to download even for free.
And anyway they prefer clothed girls who talk of themselves first 10 minutes (while westerns skip all the storyline and dialogue to go to the intercourse scene), and end up describing how their panties are smelling, showing panties instead of pussy.
Japan it is quite a place and culture on its own even within asia, I don't think you can import/export laws but especially how citizens react to laws.

DamianJ · 10-02-2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Try not paying the criminal courts and see how that works for you.

Same as civil. They settle for cents for dollars.

Paul Markham · 10-02-2012, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DamianJ

Same as civil. They settle for cents for dollars.

So you think even if the guy is caught, he's convicted. He should still get away with it.

Like you getting away with lying about not paying the donation and caring what I think. The rest of us think you don't keep your promises.

We understand now.

LeRoy · 10-02-2012, 03:15 PM

Hopefully sales go through the roof @ DTI Cash ;)

DamianJ · 10-02-2012, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So you think even if the guy is caught, he's convicted. He should still get away with it.

No Paul. Where do I say that? I'll break it down as simply as I can Paul.

I said history has proven that even if large amounts of money are awarded in damages, the company never gets that amount and they settle for cents in the dollar.

I also said if you can prove that someone has committed a crime they should be punished.

I also said the RIAA and MPAA have proven the large fine thing is no deterrent.

Up to speed now, or shall I do a picture explaining it again for you?

Paul Markham · 10-03-2012, 01:12 AM

http://www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk/magistrates.htm

http://www.bailiffadviceonline.co.uk...ates_which.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...nt-action.html

http://www.justice.govt.nz/publicati...rcement-system

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...-full-to-court

http://www.iclc.org.au/fined_out/part4.html

http://www.co.lancaster.pa.us/courts...p?a=3&q=469045

http://courts.delaware.gov/aoc/OSCCE/index.stm

http://www.lawhandbook.sa.gov.au/ch31s09.php

http://www.courts.sa.gov.au/Fines/Pa...forcement.aspx

http://www.ussc.gov/Education_and_Tr...ALrest6-00.pdf

http://legalplanet.wordpress.com/201...orcement-case/

The problem with you is you get your piracy news from Piratebay and Torrentfreak type sites.

I can tell you not paying a fine will get you in a lot of trouble. There is no end of ways to get someone to Pay an affordable penalty. AND PAYMENTS NEVER HIT THE NEWS.

You waste time telling us not to waste time and inventing lots of reasons to not waste time, that don't make sense.

Stop wasting time on something you will never be able to stop.

Paul Markham · 10-03-2012, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy

Hopefully sales go through the roof @ DTI Cash ;)

Sadly not for the porn industry. A few might move over and buy. Most won't, IMO they will move to Tubes.

The important thing for me is to kill some of the parasites. If you ignore parasites, they thrive. If you keep killing some you lessen the problem.

How you fight them is the key, AK is on the right track and it's so sad to see the amount of money he's raising to keep the fight going. Reflection on todays porn industry.

What Japan is doing is the right track. Don't pay a fine, get a bailiff knocking on your door, community work or straight prison for extreme offenders.

Laws are slow at keeping up, they will though.

Captain Kawaii · 10-03-2012, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

What are you talking about? Torrents work because the intention of people is to share for free. Same with other p2p systems that came before. Same with Usenet, where people were sharing mp3s for free for years before Napster appeared. Who shares 'for profit' in the West?

You might have missed or tried to miss Adult King's thread on filelockers.

Captain Kawaii · 10-03-2012, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LeRoy

Hopefully sales go through the roof @ DTI Cash ;)

I hope so too. We are doing ok with DTI until a few months ago and then overnight. WHAM! Zippo.

Captain Kawaii · 10-03-2012, 02:04 AM

Now the question on everyone's mind in Japan is...Is streaming "downloading"?

helterskelter808 · 10-03-2012, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

You might have missed or tried to miss Adult King's thread on filelockers.

I keep reading that the people who are paid to upload to file lockers are Indians. So, again, people in the West, almost without exception, share for free and always have done.

Captain Kawaii · 10-03-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

I keep reading that the people who are paid to upload to file lockers are Indians. So, again, people in the West, almost without exception, share for free and always have done.

Thats a joke. Its a money making enterprise for many people. Many people on this board as well.I'm in the dvd biz and I can tell you they come from US, UK and many places.

I have made sales, in 5 years, to maybe 2-3 Indian chaps.

helterskelter808 · 10-03-2012, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Kawaii

Thats a joke. Its a money making enterprise for many people. Many people on this board as well.I'm in the dvd biz and I can tell you they come from US, UK and many places.

Big deal. Some people try and make money from pirated goods. Same as it ever was. Does not change the fact that virtually everyone who fileshares does it for free. Same as it ever was. You refusing to accept reality won't change it.

Captain Kawaii · 10-03-2012, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by helterskelter808

Big deal. Some people try and make money from pirated goods. Same as it ever was. Does not change the fact that virtually everyone who fileshares does it for free. Same as it ever was. You refusing to accept reality won't change it.

Another butt hurt uploader crying in the darkness.

What fucking universe do you live in? You have a grand a month for philanthropic porn sharing?

One person buys, rips, uploads to 100 sites. 10,000 download. Thats the problem, moron.

xNetworx · 10-03-2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ -

I can't help but laugh at dinosaurs who think legislation will ever affect piracy.

We're long overdue for an asteroid.

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