Alternative to openX - GoFuckYourself.com

The Hun · 10-11-2012, 04:24 PM

We use openX for a lot of stuff on mobile and the search, but it's sooo immensely heavy on the database it's not even funny anymore. Do you guys have a good alternative or should I write my own (again) ;-)

Niktamer · 10-11-2012, 04:55 PM

there is a few host that offer hosted openx fully managed.
I'm sure they will spam this thread

else openx offer a paid service.
http://www.openx.com/networks/enterprise-ad-server

The Hun · 10-11-2012, 05:03 PM

Nah, that's not good enough... It's still very slow, using the shit out of mysql... I want something on my own server. Something I can control. openX is starting to get old-fashioned.

I just started making something myself about an hour ago. Getting along nicely ;-)... Who knows, openX might have a competitor soon! ;-)

alias · 10-11-2012, 05:20 PM

TheHun-x

Coyote · 10-11-2012, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun

Nah, that's not good enough... It's still very slow, using the shit out of mysql... I want something on my own server. Something I can control. openX is starting to get old-fashioned.

I just started making something myself about an hour ago. Getting along nicely ;-)... Who knows, openX might have a competitor soon! ;-)

Take this one and modify it to your liking.

The Hun · 10-11-2012, 05:44 PM

And run TheHun off off worldpress? Nah, that won't work I'm afraid ;-)...

I think I have an offer for people here in a week or so! ;-)

HomerSimpson · 10-11-2012, 05:57 PM

- if you need ad spots - then check out Smart Spots from smart-scripts.com

- if you need ad rotator (rotate multiple ads on one ad spot) - openx.org or something custom built

Zeiss · 10-11-2012, 06:00 PM

Did you try Epom? Or use ero-advertising's own ads and sales features?

The Hun · 10-11-2012, 06:02 PM

well, it's more than that... I basically need what openX has, but faster. Also, in openX (unless you are using the PHP version, which makes no sense the way OpenX was programmed) you have to make a server-demanding call for every single banner showing. Call me old-school (hell, I am! ;-), but that is a waste of processing power.

There are so many nice new things out (jQuery for instance) that can make this make much better use of resources, but somehow that doesn't seem available yet...

The Hun · 10-11-2012, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alias

TheHun-x

I tried to register thehunx.com, but aparently easypic.com has it...

If anybody know them or is in contact with these guys, please ask 'em to give it up. Saves me a call to my attorney...

The Hun · 10-11-2012, 06:05 PM

Epom looks promising... I doubt they'll do adult though..

junction · 10-11-2012, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HomerSimpson

- if you need ad spots - then check out Smart Spots from smart-scripts.com

- if you need ad rotator (rotate multiple ads on one ad spot) - openx.org or something custom built

I'll give a thumbs up to Smart Spots. I've been using the hell out of it for a couple years now and love it.

Zeiss · 10-11-2012, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun

Epom looks promising... I doubt they'll do adult though..

I don't really know about, if they'll do adult. I've heard they are good. Back in the day I used super duper simple php script to rotate code from txt files separated by tildes.

something like

Code:

<?php

$banners = join ('', file ('/file.txt'));
$separator = split("~",$banners);

$number = rand(0,(count($separator)-1));
echo $separator[$number];
?>

and in the file.txt you separate the banner codes with ~ then you include the php where you want to display

I don't think this will work in your case, if you want to sell spots... it will be lots of admin work every now and then

The Hun · 10-11-2012, 06:56 PM

SmartSpots looks like just the thing. Memcache, so it should be fast. I'm making something in Redis now, advantage of that is that you don't need any other database engine anymore. Everything is going to be in Redis. I have been reprogramming everything towards that direction anyway.

The Hun · 10-11-2012, 06:58 PM

The admin stuff is more work than the actual banner showing indeed. It also needs geotargeting, so that makes it a tiny bit more complex. That is already finished though ;-)

Zeiss · 10-11-2012, 06:59 PM

Sounds promising.

CYF · 10-11-2012, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun

The admin stuff is more work than the actual banner showing indeed. It also needs geotargeting, so that makes it a tiny bit more complex. That is already finished though ;-)

I can't wait to check it out.

Klen · 10-12-2012, 12:32 AM

Custom build is best solution because ad rotation require only few llines of codes to make it work,for example in my case i have double case command to do geo targetting different on each site both for mobile and desktop traffic.Using any script is simply waste of resources since they have billions of features which are not needed.

The Hun · 10-12-2012, 12:52 AM

Telaris, that's right indeed. It's great to have options, but it tends to slow things down. And I'm missing some vital obvious resource saving features in openX as well. One big risk with openX or any other open source solution is the vulnerability for hackers. We had problems with that in the past with openX.

DraX · 10-12-2012, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun

Telaris, that's right indeed. It's great to have options, but it tends to slow things down. And I'm missing some vital obvious resource saving features in openX as well. One big risk with openX or any other open source solution is the vulnerability for hackers. We had problems with that in the past with openX.

You're not alone, also had problems with openx getting compromised multiple times with newest versions.

Openx themself does not seem to be interested in making it 100% secure. So you decide to checkout the hosted environment and sends them a message. No one calls back or send a message. Maybe I should have told them it's a $10K monthly account

Also in the start process of changing to something different.

Openx is slow and consumes resources like nothing else.

As I dont sell any ad space a simple rotator might be sufficient.

Have fun coding Hun

The Hun · 10-12-2012, 01:32 AM

Drax, a rotator can be made very simple. I did it 12 years ago with JavaScript. All client side and no system resources on my end. Back in those days even the smallest logo on thehun would kill any server. So I came up with a client side solution. Might be something to look in to. Especially now with OpenX there are very nice options. On http://search.thehun.net we use lazy loading ads. Those are great, they only load a banner once it is visible on the screen. Very good use of system resources, nothing is wasted

Klen · 10-12-2012, 02:09 AM

Maybe we could combine resources and make ad rotator script which will be resource friendly yet powerful ;)

The Hun · 10-12-2012, 02:17 AM

Building that as we speak. Real time stats and everything. I've been thinking about this for a loooong time now. I just found a domain registration for this that I got in february 2000! ;-)

seoguy · 10-12-2012, 02:18 AM

I use Smart Spots since years and I'm very happy with it. It does not have as much features as openx but does what it's supposed to do.

Klen · 10-12-2012, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun

Building that as we speak. Real time stats and everything. I've been thinking about this for a loooong time now. I just found a domain registration for this that I got in february 2000! ;-)

Ok if you will need assistance send me mail to [email protected]

zuffa · 10-12-2012, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun

We use openX for a lot of stuff on mobile and the search, but it's sooo immensely heavy on the database it's not even funny anymore. Do you guys have a good alternative or should I write my own (again) ;-)

http://www.clippersoft.net/

Simple yet feature rich.

RebelR · 10-12-2012, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun

I tried to register thehunx.com, but aparently easypic.com has it...

If anybody know them or is in contact with these guys, please ask 'em to give it up. Saves me a call to my attorney...

Hey Patrick, what's your email and I will give you their contact info

The Hun · 10-12-2012, 07:45 AM

the oldest email in the industry: [email protected] ;-)

RebelR · 10-12-2012, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun

the oldest email in the industry: [email protected] ;-)

info sent.

The Hun · 10-19-2012, 11:30 AM

Ok, 7 days later and virtually no sleep it's up and running. All banners on http://mobile.thehun.net are now running off my new admanagement system. It's not done yet, it needs some features left and right that make it easier to maintain everything. But by the looks of it I finally made something that is working! ;-)

The Hun · 10-19-2012, 11:59 AM

Pushing 200K banners in the first hour now on there... not bad for a mobile site ;-)

shake · 10-19-2012, 12:38 PM

Nice job on getting it working so fast

Pornopat · 10-19-2012, 01:21 PM

ok that is impressive!

alias · 10-19-2012, 02:10 PM

Looks good, I do get a couple of zones that just show a white space though. Just a heads up.

The Hun · 10-19-2012, 02:23 PM

Alias, yeah, that's been going on for a while now... that's Exoclick doing that. Strangely enough they use... yes... openX... which was one of the reasons I just quit using it ;-)

280557 banners pushed in the second hour ;-)

OpenX can do that too, but my MySQL requests dropped from 400/sec to about 100! And those are from the banners on the search. I'll soon have no MySQL queries for my banners. Who knows, if I get this thing stable enough OpenX might get a competitor ;-)

CYF · 10-19-2012, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun

Ok, 7 days later and virtually no sleep it's up and running. All banners on http://mobile.thehun.net are now running off my new admanagement system. It's not done yet, it needs some features left and right that make it easier to maintain everything. But by the looks of it I finally made something that is working! ;-)

are you going to release that?

alias · 10-19-2012, 02:25 PM

Nice, keep us posted.

The Hun · 10-19-2012, 02:31 PM

CYF, I've been playing with that idea ;-)

The Hun · 10-19-2012, 02:37 PM

More advantages: REALTIME stats, instant changes when banners are altered/added/removed. It's been long days, and it will be some more, but I'm pretty excited.

CYF · 10-19-2012, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun

CYF, I've been playing with that idea ;-)

Very nice

open x has worked fine for me but I'm always open to looking at alternatives. Sounds like it's shaping up to be a nice system.

The Hun · 10-19-2012, 04:11 PM

Are you using their hosting or did you download an install from them?

Jman · 10-19-2012, 04:21 PM

Been a while I really took time to read a thread on GFY. Hope we can see something public come out soon ;)

Godsmack · 10-19-2012, 04:31 PM

smart spots is lite and can handle any traffic you throw at it..

CYF · 10-19-2012, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun

Are you using their hosting or did you download an install from them?

I downloaded it.

Va2k · 10-19-2012, 07:41 PM

Still showing white ad's awesome script though .

Code:

http://syndication.exoclick.com/ads-iframe-display.php?type=300x100&login=thehun&cat=2&search=&ad_title_color=0000cc&bgcolor=FFFFFF&border=0&border_color=000000&font=&block_keywords=&ad_text_color=000000&ad_durl_color=008000&adult=0&sub=&text_only=0&show_thumb=&idzone=301640&idsite=132856&p=http%3A//mobile.thehun.net/&dt=1350700892491

The Hun · 10-19-2012, 07:48 PM

Fungus: that's exoclick delivering a white add. I've been asking them about it, but they never seem to find the need to dive in to this. This particular banner is pushed by them as a JavaScript. That makes putting it in rotation a pain (unless you do full dynamic pages in php for instance). So I put an iframe in rotation, which loads a script on their site, which creates an iframe which loads the banner. All in all not a lot of thought was put in to that. I tried loading the iframe their JavaScript is generating straight away, but then I'll have no stats left. And that means not getting paid. Ah well... Guess I have to drop by in Barcelona one of these days ;-)

Va2k · 10-19-2012, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun

Fungus: that's exoclick delivering a white add. I've been asking them about it, but they never seem to find the need to dive in to this. This particular banner is pushed by them as a JavaScript. That makes putting it in rotation a pain (unless you do full dynamic pages in php for instance). So I put an iframe in rotation, which loads a script on their site, which creates an iframe which loads the banner. All in all not a lot of thought was put in to that. I tried loading the iframe their JavaScript is generating straight away, but then I'll have no stats left. And that means not getting paid. Ah well... Guess I have to drop by in Barcelona one of these days ;-)

Oh man that sucks on so many levels, well going to bed you all have a great night.

TtyAl

livexxx · 10-19-2012, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Hun

the oldest email in the industry: [email protected] ;-)

older than " Registered on: before Aug-1996" ?

livexxx · 10-19-2012, 08:31 PM

smart scripts is a good low resource alternative to the hammer and anvil that openx is, as for stats, just feed it all to http://www.splunk.com/

The Hun · 10-23-2012, 04:50 AM

I just got word that exoclick does NOT use openX... my bad... I guess they saw the same drawback we did ;-)

Right now we're easily pushing 500K banners per hour on the mobile and the load on the server went down immensely compared to the old openX adserver. I'm happy. Few odds and ends that need to be completed and then it's back to programming stuff on thehun. Changes are coming up people! ;-)

10-11-2012, 04:24 PM	#1
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	Alternative to openX We use openX for a lot of stuff on mobile and the search, but it's sooo immensely heavy on the database it's not even funny anymore. Do you guys have a good alternative or should I write my own (again) ;-)

10-11-2012, 04:55 PM	#2
Niktamer Lord of the Leads Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 3,021	there is a few host that offer hosted openx fully managed. I'm sure they will spam this thread else openx offer a paid service. http://www.openx.com/networks/enterprise-ad-server __________________

10-11-2012, 05:57 PM	#7
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10-11-2012, 06:00 PM	#8
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10-11-2012, 06:59 PM	#16
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10-11-2012, 05:03 PM	#3
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	Nah, that's not good enough... It's still very slow, using the shit out of mysql... I want something on my own server. Something I can control. openX is starting to get old-fashioned. I just started making something myself about an hour ago. Getting along nicely ;-)... Who knows, openX might have a competitor soon! ;-)

10-11-2012, 05:20 PM	#4
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	TheHun-x

10-11-2012, 05:44 PM	#6
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	And run TheHun off off worldpress? Nah, that won't work I'm afraid ;-)... I think I have an offer for people here in a week or so! ;-)

10-11-2012, 06:02 PM	#9
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	well, it's more than that... I basically need what openX has, but faster. Also, in openX (unless you are using the PHP version, which makes no sense the way OpenX was programmed) you have to make a server-demanding call for every single banner showing. Call me old-school (hell, I am! ;-), but that is a waste of processing power. There are so many nice new things out (jQuery for instance) that can make this make much better use of resources, but somehow that doesn't seem available yet...

10-11-2012, 06:05 PM	#11
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	Epom looks promising... I doubt they'll do adult though..

10-11-2012, 06:56 PM	#14
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	SmartSpots looks like just the thing. Memcache, so it should be fast. I'm making something in Redis now, advantage of that is that you don't need any other database engine anymore. Everything is going to be in Redis. I have been reprogramming everything towards that direction anyway.

10-11-2012, 06:58 PM	#15
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	The admin stuff is more work than the actual banner showing indeed. It also needs geotargeting, so that makes it a tiny bit more complex. That is already finished though ;-)

10-12-2012, 12:32 AM	#18
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	Custom build is best solution because ad rotation require only few llines of codes to make it work,for example in my case i have double case command to do geo targetting different on each site both for mobile and desktop traffic.Using any script is simply waste of resources since they have billions of features which are not needed.

10-12-2012, 12:52 AM	#19
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	Telaris, that's right indeed. It's great to have options, but it tends to slow things down. And I'm missing some vital obvious resource saving features in openX as well. One big risk with openX or any other open source solution is the vulnerability for hackers. We had problems with that in the past with openX.

10-12-2012, 01:32 AM	#21
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	Drax, a rotator can be made very simple. I did it 12 years ago with JavaScript. All client side and no system resources on my end. Back in those days even the smallest logo on thehun would kill any server. So I came up with a client side solution. Might be something to look in to. Especially now with OpenX there are very nice options. On http://search.thehun.net we use lazy loading ads. Those are great, they only load a banner once it is visible on the screen. Very good use of system resources, nothing is wasted

10-12-2012, 02:09 AM	#22
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	Maybe we could combine resources and make ad rotator script which will be resource friendly yet powerful ;)

10-12-2012, 02:17 AM	#23
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	Building that as we speak. Real time stats and everything. I've been thinking about this for a loooong time now. I just found a domain registration for this that I got in february 2000! ;-)

10-12-2012, 02:18 AM	#24
seoguy Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 381	smart spots I use Smart Spots since years and I'm very happy with it. It does not have as much features as openx but does what it's supposed to do.

10-12-2012, 07:45 AM	#28
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	the oldest email in the industry: [email protected] ;-)

10-19-2012, 11:30 AM	#30
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	Ok, 7 days later and virtually no sleep it's up and running. All banners on http://mobile.thehun.net are now running off my new admanagement system. It's not done yet, it needs some features left and right that make it easier to maintain everything. But by the looks of it I finally made something that is working! ;-)

10-19-2012, 11:59 AM	#31
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	Pushing 200K banners in the first hour now on there... not bad for a mobile site ;-)

10-19-2012, 12:38 PM	#32
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10-19-2012, 01:21 PM	#33
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10-19-2012, 02:10 PM	#34
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	Looks good, I do get a couple of zones that just show a white space though. Just a heads up. __________________ https://porncorporation.com

10-19-2012, 02:23 PM	#35
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	Alias, yeah, that's been going on for a while now... that's Exoclick doing that. Strangely enough they use... yes... openX... which was one of the reasons I just quit using it ;-) 280557 banners pushed in the second hour ;-) OpenX can do that too, but my MySQL requests dropped from 400/sec to about 100! And those are from the banners on the search. I'll soon have no MySQL queries for my banners. Who knows, if I get this thing stable enough OpenX might get a competitor ;-)

10-19-2012, 02:25 PM	#37
alias aliasx Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 19,010	Nice, keep us posted.

10-19-2012, 02:31 PM	#38
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	CYF, I've been playing with that idea ;-)

10-19-2012, 02:37 PM	#39
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	More advantages: REALTIME stats, instant changes when banners are altered/added/removed. It's been long days, and it will be some more, but I'm pretty excited.

10-19-2012, 04:11 PM	#41
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	Are you using their hosting or did you download an install from them?

10-19-2012, 04:21 PM	#42
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10-19-2012, 07:48 PM	#46
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	Fungus: that's exoclick delivering a white add. I've been asking them about it, but they never seem to find the need to dive in to this. This particular banner is pushed by them as a JavaScript. That makes putting it in rotation a pain (unless you do full dynamic pages in php for instance). So I put an iframe in rotation, which loads a script on their site, which creates an iframe which loads the banner. All in all not a lot of thought was put in to that. I tried loading the iframe their JavaScript is generating straight away, but then I'll have no stats left. And that means not getting paid. Ah well... Guess I have to drop by in Barcelona one of these days ;-)

10-19-2012, 08:31 PM	#49
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10-23-2012, 04:50 AM	#50
The Hun Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,207	I just got word that exoclick does NOT use openX... my bad... I guess they saw the same drawback we did ;-) Right now we're easily pushing 500K banners per hour on the mobile and the load on the server went down immensely compared to the old openX adserver. I'm happy. Few odds and ends that need to be completed and then it's back to programming stuff on thehun. Changes are coming up people! ;-)