Will you drop Epoch due to the $500 fee? - GoFuckYourself.com

Mark67 · 03-06-2013, 06:37 PM

Will you drop Epoch due to the $500 fee?

Dirty F · 03-06-2013, 06:39 PM

If 500 dollars is too much for you then you have no business running a paysite.

Mark67 · 03-06-2013, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

If 500 dollars is too much for you then you have no business running a paysite.

I do not run any paysite.

So it does not bother me.

Its best to be an affiliate. I get 50%. I would hate to run a pay site, as you get next to nothing.

My Fucking Traffic · 03-06-2013, 06:43 PM

You should have made the poll public so it was easier for me to weed out what sponsors to drop because $500/yr is something they whine about.

Mark67 · 03-06-2013, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by venusgal

You should have made the poll public so it was easier for me to weed out what sponsors to drop because $500/yr is something they whine about.

I do not think its just they cannot afford it.

I think many can, but why should they.

Its great for me (and you if you are just an affiliate). We get 50% or more. Yet our costs are next to nothing.

If you run a site you have a lot of costs. If most of your sales are via it gives you 50%. Out of that you have servers, content and so on. So each sale could be $1 profit. If your then forced to pay lots of $500, you must start to think is it realy worth all the bother.

Mark67 · 03-06-2013, 07:09 PM

By the way I just chatted to ccbill. They say they have no plans to charge anything.

So the question is why Epoch is.

I am sure if people contact Epoch and say they will leaqve then then they will do somthing about it. I cannopt think that any firm would want to charge $500 is other firms do not.

JFK · 03-06-2013, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark67

By the way I just chatted to ccbill. They say they have no plans to charge anything.

So the question is why Epoch is.

I am sure if people contact Epoch and say they will leaqve then then they will do somthing about it. I cannopt think that any firm would want to charge $500 is other firms do not.

Perhaps they are ahead of the curve ?............ Through the years, they have always been up and up, with all webmasters, I dont see that changing now. You adapt or die

Dirty F · 03-07-2013, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark67

I do not run any paysite.

So it does not bother me.

Its best to be an affiliate. I get 50%. I would hate to run a pay site, as you get next to nothing.

Uhm wow.

SGS · 03-07-2013, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark67

I do not run any paysite.

So it does not bother me.

Its best to be an affiliate. I get 50%. I would hate to run a pay site, as you get next to nothing.

I suppose all of the toys and houses have to go back then?

Jel · 03-07-2013, 02:11 AM

wtf, 10 people said yes, so far?!

And dvtimes, of course you run paysites.

SGS · 03-07-2013, 02:20 AM

dvtimes is an utter cunt. Fact.

SGS · 03-07-2013, 02:20 AM

blofer80 · 03-07-2013, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

If 500 dollars is too much for you then you have no business running a paysite.

50k posts on gfy, what do you do for living. Can i see your adult projects? Post some urls, hero.

Jel · 03-07-2013, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SGS

I went out with her.

blofer80 · 03-07-2013, 02:28 AM

Btw, be cerful, they are going to take 500$ from your account without a clear premission from you (unless sending an email is a clear premission).

CurrentlySober · 03-07-2013, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel

I went out with her.

I cant afford to go out with her...

Jel · 03-07-2013, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CurrentlySober

I cant afford to go out with her...

lol

Fiddler · 03-07-2013, 03:05 AM

Obviously we'd rather not have extra charges when you think of how much money we give Epoch but theres no way we'd drop them because of $500.

DWB · 03-07-2013, 03:09 AM

No one wants to spend more money then they have to, but everyone is already paying for Visa so paying for MasterCard isn't a big deal.

I can see how it may hurt smaller sites worse, especially if they have a few processors, as their percentage of MasterCard sales may be much, much lower than Visa sales, so it may be difficult to justify the cost for some. But really, $500 a YEAR, that is like 2 MC sales a month to cover the charge for one processor. I don't want to be a dick and say you shouldn't be in business if you can't afford that, but if your margins are so tight that allocating 2 sales a month to it will hurt your business, then you may want to rethink how you're operating and where you're leaving money on the table.

k0nr4d · 03-07-2013, 06:59 AM

They might be charging in order to weed out the little sites that do a handful or even no sales a month. They have to provide support etc for those and it might not be cost effective...

Dirty F · 03-07-2013, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by blofer80

50k posts on gfy, what do you do for living. Can i see your adult projects? Post some urls, hero.

Piss off faggot

drewb · 03-07-2013, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jel

And dvtimes, of course you run paysites.

I suppose they can only be called paysites if somebody actually pays to join them. No one in their right mind would want to join any of Divvys sites! !!

Mark67 · 03-07-2013, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by drewb

I suppose they can only be called paysites if somebody actually pays to join them. No one in their right mind would want to join any of Divvys sites! !!

Whats his sites?

webgurl · 03-07-2013, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by k0nr4d

They might be charging in order to weed out the little sites that do a handful or even no sales a month. They have to provide support etc for those and it might not be cost effective...

I'm confused, I read on other threads that the fee only applies to companies exceeding 100k in annual revenue and all below that is exempt from that $500 fee? Maybe I misread something....

blofer80 · 03-07-2013, 10:03 AM

The 500$ fee is for EVERYONE, and doesnt matter how much you make or not make

Johny Traffic · 03-07-2013, 11:50 AM

I have never known an industry who cant read between the lines, have such limited business understanding or who are so short sited as this one.

No wonder people are fucked.

CCBill says they wont be charging this $500 a year to all their customers
Epoch says they will be charging this $500 a year to all their customers

It doesn't actually matter who can and who cant afford the $500 a year, or as the predictable "those who cant afford it shouldn't be running a paysite" predictable responses put it.

What matters is what it says about Epoch, ccbill and mastercard

Anyway thats all, go back to making blogs/tgps/tubes or whatever it is that's going to make you a millionaire this time next year

BNMedia · 03-11-2013, 05:09 PM

I haven't voted yes or no because I haven't made my mind up.

As soon as I had the email from Epoch I contacted both my account rep at Epoch and CCBill. CCbill informed me that they have no current plans to bill EU customers $500 for the privilege of using Mastercard and Epoch informed me that as an existing customer I have the option to opt out of accepting Mastercard should I wish to do so.
Now the beauty of Epochstats is that I can view who has signed up with Visa and who joined up with Mastercard and I was quite surprised as to how many people actually do use Mastercard, so by cutting it off would definitely leave a significant sum of money on the table.
In the grand scheme of things $500 isn't a huge chunk of money to worry about. However, I am asking myself the question do I really want to keep processing with Epoch for $500 per year when I have CCBill and Verotel in my cascade who do not currently require any Visa or Mastercard fee. It's purely a business decision of why should I pay someone for a service that is free elsewhere.
Epoch has always been my number one choice biller, but at the same time their ethics has also frustrated me and caused some strong exchanges of words!

I'm on the fence at the moment, although probably falling more on the side of just paying the fee. I have a few weeks to decide but I'm also interested in other peoples stand on this.

My Fucking Traffic · 03-11-2013, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny Traffic

I have never known an industry who cant read between the lines, have such limited business understanding or who are so short sited as this one.

No wonder people are fucked.

CCBill says they wont be charging this $500 a year to all their customers
Epoch says they will be charging this $500 a year to all their customers

It doesn't actually matter who can and who cant afford the $500 a year, or as the predictable "those who cant afford it shouldn't be running a paysite" predictable responses put it.

What matters is what it says about Epoch, ccbill and mastercard

Anyway thats all, go back to making blogs/tgps/tubes or whatever it is that's going to make you a millionaire this time next year

Epoch runs their business differently than CCBill, if Epoch wants to pass the fee onto their customers, it's their choice. If CCBill wants to eat the fee, that's their choice.

See what I'm getting at? Good.

Now paysite owners who are bitching about the fee shouldn't even be in business if they can't pay a small fee to keep the main part of their business going... You know how many fees are involved in business? A shit ton. It cost money to make money, and once you learn that and just accept it, the easier your business will be.

But hey, if the $500 fee is too much, then you can either move to CCBill or drop MasterCard as a payment option and then come back in a few months when you can't get any sales because you're so fucking worried about spending $42/mo on a fucking fee.

AdultPornMasta · 03-11-2013, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark67

Will you drop Epoch due to the $500 fee?

This will sooner or later apply to all porn people, so get used to it, get over it, pay it and accept it as a cost of doing business.

DamianJ · 03-12-2013, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark67

I do not run any paysite.

So it does not bother me.

Its best to be an affiliate. I get 50%. I would hate to run a pay site, as you get next to nothing.

What about your sites on www.mrban.com DVTimes you lying, pointless cocksucker.

nikki99 · 03-12-2013, 11:59 AM

interesting results, 19 / 19

Yanks_Todd · 03-12-2013, 12:35 PM

I am a little disappointed to hear that epoch isn't matching CCbill in regards to this fee however I have been nothing but satisfied with Epoch as a company and won't be leaving anytime soon.

Paying a $500 fee sucks no matter how much you make. Anybody could come up with a better use for that cash. $500 on "20 Black" makes more sense.

In the long run money isn't always the bottom line. I would personally pay a $5k fee per year rather then use CCbill to the level I use Epoch.

Hopefully they reconsider passing along this fee.

BNMedia · 03-15-2013, 10:43 AM

Looks like CCBill are in fact passing on this fee also:
http://blog.ccbill.com/2013/03/maste...r-program.html

Its even more of a bummer to potentially have to pay the fee multiple times!

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03-06-2013, 06:37 PM	#1
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Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	If 500 dollars is too much for you then you have no business running a paysite.

03-06-2013, 06:43 PM	#4
My Fucking Traffic So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 996	You should have made the poll public so it was easier for me to weed out what sponsors to drop because $500/yr is something they whine about.

03-06-2013, 07:09 PM	#6
Mark67 So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: At Home Posts: 269	By the way I just chatted to ccbill. They say they have no plans to charge anything. So the question is why Epoch is. I am sure if people contact Epoch and say they will leaqve then then they will do somthing about it. I cannopt think that any firm would want to charge $500 is other firms do not.

03-07-2013, 02:11 AM	#10
Jel Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,904	wtf, 10 people said yes, so far?! And dvtimes, of course you run paysites.

03-07-2013, 02:28 AM	#15
blofer80 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 932	Btw, be cerful, they are going to take 500$ from your account without a clear premission from you (unless sending an email is a clear premission).

03-07-2013, 03:05 AM	#18
Fiddler Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 835	Obviously we'd rather not have extra charges when you think of how much money we give Epoch but theres no way we'd drop them because of $500.

03-07-2013, 03:09 AM	#19
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	No one wants to spend more money then they have to, but everyone is already paying for Visa so paying for MasterCard isn't a big deal. I can see how it may hurt smaller sites worse, especially if they have a few processors, as their percentage of MasterCard sales may be much, much lower than Visa sales, so it may be difficult to justify the cost for some. But really, $500 a YEAR, that is like 2 MC sales a month to cover the charge for one processor. I don't want to be a dick and say you shouldn't be in business if you can't afford that, but if your margins are so tight that allocating 2 sales a month to it will hurt your business, then you may want to rethink how you're operating and where you're leaving money on the table.

03-07-2013, 10:03 AM	#25
blofer80 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 932	The 500$ fee is for EVERYONE, and doesnt matter how much you make or not make

03-07-2013, 11:50 AM	#26
Johny Traffic Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 5,461	I have never known an industry who cant read between the lines, have such limited business understanding or who are so short sited as this one. No wonder people are fucked. CCBill says they wont be charging this $500 a year to all their customers Epoch says they will be charging this $500 a year to all their customers It doesn't actually matter who can and who cant afford the $500 a year, or as the predictable "those who cant afford it shouldn't be running a paysite" predictable responses put it. What matters is what it says about Epoch, ccbill and mastercard Anyway thats all, go back to making blogs/tgps/tubes or whatever it is that's going to make you a millionaire this time next year __________________ hosted flv's, hosted galleries, morphing rss feeds, free content, free sites, hosted blog

03-11-2013, 05:09 PM	#27
BNMedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 433	I haven't voted yes or no because I haven't made my mind up. As soon as I had the email from Epoch I contacted both my account rep at Epoch and CCBill. CCbill informed me that they have no current plans to bill EU customers $500 for the privilege of using Mastercard and Epoch informed me that as an existing customer I have the option to opt out of accepting Mastercard should I wish to do so. Now the beauty of Epochstats is that I can view who has signed up with Visa and who joined up with Mastercard and I was quite surprised as to how many people actually do use Mastercard, so by cutting it off would definitely leave a significant sum of money on the table. In the grand scheme of things $500 isn't a huge chunk of money to worry about. However, I am asking myself the question do I really want to keep processing with Epoch for $500 per year when I have CCBill and Verotel in my cascade who do not currently require any Visa or Mastercard fee. It's purely a business decision of why should I pay someone for a service that is free elsewhere. Epoch has always been my number one choice biller, but at the same time their ethics has also frustrated me and caused some strong exchanges of words! I'm on the fence at the moment, although probably falling more on the side of just paying the fee. I have a few weeks to decide but I'm also interested in other peoples stand on this. __________________ --------------------------------------------------------- Webmaster of www.kinkykicks.net - Your 1 stop resource for ballbusting and cruel sexual femdom. Join our affiliate program at www.cash4kicks.com Last edited by BNMedia; 03-11-2013 at 05:13 PM..

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03-12-2013, 12:35 PM	#32
Yanks_Todd Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Valencia Posts: 2,489	I am a little disappointed to hear that epoch isn't matching CCbill in regards to this fee however I have been nothing but satisfied with Epoch as a company and won't be leaving anytime soon. Paying a $500 fee sucks no matter how much you make. Anybody could come up with a better use for that cash. $500 on "20 Black" makes more sense. In the long run money isn't always the bottom line. I would personally pay a $5k fee per year rather then use CCbill to the level I use Epoch. Hopefully they reconsider passing along this fee. __________________ Todd Spaits - Co-founder -YanksCash Premium ad-packages available - Skype for details - tmspaits

03-15-2013, 10:43 AM	#33
BNMedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 433	Looks like CCBill are in fact passing on this fee also: http://blog.ccbill.com/2013/03/maste...r-program.html Its even more of a bummer to potentially have to pay the fee multiple times! Last edited by BNMedia; 03-15-2013 at 10:46 AM..