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Badmaash · 04-01-2013, 10:49 AM

Guys, I think it is time to head over to Firearms Commerce and buy guns!

Vendzilla · 04-01-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Yep,I love how you want some regulation and you become an anti-gun nut. lol

I love statements that don't make sense, there are

Federal gun law in 2005:
93,354 words in 271 numbered statutes

Arizona gun law in 2006:
36,645 words in 183 numbered statutes

Virginia gun law in 2006:
45,494 words in 191 numbered statutes

Texas gun law in 2005:
49,442 words in 226 numbered statutes

California gun law in 1998:
158,643 words in 541 numbered statutes

Florida gun law in 1998:
46,585 words in 229 numbered statutes

I think we already have SOME regulation, but you just want more. Proving you think regulation doesn't work, because we have it, it's not working according to you

Vendzilla · 04-01-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

That's the example you gave when he asked you if you ever had hand to hand training you delusional fuck.

Read it again, Rochard stated no one has taken hand to hand combat training, I replied I had, then I gave a reason that it doesn't always work. The guy that attacked me was looking for backers for his MMA fighting, built like I was at that age of 26. I'm twice that now. Face to face, he would have regretted, he's a coward to the core. Cowards are why we need to protect ourselves with guns.
Calling me delusional because you don't understand that, puts you in the same class as him!

Rochard · 04-01-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I love statements that don't make sense, there are

Federal gun law
93,354 words in 271 numbered statutes

You do this dumb shit all the time. Oh my god, ninety-three thousand words in 271 laws? That sounds horrible.

But then reality bitch smacks you in the face - only 271 federal laws? That's it? Figure some of them are about minors owning firearms, criminals owning firearms, laws about it being illegal to shoot people for no reason, laws about what determines what is self defense and what isn't, laws about concealed carrying, laws about background checks... And yeah, suddenly that list doesn't sound nearly as bad now does it?

I love it when you copy and paste from gun nut sites. I really liked the one about Chicago when they hit five hundred murders which looks horrible at first, but when compared to 1500 murders it looks a lot better... I also liked the one about the town in GA where people are "required by law" to own firearms and yet their crime rate is three times higher than my hometown here.

Rochard · 04-01-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I have, it took a 6'3" asshole in a bar last October to sneak up behind me and smash a beer mug in my face. He's getting sentencing tomorrow. Still don't know why he did it. He was 2 beds over in the ER getting his hand looked at from the damage of the broken glass when I told the cops what he looked like. I never even took a knee.

I'm more worried about my mother or my daughter, that's why they have carry permits.

Did you need your handgun then? How would a handgun have changed the situation?

The only way you being armed would have changed the situation in this case would have been instead of him being arrested, he would be dead and you would be the one being arrested.

Rochard · 04-01-2013, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

It DOES NOT MATTER who YOU Trust. Hide in your house then.
You can not pass judgment and restrict people rights because you do not trust them.

Outstanding. Hide them in your house.

And that will work fine for you until the one afternoon you are having a BBQ and a six year old girl finds one of your hidden firearms and shoots herself dead. Or better yet, that will work fine for you until come home one day and discover your house has been broken into and three out of your six handguns are now missing - congrats, because you've just armed a criminal.

And at the end of the day, having a handgun in your house isn't going to change a damn thing! That fucker who made the videos for the NRA was shot in broad day light in his own house surrounded by his own firearms. Don't you get it - YOU DON"T SEE IT COMING WHEN IT HAPPENS.

L-Pink · 04-01-2013, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Outstanding. Hide them in your house.

And that will work fine for you until the one afternoon you are having a BBQ and a six year old girl finds one of your hidden firearms and shoots herself dead. Or better yet, that will work fine for you until come home one day and discover your house has been broken into and three out of your six handguns are now missing - congrats, because you've just armed a criminal.

And at the end of the day, having a handgun in your house isn't going to change a damn thing! That fucker who made the videos for the NRA was shot in broad day light in his own house surrounded by his own firearms. Don't you get it - YOU DON"T SEE IT COMING WHEN IT HAPPENS.

So I give up my rights to self protection because other people might do something stupid?

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Vendzilla · 04-01-2013, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

You do this dumb shit all the time. Oh my god, ninety-three thousand words in 271 laws? That sounds horrible.

But then reality bitch smacks you in the face - only 271 federal laws? That's it? Figure some of them are about minors owning firearms, criminals owning firearms, laws about it being illegal to shoot people for no reason, laws about what determines what is self defense and what isn't, laws about concealed carrying, laws about background checks... And yeah, suddenly that list doesn't sound nearly as bad now does it?

I love it when you copy and paste from gun nut sites. I really liked the one about Chicago when they hit five hundred murders which looks horrible at first, but when compared to 1500 murders it looks a lot better... I also liked the one about the town in GA where people are "required by law" to own firearms and yet their crime rate is three times higher than my hometown here.

Or posting a million people killed with a gun since John Lennon was murdered, leaving out that 2/3rd's of them were self inflicted . That's right, according to the CDC, 2/3rd's of the people that are killed with guns in the US are self inflicted.

My post was showing that we have regulations on the books, they don't work, illegal use of guns is not going to stop because of more laws

Want to talk shit about Chicago? Fine, they have the tightest gun regulations and the highest murder rate, lets start there!

And comparing where you live and Kennesaw is a joke as well, drive 15 minutes south and you are in Sacramento

Vendzilla · 04-01-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Did you need your handgun then? How would a handgun have changed the situation?

The only way you being armed would have changed the situation in this case would have been instead of him being arrested, he would be dead and you would be the one being arrested.

You know I don't need a hand gun, what I want is the government to stop fucking with the constitution because of idiots that use guns illegally or with ZERO responsibility.

Vendzilla · 04-01-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Outstanding. Hide them in your house.

And that will work fine for you until the one afternoon you are having a BBQ and a six year old girl finds one of your hidden firearms and shoots herself dead. Or better yet, that will work fine for you until come home one day and discover your house has been broken into and three out of your six handguns are now missing - congrats, because you've just armed a criminal.

And at the end of the day, having a handgun in your house isn't going to change a damn thing! That fucker who made the videos for the NRA was shot in broad day light in his own house surrounded by his own firearms. Don't you get it - YOU DON"T SEE IT COMING WHEN IT HAPPENS.

Seriously?

I raised a daughter, had her friends in the house all the time. I had several guns. In the garage I had reloading equipment. I have oxy-acetylene tanks, a parts washer full of solvent, various motorized equipment that would remove a hand in an instant. I had welders capable of melting metal. I had garden equipment that had several sharp edges. Not one fatality. I didn't hide anything!

Vendzilla · 04-01-2013, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

YOU DON"T SEE IT COMING WHEN IT HAPPENS.

So when you see it coming, you want to be armed right?

Vendzilla · 04-01-2013, 02:04 PM

I have a simple question

Why do they want to take guns from legal owners? They aren't the problem

SuckOnThis · 04-01-2013, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Want to talk shit about Chicago? Fine, they have the tightest gun regulations and the highest murder rate, lets start there!

Why do you idiots keep repeating this lie over and over? Chicago isnt even in the top 10.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_..._by_crime_rate

Vendzilla · 04-01-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Why do you idiots keep repeating this lie over and over? Chicago isnt even in the top 10.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_..._by_crime_rate

This for 2011, Chicago having a lot less people in it than New York

New York ? 515
Chicago ? 431
Detroit ? 344
Philadelphia ? 324
Los Angeles ? 297
New Orleans ? 200
Houston ? 198
Baltimore ? 196
Dallas ? 133
Memphis ? 117
Phoenix ? 116
St. Louis ? 113
Washington D.C. ? 108
Kansas City, Mo. ? 108
Oakland, Calif. ? 104

Rochard · 04-01-2013, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Or posting a million people killed with a gun since John Lennon was murdered, leaving out that 2/3rd's of them were self inflicted . That's right, according to the CDC, 2/3rd's of the people that are killed with guns in the US are self inflicted.

Yes, we had this discussion the other day in that same thread. Imagine how many people would have been saved if they didn't have access to a firearm.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Want to talk shit about Chicago? Fine, they have the tightest gun regulations and the highest murder rate, lets start there!

Yes, and their murder continues to drop. Because of those restrictions.

Rochard · 04-01-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Seriously?

I raised a daughter, had her friends in the house all the time. I had several guns. In the garage I had reloading equipment. I have oxy-acetylene tanks, a parts washer full of solvent, various motorized equipment that would remove a hand in an instant. I had welders capable of melting metal. I had garden equipment that had several sharp edges. Not one fatality. I didn't hide anything!

And I have a kid in my house too. Anything that can cause her harm - my weed killer and draino, etc - is locked up. That's just common sense.

Vendzilla · 04-01-2013, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Yes, we had this discussion the other day in that same thread. Imagine how many people would have been saved if they didn't have access to a firearm.

Yes, and their murder continues to drop. Because of those restrictions.

No, the national average is going down faster than the rate of Chicago

Vendzilla · 04-01-2013, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

And I have a kid in my house too. Anything that can cause her harm - my weed killer and draino, etc - is locked up. That's just common sense.

I locked up my guns in a safe but one, still had everything else out in the open, never felt the urge to put those electrical outlets up that you have to twist, but then again, all my outlets in the bathroom and kitchen were gfi protected

Vendzilla · 04-01-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Imagine how many people would have been saved if they didn't have access to a firearm.

If someone is going to kill themselves, you think not having access to guns is going to change anything? There are no guns in Japan to speak of

PornoMonster · 04-01-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Outstanding. Hide them in your house.

And that will work fine for you until the one afternoon you are having a BBQ and a six year old girl finds one of your hidden firearms and shoots herself dead. Or better yet, that will work fine for you until come home one day and discover your house has been broken into and three out of your six handguns are now missing - congrats, because you've just armed a criminal.

And at the end of the day, having a handgun in your house isn't going to change a damn thing! That fucker who made the videos for the NRA was shot in broad day light in his own house surrounded by his own firearms. Don't you get it - YOU DON"T SEE IT COMING WHEN IT HAPPENS.

You are Dumb as Fuck...
I bet every Marine hates it when you speak that you were even in.

OMG

NOTHING can prevent someone wallking up an shooting you in the head from Behind.
Not YOUR gun Laws not owning a gun.

I didn't say Hide a Gun in the house I said YOU might as well stay hidden in the house if you are so scared of people driving and having guns and on meds and so on.

If I worded it wrong, my bad...

I am not even going to waste time to go look and see...

Criminals break in to Wal-marts and steal guns, so what.
Oh hey lets make a law making that illegal...

NO FUCKING Person said having a weapon will STOP every situation, but show me how having one was bad.

MY FUCKING GOD you are a TROLL, you argue to argue.
You own guns, even an AR-15 you claim, but want more laws passed. No Laws will stop the criminals or crazies.

I am done with your Trolling, and if you are that stupid, I pray for your family.

Rochard · 04-01-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I have a simple question

Why do they want to take guns from legal owners? They aren't the problem

And again with the rallying cry.

No one wants to take guns away from anyone. It's the same argument over and over again - Just apply some common sense here. Why is it tougher to get a driver's license than it is to purchase a firearm? We give kids courses on how to drive a car, but not a single class is required to get a firearm.

Legal owners aren't the problem? You bet your ass they are. The mother who purchased the assault rifle and other firearms that was used in the school shooting up in Mass... Clearly she was a responsable, legal firearm owner - the fact that the kid had known mental issues, was considered suicidal in high school, was unemployed, locked himself in a basement to play violent video games, and was obviously depressed had nothing to do with her being a responsable gun owner... The mother even said she was "loosing him"... And her idea of family bonding was with an assault rifle.

My father was a legal gun owner. He died 43 years ago. Where the fuck are his firearms? I don't have them. My step father doesn't have them. My mother doesn't have them. We have no idea who lives in the house we used to store them in. Legal gun owner, yet no one has any clue of what happened to his hand guns.

Brett, if you don't need a firearm to defend yourself... Then why get your panties all ruffled?

PornoMonster · 04-01-2013, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

Yes, we had this discussion the other day in that same thread. Imagine how many people would have been saved if they didn't have access to a firearm.

Yes, and their murder continues to drop. Because of those restrictions.

Self inflicted, like suicide? Ok, as my Drill Sargent said, get it right the first time, Less paperwork and money spent.. But hey we have Obama Care, everyone is saved now...

PornoMonster · 04-01-2013, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

And again with the rallying cry.

No one wants to take guns away from anyone. It's the same argument over and over again - Just apply some common sense here. Why is it tougher to get a driver's license than it is to purchase a firearm? We give kids courses on how to drive a car, but not a single class is required to get a firearm.

Legal owners aren't the problem? You bet your ass they are. The mother who purchased the assault rifle and other firearms that was used in the school shooting up in Mass... Clearly she was a responsable, legal firearm owner - the fact that the kid had known mental issues, was considered suicidal in high school, was unemployed, locked himself in a basement to play violent video games, and was obviously depressed had nothing to do with her being a responsable gun owner... The mother even said she was "loosing him"... And her idea of family bonding was with an assault rifle.

My father was a legal gun owner. He died 43 years ago. Where the fuck are his firearms? I don't have them. My step father doesn't have them. My mother doesn't have them. We have no idea who lives in the house we used to store them in. Legal gun owner, yet no one has any clue of what happened to his hand guns.

Brett, if you don't need a firearm to defend yourself... Then why get your panties all ruffled?

Yep and the Federal Gov can't even keep track of weapons, the Military and so on...
Get Over it.
so the Mom who didn't have hers locked up, what put her Body on Public display?
Have the Military go door to door making sure the weapons are locked up?

Vendzilla · 04-01-2013, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

We give kids courses on how to drive a car, but not a single class is required to get a firearm.

In California, you need to take a safety class, unless you are ex military, then you need a copy of your DD214

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Brett, if you don't need a firearm to defend yourself... Then why get your panties all ruffled?

It's not about the firearms, it's about freedoms and losing them because of what criminals are doing. That makes no sense to me! Do you really think limiting legal gun owners guns to 10 rounds each is going to save lives?

Cops have semi automatic rifles to protect themselves, they don't have them to protect us, we should have the same thing. Full auto, I have no use for, I'm a better shot than that.

Robbie · 04-01-2013, 04:06 PM

The govt. always uses the tiny percentage of idiots doing stupid shit to create laws that make it harder on the vast majority of folks.

From drugs to alcohol to sex to guns to driving to eating...the list goes on and on. The Nanny State knows what's best for 99.9% of people who don't NEED them to tell us what to do.

So they make laws based on the .1% who actually do stupid shit...and that affects all the rest of us...and ironically don't do anything at all to affect the fucktards who are the real problem to begin with.

Rochard · 04-01-2013, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

NOTHING can prevent someone wallking up an shooting you in the head from Behind.
Not YOUR gun Laws not owning a gun.

It's much worse that that. People seem to think that if they are sitting on the couch watching TV and three armed men blow through that door from a draw in a side table or from the kitchen and get into a gun battle and live through it. And some times it does happen that way - but sometimes it doesn't.

Here in Sacramento a few months ago a pawn shop owner was robbed by two armed men. Logic would dictate that two armed men with handguns drawn and pointed trumps one man who has a gun under the counter. The pawn shop owner didn't understand his situation, and while he was pulling out his gun he got shot multiple time - in the face, loosing an eye in the process. (The pawn shop owner, btw, has more balls than ALL of us put together - because with his fucking eyeball hanging out of his face he chased them down the street!)

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

I didn't say Hide a Gun in the house I said YOU might as well stay hidden in the house if you are so scared of people driving and having guns and on meds and so on.

If I worded it wrong, my bad...

I'm not on meds. But when I get to buy my AR15, no one fucking asked me if I was.

If you want to own firearms, awesome, great. Let's go. The gun range is less than two miles from my house; I can hear them shooting on the weekends and I swear it gives me wood.

But is asking too much to make sure that firearm owners haven't been charged with assault recently? Or is it asking too much to make sure that a gun owner isn't on medication?

I'm not saying I want anyone to have their firearms taken away. I'm saying let's apply some common sense here. It shouldn't be easier to buy a firearm than it is to get a driver's license.

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

You own guns, even an AR-15 you claim, but want more laws passed. No Laws will stop the criminals or crazies.

I'm just saying I want laws that will protect my family. My AR15 isn't going to protect my wife when she's at the mall or my kid when she's at school.

Rochard · 04-01-2013, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

Have the Military go door to door making sure the weapons are locked up?

No, we don't need to go that far. But if a firearm you own is used in a homicide... You should go to jail right along with the shooter for just as long.

We need to be aware of where our firearms are at all times. Have one or two with you at all times; The rest need to be locked up. Firearms need to be secured. Saying "my firearms are safe in my house" isn't the same as "secure".

This really isn't about firearms for me; It's about common sense. My step father had a huge shot gun and rifle collection. Most of them were kept in a glass case in full view of the front window right next to the front door.

L-Pink · 04-01-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

No, we don't need to go that far. But if a firearm you own is used in a homicide... You should go to jail right along with the shooter for just as long.

Wow, so if you are a victim of felony breaking and entering, robbery or home invasion and your gun is stolen you should go to prison just like the criminal who shoots a liquor store owner the next day with the stolen gun?

Once again you want to lower the honest citizen to the same level as a criminal. Make an honest citizen liable for the criminal acts of another.

Amazing.

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2012 · 04-01-2013, 04:57 PM

Rochard · 04-01-2013, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

It's not about the firearms, it's about freedoms and losing them because of what criminals are doing. That makes no sense to me! Do you really think limiting legal gun owners guns to 10 rounds each is going to save lives?

But no one is talking about loosing our rights or our freedoms.

I saw on FB the other day that you have a motorcycle. Fucking awesome. But in order to have that motorcycle you have to have a motorcycle license, have it registered, and have it insured. You also have to wear a helmet. When you went to DMV to get your license they pulled your driving record to make sure you haven't had too many tickets recently.

Why don't we do the same for firearms? (Here in California....) If you've had four tickets, no driver's license. Why don't we have a law saying "If you've been charged with assault and battery in the past four years, no firearms for you".

Why do we have to register our cars, but not weapons?

I'm just talking about some common sense laws here. The very first law we need to have is medical background check. No idea how to make it happen, but at the very least you should be sane to own a firearm. (Come to think of it we need the same law to drive a car.)

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Do you really think limiting legal gun owners guns to 10 rounds each is going to save lives?

I never gave this much thought really.

I think this is a waste of time. It doesn't matter if you have one thirty round clip it's not much different three clips of ten rounds each. It's not like it takes thirty seconds to reload; It takes a few seconds to eject and ram a new clip in. Even with a handgun you can keep reloading all damn day long until everyone is dead.

The first law I would like to see is one about mental health. My wife works in healthcare, and all of the hospitals and doctors are hooked up these days via computer networks. Our government should be able to tap into these systems and see if you've seen a shrink recently or if you are on any medication that should be a problem. Privacy issues are no longer a concern; You wave your rights every time you see a doctor and you wave your rights during a background check to buy a firearm, same thing.

L-Pink · 04-01-2013, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

The first law I would like to see is one about mental health. My wife works in healthcare, and all of the hospitals and doctors are hooked up these days via computer networks. Our government should be able to tap into these systems and see if you've seen a shrink recently or if you are on any medication that should be a problem. Privacy issues are no longer a concern; You wave your rights every time you see a doctor and you wave your rights during a background check to buy a firearm, same thing.

Wow! Now you want a government employee screening citizens for mental capacity levels????

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Rochard · 04-01-2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by L-Pink

Wow! Now you want a government employee screening citizens for mental capacity levels????

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You like to put words in my mouth. No, I did not say I want "government employees screening citizens for mental capacity". It's very simple - When you go to see a head shrink or get put on any kind of medication that might affect your mental health, you get flagged as ineligible to own a firearm. That should very basic.

Likewise, if you get arrested for any kind of violent crime (assault, etc) you should also be flagged as ineligible.

I have a friend who is on medication which causes seizures, and his doctor had his driver's license suspended. Common sense.

tony286 · 04-01-2013, 07:23 PM

I had a talk with a friend of mine from Turkey. I didn't know you can get gun licenses in Turkey but to do that you have to spend two days in a hospital getting a battery of physical and psychological tests . Not a bad idea.
As someone who studied the martial arts as a young man to think shooting at targets in a controlled environment is going to make you ready for a gun fight is silly. In the words of Bruce Lee, "Boards don't hit back."
I think you should be able to own any gun you want. It should be registered yearly and you got to take a 4 weekend course and pass a test to get your gun license. A more comprehensive background check and close all selling loopholes. All guns start as legal. You pass it all, which I figure 95 percent of all gun owners can do, own an arsenal if you want.

Vendzilla · 04-01-2013, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rochard

But no one is talking about loosing our rights or our freedoms.

I saw on FB the other day that you have a motorcycle. Fucking awesome. But in order to have that motorcycle you have to have a motorcycle license, have it registered, and have it insured. You also have to wear a helmet. When you went to DMV to get your license they pulled your driving record to make sure you haven't had too many tickets recently.

Why don't we do the same for firearms? (Here in California....) If you've had four tickets, no driver's license. Why don't we have a law saying "If you've been charged with assault and battery in the past four years, no firearms for you".

Why do we have to register our cars, but not weapons?

I'm just talking about some common sense laws here. The very first law we need to have is medical background check. No idea how to make it happen, but at the very least you should be sane to own a firearm. (Come to think of it we need the same law to drive a car.)

I never gave this much thought really.

I think this is a waste of time. It doesn't matter if you have one thirty round clip it's not much different three clips of ten rounds each. It's not like it takes thirty seconds to reload; It takes a few seconds to eject and ram a new clip in. Even with a handgun you can keep reloading all damn day long until everyone is dead.

The first law I would like to see is one about mental health. My wife works in healthcare, and all of the hospitals and doctors are hooked up these days via computer networks. Our government should be able to tap into these systems and see if you've seen a shrink recently or if you are on any medication that should be a problem. Privacy issues are no longer a concern; You wave your rights every time you see a doctor and you wave your rights during a background check to buy a firearm, same thing.

Having and riding a motorcycle is not a right guaranteed by the constitution of the United States, it is a privilege. Owning a firearm is a right. Fuck any politician to the murky depths of hell if they think they are above the constitution.

As far as screening for mental health, are you out of your fucking mind? Seriously Richard, love you, but that's nuts. Think about it, some shrink sitting in an office going thru 300 people a day determining their right to own a gun? Because if you want it to be just when they see a shrink, they will stop seeing a shrink to keep their guns.

Think of it this way, when we were kids, how many did you know that were on meds? Now ask your kid how many she knows, the Medical field is going to determine who gets a gun? They are drugging all our kids to line their pockets.
You do know that in this country you are like 5 times more likely to die from the misdiagnoses of a doctor than a gun shot?

Vendzilla · 04-01-2013, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

I had a talk with a friend of mine from Turkey. I didn't know you can get gun licenses in Turkey but to do that you have to spend two days in a hospital getting a battery of physical and psychological tests . Not a bad idea.
As someone who studied the martial arts as a young man to think shooting at targets in a controlled environment is going to make you ready for a gun fight is silly. In the words of Bruce Lee, "Boards don't hit back."
I think you should be able to own any gun you want. It should be registered yearly and you got to take a 4 weekend course and pass a test to get your gun license. A more comprehensive background check and close all selling loopholes. All guns start as legal. You pass it all, which I figure 95 percent of all gun owners can do, own an arsenal if you want.

I really don't give a shit about turkey, unless I shot it and I get mashed potatoes with it.

4 week course? LOL, the military spent an afternoon on us. My training was from a Marine that spent years shooting with me.

As far as shooting back, not a problem

tony286 · 04-02-2013, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I really don't give a shit about turkey, unless I shot it and I get mashed potatoes with it.

4 week course? LOL, the military spent an afternoon on us. My training was from a Marine that spent years shooting with me.

As far as shooting back, not a problem

You are too funny. lol You served on a sub in a war that was in a desert. So I would bet you never experienced being shot at.

Dirty F · 04-02-2013, 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Read it again, Rochard stated no one has taken hand to hand combat training, I replied I had, then I gave a reason that it doesn't always work. The guy that attacked me was looking for backers for his MMA fighting, built like I was at that age of 26. I'm twice that now. Face to face, he would have regretted, he's a coward to the core. Cowards are why we need to protect ourselves with guns.
Calling me delusional because you don't understand that, puts you in the same class as him!

Nah, the biggest problem is trigger happy white trash scum like you walking around with guns.

Dirty F · 04-02-2013, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

I have a simple question

Why do they want to take guns from legal owners? They aren't the problem

Yes, they are a huge problem. You dumb fuck. Your country is a shithole because of all the idiots like you walking around with guns. Shooting eachother over road rage.
Then again i couldn't care less when i think about. It's a beautiful thing actually.

BlackCrayon · 04-02-2013, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PornoMonster

You are Dumb as Fuck...
I bet every Marine hates it when you speak that you were even in.

OMG

NOTHING can prevent someone wallking up an shooting you in the head from Behind.
Not YOUR gun Laws not owning a gun.

I didn't say Hide a Gun in the house I said YOU might as well stay hidden in the house if you are so scared of people driving and having guns and on meds and so on.

If I worded it wrong, my bad...

I am not even going to waste time to go look and see...

Criminals break in to Wal-marts and steal guns, so what.
Oh hey lets make a law making that illegal...

NO FUCKING Person said having a weapon will STOP every situation, but show me how having one was bad.

MY FUCKING GOD you are a TROLL, you argue to argue.
You own guns, even an AR-15 you claim, but want more laws passed. No Laws will stop the criminals or crazies.

I am done with your Trolling, and if you are that stupid, I pray for your family.

if laws don't prevent 'crazies' from committing crimes, then why is our society based on laws? according to your logic laws are pointless, so why do we have them?

and vendzilla, come on. your personal story about your daughter not getting into anything dangerous you had around the house is meaningless. just because nothing happened in your case means nothing should happen to anyone else and if it does they are stupid or have bad parents? no. things are not so black and white.

you can't argue with the fact that you are more likely to be shot if you own a gun than if you didn't.

Dirty F · 04-02-2013, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

In California, you need to take a safety class, unless you are ex military, then you need a copy of your DD214

It's not about the firearms, it's about freedoms and losing them because of what criminals are doing. That makes no sense to me! Do you really think limiting legal gun owners guns to 10 rounds each is going to save lives?

Cops have semi automatic rifles to protect themselves, they don't have them to protect us, we should have the same thing. Full auto, I have no use for, I'm a better shot than that.

Blah blah freedoms blaaaah blah

And your post above is a perfect example why inbreed rednecks like you should have no access to guns.
You're too goddamn dumb and white trash to understand that you are actually part of the problem.
As soon as people like you would legally walk around here with guns this country would quickly turn in to the 3rd world shithole you live in.
We don't have the freedom to just buy guns as you like and i'm extremely happy we don't. Something your inbreed brain will never understand.
I guess that's the result of growing up in the trailer park.

Dirty F · 04-02-2013, 05:58 AM

Someone who teaches his daughter how to shoot people in the eye is pointing at others for creating a gun problem.
Can it get any more retarded than that?
Funny how the rest of the world can see how insane the gun freaks are yet they think it's perfectly normal.

BlackCrayon · 04-02-2013, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Having and riding a motorcycle is not a right guaranteed by the constitution of the United States, it is a privilege. Owning a firearm is a right. Fuck any politician to the murky depths of hell if they think they are above the constitution.

As far as screening for mental health, are you out of your fucking mind? Seriously Richard, love you, but that's nuts. Think about it, some shrink sitting in an office going thru 300 people a day determining their right to own a gun? Because if you want it to be just when they see a shrink, they will stop seeing a shrink to keep their guns.

Think of it this way, when we were kids, how many did you know that were on meds? Now ask your kid how many she knows, the Medical field is going to determine who gets a gun? They are drugging all our kids to line their pockets.
You do know that in this country you are like 5 times more likely to die from the misdiagnoses of a doctor than a gun shot?

its a good thing guns were invented before cars. who knows what might of been in the constitution if cars had aided in America's independence from Britain.

i can't believe you would actually be against screening for mental health issues. i don't agree that simply seeing a psychiatrist should be ground for not obtaining a gun but if a person is diagnosed with a mental illness known for violent outbursts and hallucinations such as schizophrenia, these people should definitely not be able to have guns and there should be an easy way to screen for this. it won't prevent those who aren't diagnosed but its better than nothing.

Dirty F · 04-02-2013, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

its a good thing guns were invented before cars. who knows what might of been in the constitution if cars had aided in America's independence from Britain.

i can't believe you would actually be against screening for mental health issues. i don't agree that simply seeing a psychiatrist should be ground for not obtaining a gun but if a person is diagnosed with a mental illness known for violent outbursts and hallucinations such as schizophrenia, these people should definitely not be able to have guns and there should be an easy way to screen for this. it won't prevent those who aren't diagnosed but its better than nothing.

And what about white trash like Vendzilla? Someone with an extremely low iq who has guns eveywhere because he just can't wait to use them. Should he be allowed a gun? He's obviously a way bigger danger than any random criminal. The chances if him putting a gun in your face are much higher than a burglar doing that for instance.
And that's just him. He brainwashes women around him to shoot at anything that moves funny.
It's obvious that someone like Vendzilla is the real problem here.
You can't stop criminals but you can stop retards like him from owning a gun. This would make a huge difference.

Rochard · 04-02-2013, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Having and riding a motorcycle is not a right guaranteed by the constitution of the United States, it is a privilege. Owning a firearm is a right. Fuck any politician to the murky depths of hell if they think they are above the constitution.

But you must remember all of the discussions in the past about seat belts and helmets and how they infringed on our rights?

[QUOTE=Vendzilla;19556277]
As far as screening for mental health, are you out of your fucking mind? Seriously Richard, love you, but that's nuts. Think about it, some shrink sitting in an office going thru 300 people a day determining their right to own a gun? Because if you want it to be just when they see a shrink, they will stop seeing a shrink to keep their guns.
/QUOTE]

No one has to sit in an office and do anything. If you have seen a mental health doctor for ANYTHING, you are flagged. Period. If you see a shrink because someone in your house might be nuts, you are also flagged - can't have a firearm in the house if your kid is suicidal.

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Think of it this way, when we were kids, how many did you know that were on meds? Now ask your kid how many she knows, the Medical field is going to determine who gets a gun? They are drugging all our kids to line their pockets.
You do know that in this country you are like 5 times more likely to die from the misdiagnoses of a doctor than a gun shot?

And this should be the first thing in any new law about background searches.

The NRA used to be about gun safety in the 1970s - rifles. Handguns and assault rifles was never part of the discussion. After the last school shooting, instead of having smart discussions about what we can do to prevent this from happening again, the NRA stuck it's head up it's ass. The end result is the most damaging gun bill ever is about to pass in Connecticut.... Instead of the NRA sitting down with lawmakers and having a talk about it and having checks for mental health, instead we'll have to register "high capacity magazines".

Vendzilla · 04-02-2013, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

You are too funny. lol You served on a sub in a war that was in a desert. So I would bet you never experienced being shot at.

You would lose that bet

Vendzilla · 04-02-2013, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

its a good thing guns were invented before cars. who knows what might of been in the constitution if cars had aided in America's independence from Britain.

i can't believe you would actually be against screening for mental health issues. i don't agree that simply seeing a psychiatrist should be ground for not obtaining a gun but if a person is diagnosed with a mental illness known for violent outbursts and hallucinations such as schizophrenia, these people should definitely not be able to have guns and there should be an easy way to screen for this. it won't prevent those who aren't diagnosed but its better than nothing.

How many people would pass on treatment if it meant they would lose their guns? Given people like Tim McVeigh, I would rather they got the treatment, or are you suggesting mandatory screenings?

Vendzilla · 04-02-2013, 09:27 AM

[QUOTE=Rochard;19556750]But you must remember all of the discussions in the past about seat belts and helmets and how they infringed on our rights?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

As far as screening for mental health, are you out of your fucking mind? Seriously Richard, love you, but that's nuts. Think about it, some shrink sitting in an office going thru 300 people a day determining their right to own a gun? Because if you want it to be just when they see a shrink, they will stop seeing a shrink to keep their guns.
/QUOTE]

No one has to sit in an office and do anything. If you have seen a mental health doctor for ANYTHING, you are flagged. Period. If you see a shrink because someone in your house might be nuts, you are also flagged - can't have a firearm in the house if your kid is suicidal.

And this should be the first thing in any new law about background searches.

The NRA used to be about gun safety in the 1970s - rifles. Handguns and assault rifles was never part of the discussion. After the last school shooting, instead of having smart discussions about what we can do to prevent this from happening again, the NRA stuck it's head up it's ass. The end result is the most damaging gun bill ever is about to pass in Connecticut.... Instead of the NRA sitting down with lawmakers and having a talk about it and having checks for mental health, instead we'll have to register "high capacity magazines".

Were did I say anything about the NRA, and if you don't have mandatory screening, you'll have people skipping treatment to keep their guns, and if you try mandatory screening, then you will be in violation of the constitution

Vendzilla · 04-02-2013, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty F

And what about white trash like Vendzilla? Someone with an extremely low iq who has guns eveywhere because he just can't wait to use them. Should he be allowed a gun? He's obviously a way bigger danger than any random criminal. The chances if him putting a gun in your face are much higher than a burglar doing that for instance.
And that's just him. He brainwashes women around him to shoot at anything that moves funny.
It's obvious that someone like Vendzilla is the real problem here.
You can't stop criminals but you can stop retards like him from owning a gun. This would make a huge difference.

Nothing to say on the subject?

What a fucking moron, if you think I need a gun, you have never met me and don't have the balls to say these things to my face.

Putting you on ignore like all the other trolls with nothing to say but racist slurs and insults.
You need to adjust your medication and move out of your moms basement

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tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I had a talk with a friend of mine from Turkey. I didn't know you can get gun licenses in Turkey but to do that you have to spend two days in a hospital getting a battery of physical and psychological tests . Not a bad idea. As someone who studied the martial arts as a young man to think shooting at targets in a controlled environment is going to make you ready for a gun fight is silly. In the words of Bruce Lee, "Boards don't hit back." I think you should be able to own any gun you want. It should be registered yearly and you got to take a 4 weekend course and pass a test to get your gun license. A more comprehensive background check and close all selling loopholes. All guns start as legal. You pass it all, which I figure 95 percent of all gun owners can do, own an arsenal if you want.

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Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Someone who teaches his daughter how to shoot people in the eye is pointing at others for creating a gun problem. Can it get any more retarded than that? Funny how the rest of the world can see how insane the gun freaks are yet they think it's perfectly normal.