Grapesoda

"...workers say they need at least that to survive in the expensive world of New York City, and cited a study from a nonprofit that said that a New Yorker with two children who lived in the Bronx needed at least $28.85 an hour to be self-sufficient."

----- if you have 2 kids what the fuck are you doing working at McDonalds????

http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,7892003.story


Alana Semuels
April 4, 2013, 11:53 a.m.

NEW YORK -- How much should employers pay the people who serve up your french fries and ring up your tacos? It's an issue that's being raised for the second time in six months as hundreds of fast food workers in New York City walked out on the job Thursday to demand higher wages. An estimated 400 workers from 60 restaurants in Brooklyn, Manhattan and Harlem participated, organizers say.

The campaign, organized in part by the group Fast Food Forward, is asking for wages to be raised to $15 an hour, which in some cases would double the pay of some workers, raising their pay to around what a substitute teacher makes, or an emergency medical technician, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

But workers say they need at least that to survive in the expensive world of New York City, and cited a study from a nonprofit that said that a New Yorker with two children who lived in the Bronx needed at least $28.85 an hour to be self-sufficient.

?It?s what we need. We?re not trying to make the Forbes list or anything,? said Cheikh Tall, 20, who was protesting at a Wendy?s near Pennsylvania Station. Tall, who has worked in fast food for four years, makes $7.50 an hour and uses it to support himself, his brother and his mother, both of whom have recently been laid off.

It?s true that wages have not always kept pace with inflation, and that cities such as New York are extremely expensive places to live. But economists such as Mark Zupan, dean of the University of Rochester?s Simon School of Business, say that raising the pay of minimum wage workers isn?t the way to help low-wage workers out of poverty.

In the first place, many of the people making minimum wage are high school students and others who don?t support families, and are just working at McDonald?s while attending school. And secondly, wages should be determined by supply and demand, he argues, not by how much someone needs to survive.

?The best possible way to determine this is through the markets,? he said. ?It depends on how many people work in these jobs, and how much consumers are willing to pay for what a given worker produces.?

The better way to help minimum wage workers support themselves is give them access to more education so that they can train for a job that requires more skills, or one for which consumers are willing to pay more than a few dollars, he said.

?This noble idea ends up shooting ourselves in the foot,? he said of raising the minimum wage. ?We aren?t targeting the help where it's needed.?

But Jonathan Westin, the campaign director of New York Communities for Change, which helped to organize the protest, said that $15 an hour was a fair amount. Incremental increases to the minimum wage ? a quarter here, a dollar there ? isn?t likely to help workers stay afloat, he said.

?It can?t be incremental,? he said. ?It needs to be something sustainable.... And the corporations can afford to pay their workers more.?

Supply and demand seems to be working well for economists ? they are paid an average of $44 an hour, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Fast food workers, on the other hand, are at the bottom of the BLS scale, making on average $8.78 an hour. Manicurists and childcare workers are also at the bottom of the list. At the top ? psychiatrists, who make $83 an hour.

francescobj

it's amazing

mineistaken

Move, there are cheaper places where you could get same 7.5

Supz

My old office was right across from that Penn Station Wendys. I saw those protests. These people dont understad working at a fast food place is not a career and will never pay the bills. In any city pretty much.

Grapesoda

these days training, education and job skills are not understood to be rewarded with a good job

marcop

If you are working at McDonalds in a place as expensive as NYC, then what the fuck are you doing having kids?

Grapesoda

no kidding

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Shaniqua cant keep her legs closed while flipping burgers.

They have kids to get government money, on top of their minimum wage jobs.

One of our neighbors has 3 kids, she gets $350 a month for *EACH* of them from Obama plus she works at one of the local stores and pulls in a decent amount of $$$ from that, she even has state provided childcare for the kids (I believe).

Oh yeah, she is also expecting another kid in a few months time, so that's another $350 for the baby factory...

Paul&John

hehe just like the gypsies here... oh the only difference is that they aren't working, only making kids :D

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ilnjscb

So you would prefer that they don't work? That may be the job they can get.

tony286

Well said Those used to be the people that worked in the factories.

L-Pink

Yep, that's the better question.

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Grapesoda

maybe you could swing by, give them a few bucks and tell them to have a few more kids

tony286

really?
http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?p...6-4fb05e443d93

ThunderBalls

What does sitting on a porn board whining about poor people all day pay?

Porko

correctomundo

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BlackCrayon

yet if they didn't work people would complain that they didn't take any job, that mcdonalds is always hiring, etc. you can't have it both ways.

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mineistaken

Its all good, except that - do not have more than 1 or max 2 kids if you work low paid job. Thats common sense. Otherwise you just leech the society by collecting welfare.

Supz

There are plenty of jobs in NYC. Besides working at a fast food place. There are plenty of vocations where you can earn a better living then working at one of these places. There are plenty of job placement programs and such.

Grapesoda

this generation has very high expectations.. . my daughter just graduated from collage with a degree in sociology or some shit... she just got her first job at $19.00 per hour...she is very happy to have that job... while her BF sits around on unemployment. she'll work stuff like that until she goes back to school in the fall to work on her masters.

I'm not sure what your trip is however seems to me you are always trying to find excuses to blame the 'man' for peoples issues, no matter what they are. sometimes people have shit lives because they are stupid and lazy or just fucking mean and stupid.

not everything is the 'mans' fault

Grapesoda

beats me, how much?

tfs

Wow. Just wow. That's all.

sandman!

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tony286

Making $19 an hour out of college and making min wage out of college is two very different things. I will tell you my trip , I have the ability to look beyond my own nose. The people that buy porn are mostly middle class which is shrinking. Wages are going down the toilet, that starting a factory worker at $11 an hour is considered a good starting wage. I started at that in 1984, that's a problem. A consumer driven economy only works if people have money to spend.
I also talk to the people who work at the places I go (starbucks,panera, etc). Im a friendly guy and I hear how they work two full time jobs to make ends meet. And you are right not everyone is smart, those people were able to make a decent living in a factory but that's all gone. So now they work shit min wage jobs that cost us.