crockett

Bob Dole..



http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...says-bob-dole/


To be fair I think Neut Gets it as well.. Too bad the rest of the GOP has turned into a bunch of sourpuss whine babies, incapable of doing anything for this country.

blackmonsters

"I'm not a critic of the president, but I think one mistake he's made was not getting together more with Congress earlier on, in his first administration," Dole said.


"My goal is to make Obama a one term president".

I guess Dole forgot that is what GOP members of congress said on Obama's first day.
I'm sure that meeting with a boiling mad idiot Boehner after the election would have changed nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc

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crockett

Heh nice find.. Guess that's minus one Republican that gets it.. That was short lived. (a sensable sounding Republican that is)

dyna mo

i'm with you, imo, they will all get it sooner or later. in fact, we'll all get it.

L-Pink

Anyone who thinks one party is better than the other isn't seeing the big picture.

crockett

It's not about how one party is better than the other.. It's about how one party is at least trying to do something, meanwhile the other just kicks and screams like a baby in the corner because they can't get what they want 100% of the time.

bronco67

I had a feeling Dole didn't have too much stomach for the scumpit the GOP has become over the last few years.

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crockett

Na he doesn't actually get it.. I thought perhaps he might by what he said in that interview.. However the vid blackmonsters posted sums up the problems with the Republican party.

Dole said "their number one political goal should be to deny Obama a second term".

I'm sorry but that is exactly what is wrong with the GOP. Their main priority is to get them selves re-elected.. Vs their main political goal should be "serving the people". He is just as bad as the rest.. I thought maybe he might be different , but guess not..

I have nothing against them trying to make Obama a 1 term president, but not if they put that ahead of actually doing their fucking job. Which is exactly what they have done. They put their party ahead of the needs of this country.

It's what allowed them to be first hi jacked by the Religious right and now by the Tea Party. The Republican party has no soul it's just a cheap whore selling it's self out to whom ever can bring it the most votes..

bronco67

The bottom line is, there's a whole bunch of old white men that need to die off(McConnel, Boehner, Chambliss, McCain, etc), and hopefully the next group of old white republican men will have a little progressive spirit in them.

The mindset of their country is becoming more progressive, and they're living in the 50's.

The USA needs two parties, but when one side is bunch of bigoted, obstructing, undermining assholes it can't work.

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blackmonsters

Senator McConnel said that in the video. I don't know if Dole ever said it but I'm saying
Dole's is off his rocker for thinking Obama could have met with congress more earlier,
because this video proves that any meeting early on was useless.

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crockett

The country needs two or even three parties, I agree with that and I think each should have a chance of running the show for a while. It's never good to have only one choice.

However I have little confidence in the GOP doing any better in the future when people like Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Sara Palin & Michele Bachmann are the ones being pushed into the limelight..

Minte

This is the problem with the democrats

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crockett

Yea you're right.. I dunno why I was thinking that was Dole.. doesn't even look like him..

But yea there is nothing Obama could have done at anytime other than not be elected in the first place that would appease the Right. They want to cry about the left not compromising yet what have they done other than try to block everything.

You don't have to agree with everything Obama does or agree with any of it to see that he has tried to work with the right but the right has stone walled him at every turn. Compromise to the right means they get everything their way the other side gets nothing.

They need to learn that's not how the real world works.

kane

To me, this is a good example of why term limits should be in place and could work well. This way these people, regardless of party, are not worried about getting re-elected and will focus on doing a good job.

Sure, they might worry about keeping their party in power or helping their party regain power, but the best way to do that is to do a good job.

crockett

The problem with Republicans.. They have no clue..



The last Republican President to actually lower the national debit since WW2 was Nixon..

Ford, Regan, Bush 1 & 2 all raised the debit.. but guys like Minte have some pretty damn rose colored glasses..

Obama is in fact the only Dem since Roosevelt that has the debit higher than when he came into office. He still has a few years to work on lowering it though.. Somehow Republicans live in this bizarro world where numbers and facts mean nothing as long as they go with their gut feeling..

dyna mo

so what will the republicans focus on/change their agenda to now that obama only has 3 year left?

crockett

They wont change.. They will continue to act like spoiled brats at the mall throwing temper tantrums. Come election time, they will try to reinvent some bull shit history and try and sell it to the American people like it's some kind of apple pie.

In other words same shit another 4 years later..

Minte

benghazi-gate....IRS-gate & AP-gate

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Minte

When you can't wow them with the facts you blind them with bullshit.



http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...gress/1830363/

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dyna mo

those are certainly very important issues. if they can focus on those issues by shining a positive light on themselves the party could accomplish a lot more next election cycle, imo.

the typical level of mudslinging not included.

crockett

Oh funny you bring up Benghazi.. I thought all you right wingers had forgotten about that every since it was made public that the "leaked" e-mails were faked to make Obama look bad..

Funny how fast McCain dropped that ball once that came out.. Benghazi what?

I have one for you Minte.. How about starting fucking wars based on lies.. You didn't mind that one bit I bet.

GregE

None of which the average American cares about ... and with good reason.

Meanwhile, the Republicans love to talk about jobs when they're running for office. Perhaps they should consider addressing that issue in between elections.

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crockett

Once again where was your concern when Reagan doubled it? Where was your concern when Bush Sr almost doubled it in 1 term.. Where was your concern when Bush Jr doubled it?

It's nice that you worry about spending now.. what about the last 3 Republicans Presidents..

I hate to break it to you minte but Dems have had a much better track record on the debit.. Despite what guys like you love to scream and shout about.

Obama had to deal with two wars that were started under Bush Jr and had to bail out the economy. I'm pretty sure he owns the debit that has been created under his term, but that is to be expected given what has happened to this country.

Minte

I'm not a right-winger. I'm a fiscal conservative.

As far as starting a war based on lies. That's the short version.
How about starting a war for oil, Or for genocide, Or for simply political reasons.

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crockett

You claim to be a fiscal conservative.. Yet you support a party that is anything but that.

If you are a true fiscal conservative, you should be just as out raged at the current Republican party as you seem to be at the Democrats. In fact you should be more outraged at the Republicans.

As far as the scandals you mentioned.. If Obama is found to be linked to them then he should catch the blow back what ever that may be. However we all know it wont happen just like nothing happened to Bush/Cheney & co for the lies they told the American people about Iraq.

Not to mention all the other shit they did while fucking the American people..

Minte

What makes you think I wasn't concerned about deficit spending with every administration?

If you want to discuss history we could ... You haven't mastered the art of deflection. Don't bother trying.

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crockett

You sure have a funny way of showing it.. I sure as hell don't remember seeing any of your posts hooting and hollering about G Bush Jr and his raising of the national debit.

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Rochard

This fucking hilarious... The article you point us to - which, btw, is an opinion column - pin points the exact moment the growing deficit become a problem. It happens to be the exact moment a Republican president took office.



Did you complain about the deficit during the eight years a Republican president was in office?

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crockett

Please not Ayn Rand crap.. The fact that Paul Ryan idolizes Ayn Rand should tell you something about the future of the GOP..

Joshua G

dole is wrong. its not gonna take a year of rethinking to improve the repubs. It is simply no longer a national political party. only a southern/midwestern party. & they may lose even that as each passing generation is more connected & progressive then the last.

unlike the clintons & the new democrats of 92, there is no republican equivalent to bring the party back to the center. instead, the new republicans, like rand paul, are libertarian & arguably more right wing then the leadership, if thats possible.

so a discussion of the republicans future should be about what replaces the republicans, not how the repubs re-pitch their boilerplate.

crockett

The Repubs don't really have any future at this point. It doesn't mean they can't turn themselves around but they have as you mentioned alienated the voters.

The only hope they have is if the economy gets worse and more people lose their jobs. Neither of which is happening and even the national debit is going down faster than planned.

Really the last hope they have for the next election baring some great white hope that climbs out of the wood work and speaks to the people is "scandals".

This is why I think the Right's only focus at this point is trying to catch Obama up in some scandal and trying to make mountains out of mole hills with each one. Their only real chance with that working is to get something so bad that people get pissed at Dems and a intern BJ isn't going to do it..

Honestly that's a crap shoot at best, even if Obama got caught up in something it doesn't mean people wouldn't vote for a Dem the next time. The economy is going much better now people are finding jobs and the housing market is coming back. Not to mention he's lived up to his promise of ending the wars as Afghan will soon come to a close of major US involvement.

People with out the GOP issued rose colored glasses remember the Bush years and they don't want that back.

The fact that the GOP can't see the forest for the sake of the trees speaks volumes. Everyone is sick of the bullshit in Washington, regardless of the party. The only thing the Right actually would have to do to get back in the white house is actually do their fucking job with out all the bull shit. Something it seems they are incapable of doing.

Captain Kawaii

Neither party controls much of anything except their vacations.

Money controls it all. Oil, excuse me, Energy and major international conglomerates GE, DuPont and friends control it all. You're arguing about hand puppets.

Can any of you make 74$ billion in profits and not pay a penny tax? But keep reading from the script provided.

bronco67

I think most people have figured out that when a Republican gets in office, it means 4 years of rich people getting richer, new wars and social programs getting nuked/cut -- and basically the little guy getting it up the butt. It's true that the party has no future, because they're going in the wrong direction, especially after getting pounded in the last election.

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Crockett, do you HONESTLY believe the Democratic party "gets it any better" ? 2 sides of the same coin my friend, just different methods to fuck over the people to expand their power base.

Democrats do not even realize that the poor and middle class were fucked a lot harder on Obamas punish the rich tax plan.

Who do you think feels it more, the guy paying an extra 3% on his income ABOVE 450k or the poor working stiff making 40k that has to pony up 2% more in payroll taxes on everything.

Then lets not forget the guy does not work for a scumbag, and he has company insurance that actually pays for shit, so soon he will have the pleasure of paying taxes on that as well.

Both parties are equally fucked, just in different ways

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lets hear it for the democrats
in the last 4 years, they have created less jobs than needed to keep up with the growing work force.
in the last 4 years they have raised the debt 6 trillion, did you know that most of that amount is borrowed from social security?
in the last 4 years, they gave us a health care over haul that's 20,000 pages long in new regulations
in the last 4 years, cost of the food stamp program has increased 400%
in the last 4 years we have been sending drones to countries we are NOT at war with
When Obama went into office, the average price of gas was $1.84


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crockett

Both parties are equally fucked but at least with the Dems in office the little guy isn't fucked quite as hard.

Both sides are owned by their corporate money gods. However at least with the Dem's the little people get a hand out for their taxes paid. With the Republicans as a little guy you just get fucked while paying your taxes.

crockett

Where was your outrage under Bush? You are wearing the same rose colored glasses as Minte.

Seriously you are really bringing up the gas prices. Perhaps you should educate yourself with reality. You should really stop listening to Fox news..

http://www.mercurynews.com/president...s-prices-obama



Hey guess what.. Gas was 50 cents 30 years ago.. Ever hear of Inflation?

Vendzilla

Look back in my posts, you will find I'm sure that I was pissed when the price of gas peeked under Bush.

But I wasn't talking about Bush, I was talking about Barry

Blaming Bush for everything is getting old. Under Bush, the price dropped from a high point, still waiting for under Obama, because under him, oil drilling permit approvals on federal land has been the lowest in recent history.

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think about that

arock10

gas needs to be $8 a gallon, fuck the oil companies

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crockett

If you read the link I posted you will discover the the price of gas has gone up a lot under each of the last presidents. It's not just an Obama thing so why single him out, which is the point I was making.

The President doesn't make the price of gas go up or down. Sure he can have a small temporary affect by certain actions but it's the market driven supply vs demand that changes the prices.

The oil companies have been playing games for years now by cutting their production down to the minimum in order to keep prices higher. You want to blame someone for the price of tea in China you blame the Chinese.. However if you want to blame someone for the price of Gas anywhere in the world, you blame OPEC.

crockett

Also on the oil drilling you are slightly mis-informed. In fact the US is now producing more oil under Obama than it did under Bush. I know that doesn't fit your agenda, but facts are facts.

http://www.npr.org/2012/01/24/145719...lling-ramps-up

Yes, Bush drilled for more oil during his presidency but that trend has continued under Obama. Each year we are producing more and more. It didn't suddenly just turn off when Obama took office, no matter what nonsense you want to believe.

Vendzilla

You really believe that?

You think that Obama cutting new permits for drilling on federal land is going to have a positive effect on oil prices?

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think about that

Vendzilla

Yeah, they are drilling more, Because of BUSH and CLINTON, not the idiot and chief!
It takes time for those permits to go from permit to drilling

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think about that

Vendzilla

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medial...t/table-01.pdf

During the last three fiscal years totally under Bush, there were 9,661 "new leases" granted for federal lands. For the three most recent fiscal years (which includes a few months of Bush's administration), there were 5,568 such new leases. This works out to a 42.4% decrease.
Take the same comparable periods for drilling permits on federal lands. There were 20,479 for the last three years under Bush, then 12,821 for the most recent three including much of Obama's first term. This is a 37.4% decrease

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think about that

Rochard

The downfall happened under Bush, not Obama. Bush dragged our country down to an all time low - he raised the deficit, lowered income, AND destroyed the economy.

Not true. When Bush took office gas was $1.83 a gallon. When he left office, the average price of gas was $3.41. The price of gas under Bush almost doubled during his term. Meanwhile, gas dropped down to $2.43 while Obama was in office.


We discussed this during the debates when Romney said this. It wasn't true then, and it's not true now. Permits are down, but oil production on federal land is up - 14% according to fact check.

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Rochard

Great, permits are down. But oil production is up.

http://factcheck.org/2012/10/obamas-drilling-denials/

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is that due to oil company 'consolidation'? any idea why there'd be 40% less permits and more production?