Strategy for TLD assholes - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Jel · 06-23-2013, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Getsu

Yes. You sound like a fucking retard.

And I very much doubt you have anything of worth to promote.

Easy tiger

It's obvious the guy is new to this, he did the right thing by asking, and has also taken the advice given. None of us knew, before we knew

MrVids · 07-24-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by vvvvv

Let me tell you about a guy named Steve. Steve had an affiliate program and he had people doing this to him. His program was wildly popular. He made a lot of money. The top results for one of his main girls liked like this :

Her name. In
Her name. Net
Her name. Com
Her name. Affiliate. Com
Her name. Biz
Her name. Affiliate. Com
Her name. Us
Her name. Affiliate. Com
Tube. Com /her stolen video

And this meant Steve made money on her name. He was protected in a way by those affiliates.

One day Steve had this wild idea. What if he forced the affiliates with his models name in the TLD to give him the names and he redirected to his. Com? He'd make a lot of money right? Yes. He did for a year. Now the results for this model are :

Tube. Com /her stolen video
Tube. Com /her stolen video
Tube. Com /her stolen video
Her name. Com
Tube. Com /her stolen video
Tube. Com /her stolen video
Tube. Com /her stolen video
Tube. Com /her stolen video

And now everyone sees that they don't need a membership because stolen videos make up the top results. Now he makes nothing compared to what he used to make. Those affiliates that were protecting his top ten results so he always got a piece of the pie aren't there anymore.

Think of it as having a piece of somebody else's work and not them stealing. Because the reality is they can't just buy the alternate TLD and be #2. They have to work to beat the tubes. For your sake. Also, if not tubes, if you don't have video, file lockers and torrents of your entire site rips.

Well said. I had a domain, let's say it's goymii.net so as not to call them out directly.

They filed with ICANN, lawyers and all that, to take hold of the name. So I forfeited it after a bit of back and forth. Mind you, the whole time I dealt with their lawyers, at no point did anyone from cash.phemjoy.com (again, trying not to call them out so that's a fictional domain) contact me directly to talk it out though I tried to contact them multiple times. It was converting well, everything we put was hand written, we put a lot of work into making it a great affiliate site.

Now, when you search for "goymii" 8 of the top 10 results are tubes with a pile of free content. Congrats to "goymii" on that. I'm sure surfers are much happier paying nothing.

signupdamnit · 07-24-2013, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vvvvv

Let me tell you about a guy named Steve. Steve had an affiliate program and he had people doing this to him. His program was wildly popular. He made a lot of money. The top results for one of his main girls liked like this :

Her name. In
Her name. Net
Her name. Com
Her name. Affiliate. Com
Her name. Biz
Her name. Affiliate. Com
Her name. Us
Her name. Affiliate. Com
Tube. Com /her stolen video

And this meant Steve made money on her name. He was protected in a way by those affiliates.

One day Steve had this wild idea. What if he forced the affiliates with his models name in the TLD to give him the names and he redirected to his. Com? He'd make a lot of money right? Yes. He did for a year. Now the results for this model are :

Tube. Com /her stolen video
Tube. Com /her stolen video
Tube. Com /her stolen video
Her name. Com
Tube. Com /her stolen video
Tube. Com /her stolen video
Tube. Com /her stolen video
Tube. Com /her stolen video

And now everyone sees that they don't need a membership because stolen videos make up the top results. Now he makes nothing compared to what he used to make. Those affiliates that were protecting his top ten results so he always got a piece of the pie aren't there anymore.

Think of it as having a piece of somebody else's work and not them stealing. Because the reality is they can't just buy the alternate TLD and be #2. They have to work to beat the tubes. For your sake. Also, if not tubes, if you don't have video, file lockers and torrents of your entire site rips.

DING! DING!

It's also a very bad sign for an alert affiliate. Usually if a sponsor goes after affiliates in these conditions it means they are micro-managers and/or that they see many affiliates as a liability.

fuzebox · 07-24-2013, 11:18 AM

I hate when affiliates brandcamp as well. If you register every TLD in existence though, they can just register yourdomainvids.com or something like that. Just be glad they're pointing that traffic at you, and do your best to make sure you rank above them.

Klen · 07-24-2013, 11:42 AM

My view on that is following:it is ok as longest it not just a redirect to linkcode,or with poor content.If it is site like blog,review site,anything what provide info about paysite which is not present on paysite tour.After all surfers do type paysite name in google to search for more info about it before sign up.

Why · 07-24-2013, 01:21 PM

i used to have a bunch of domains doing this. in some cases i out ranked the paysite in question.... everytime i got to the point i was making more then a few hundred a month, my account was closed, i guess the finally notice one day and get angry like you. after losing great income streams i have stopped doing it, sucks to lose rebills and reliable income due to greed, if it were algo changes i could swallow it better.

digital desire and sean cody are two i can think of that do not allow this and i am sure both made thousands from cancelling my accounts, dicks.

i honestly dont see the problem with it, its still traffic going to the paysite, i put in the work of building the site and ranking it, everyone profits. imagine if you get rid of me and mainstream(or negative) article takes my place... thats less traffic for you.

Nasty · 07-24-2013, 01:32 PM

links pulled

Nasty · 07-24-2013, 01:46 PM

zishy . net does not seem to be hurting you

tumblr and facebook are yours?

icymelon · 08-27-2013, 06:57 PM

this is an important thread. Seriously look at google results for most adult terms provide stolen tube videos. Why would an affiliate program prefer stolen videos to rank over an affiliate who sends you quality traffic. Ego gets in the way of logic but fight the urge.

zishy · 08-27-2013, 07:00 PM

Yes, which is why I have allowed it. Hasn't snagged too many sales.

PornMD · 08-27-2013, 07:05 PM

You could always UDRP the domain if you have your name trademarked (and in some cases even with just a common-law trademark, you could still win though it's a lot less likely). But that's a min $500 to file, and if they come bitching here, it'll hurt your ability to get more affiliates.

If they're not taking #1 rankings from you, it shouldn't be a huge deal anyways.

jscott · 08-27-2013, 09:28 PM

you didnt buy the .net, someone else did and are promoting your site. there should be absolutely no complaints about this at all imho

Deputy Chief Command · 08-27-2013, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by zishy

I just have a problem paying people for traffic they don't have originally as webmasters. Am I the only one who considers this 'cheating'?

I think it is standard practice to register a domain and use it in that way

it would be a problem if said affiliate is promoting your competition .. if he is promoting you then I see no harm?

remember , that even though right now you rank good one yourkeyword.com this does not mean this will be like this forever especially if people are linking to yourkeyword.com/affiliatecode from all sorts of different networks

good SEO done by a webmaster with experience might outrank you and last longer in said rankings

TumblrPRO · 08-27-2013, 10:42 PM

Now I know to stay away as much as I can from "ZISHY"... Really hate when a sponsor is so greed to hit that extreme limit to go against their own affiliates, I really hate that so much.

Right now I have this domain problem with another sponsors I won't name yet. I was able to rank above them for their own paysite name, I use a .net with the same domain name as their .com. I only promote that sponsor in this site, yet they are trying to force me to sell them my domain name. Of course I won't, but they said that they could close my account.

If these idiots close my account I will make sure to report them in a thread in this forum. And I know very well they will read this message. I hate that kind of practice from greed sponsors. They should thank me that Im sending them sales. WTF, how can they go against their own affiliates? Truly Insane...

TumblrPRO · 08-27-2013, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by icymelon

this is an important thread. Seriously look at google results for most adult terms provide stolen tube videos. Why would an affiliate program prefer stolen videos to rank over an affiliate who sends you quality traffic. Ego gets in the way of logic but fight the urge.

I have seen you ranking in top of google for many paysite domains, and you are using the TLD variation and listing above all.

What's the trick? How can you rank for every single term in top?

For example www.paysitename.com and you have www.paysitename.us and list in top always.

baddog · 08-27-2013, 10:47 PM

I can't bring myself to read the entire thread; so . . .

Quote:

Originally Posted by zishy

I just have a problem paying people for traffic they don't have originally as webmasters. Am I the only one who considers this 'cheating'?

ummm, what do you mean you are paying someone for traffic they don't have?

Quote:

Originally Posted by zishy

I will grant you its better than a torrent site's links, but there is no upside to me competing with affiliates who didn't have relevant traffic in the first place.

If their traffic isn't relevant then how are you competing with them?

PornMD · 08-28-2013, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TumblrPRO

Now I know to stay away as much as I can from "ZISHY"... Really hate when a sponsor is so greed to hit that extreme limit to go against their own affiliates, I really hate that so much.

Right now I have this domain problem with another sponsors I won't name yet. I was able to rank above them for their own paysite name, I use a .net with the same domain name as their .com. I only promote that sponsor in this site, yet they are trying to force me to sell them my domain name. Of course I won't, but they said that they could close my account.

If these idiots close my account I will make sure to report them in a thread in this forum. And I know very well they will read this message. I hate that kind of practice from greed sponsors. They should thank me that Im sending them sales. WTF, how can they go against their own affiliates? Truly Insane...

Just so you know, if you register a domain:

1. Closely resembling a trademark
2. With bad faith against the trademark holder (which trying to profit from their trademark fits)
3. Without legitimate use of your own aside from their trademark

You can get the domain taken from you, end of story. You can bitch about it all day long, but that is UDRP, which is law of the land for most major exts. Don't like it, register some ccTLD that UDRP doesn't apply to - and even then make sure whichever dispute resolution policy that extension uses doesn't have the same guidelines.

I'm not saying a trademark holder should make a big deal out of it if they're ultimately getting the traffic/customers anyways albeit with some lost profit, but they can if they want to, and legally you would be in the wrong.

But hey, be glad they're not Facebook and the like, who have sued for the $100,000 damages allowed by law per trademark infringement. Then your cereal would really be shat in.

Tom_PM · 08-28-2013, 10:08 AM

I think it's wise to not disallow this in your TOS. PROVIDED they are sending traffic only to you naturally. You might consider putting that in your TOS (didn't read, maybe there already).

The instant it goes to a different site.. take harsh action.

Va2k · 08-28-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSquealer

Accept the traffic and the joins and stop being a dipshit. If, with the help of webmasters, you can own the top 10 results for some phrases that make money... why fuck with that? If they are promoting you, then who cares.

A FUCKING MEN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

VS_Jeff · 08-28-2013, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zishy

What do you guys do when a person joins your affiliate program and buys yourdomain.net and begins competing with search rank in Google with your actual site? Do you drop the affiliate?

Do you have to buy your brand name with every TLD just to stay sane?

Sucks.

z

If it's your TM, then you can take it from them. If not, any SEO that he does for the .net ultimately helps your.com, but I don't see it as real competition.

mineistaken · 08-28-2013, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zishy

I just have a problem paying people for traffic they don't have originally as webmasters. Am I the only one who considers this 'cheating'?

"don't have" ? Are you saying that they do not have to work for that traffic and get it for free just because they registered that domain?

cybermike · 08-28-2013, 01:23 PM

You still have to do a lot of work even if you own .net or .org.. One sponsor (mutt) let me register the .net and .org of their paysite and I'm ranking like crap!

HomerSimpson · 08-28-2013, 01:35 PM

no need to ban or do anything against those people...
they are doing you a favor making sites and sending traffic your way...

If I were you I wouldn't even bother buying other TLDs other than .com and let the promoters use them... it's better to be developed than bought by you and undeveloped/redirected... just waste of money and resources...

BTW:
I own couple domains with slashes... for eg. some porn star have official site at pornstar.com and I have porn-star.com and I bring in nice sales with those sites/blogs... never had issues with that...

Jim_Gunn · 08-28-2013, 02:12 PM

If it really bothers you that much spend a couple hundred bucks to register every popular domain extension and variation ("videos", "photos", "blog", "fan club", "xxx" etc) you can think of.

freecartoonporn · 08-28-2013, 06:50 PM

case 1 :
ban the affiliate if its in your tos .

case 2 :
add it in tos and then ban the affioiate.

in either case you gonna loose traffic and sales.

you dont mess with the affiliate.

MrDeiz · 08-28-2013, 11:48 PM

that's not fair to steal traffic that way
if i'd be the owner, i wouldn't let to use exact name of my paysite

Freedom6995 · 05-14-2022, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sly

Nice work, you wrote that at the speed of light.

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07-24-2013, 01:32 PM	#57
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07-24-2013, 01:46 PM	#58
Nasty Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sunny Fucking California Posts: 1,575	zishy . net does not seem to be hurting you tumblr and facebook are yours? __________________ “Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about killing than we know about living. If we continue to develop our technology without wisdom or prudence, our servant may prove to be our executioner.” ― Omar Bradley (1948)

08-27-2013, 06:57 PM	#59
icymelon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,220	this is an important thread. Seriously look at google results for most adult terms provide stolen tube videos. Why would an affiliate program prefer stolen videos to rank over an affiliate who sends you quality traffic. Ego gets in the way of logic but fight the urge. __________________ Network Of Adult Blogs With Hardlink Rentals Available

08-27-2013, 07:00 PM	#60
zishy Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 61	Yes, which is why I have allowed it. Hasn't snagged too many sales. __________________ Zishy - Subscription site featuring photos that leave something to the imagination. Affiliate Program: Cash.Zishy

08-27-2013, 07:05 PM	#61
PornMD Mainstream Businessman Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 9,291	You could always UDRP the domain if you have your name trademarked (and in some cases even with just a common-law trademark, you could still win though it's a lot less likely). But that's a min $500 to file, and if they come bitching here, it'll hurt your ability to get more affiliates. If they're not taking #1 rankings from you, it shouldn't be a huge deal anyways. __________________ Want to crush it in mainstream with Facebook ads? Hit me up.

07-24-2013, 11:18 AM	#54
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,087	I hate when affiliates brandcamp as well. If you register every TLD in existence though, they can just register yourdomainvids.com or something like that. Just be glad they're pointing that traffic at you, and do your best to make sure you rank above them.

07-24-2013, 11:42 AM	#55
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	My view on that is following:it is ok as longest it not just a redirect to linkcode,or with poor content.If it is site like blog,review site,anything what provide info about paysite which is not present on paysite tour.After all surfers do type paysite name in google to search for more info about it before sign up.

07-24-2013, 01:21 PM	#56
Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	i used to have a bunch of domains doing this. in some cases i out ranked the paysite in question.... everytime i got to the point i was making more then a few hundred a month, my account was closed, i guess the finally notice one day and get angry like you. after losing great income streams i have stopped doing it, sucks to lose rebills and reliable income due to greed, if it were algo changes i could swallow it better. digital desire and sean cody are two i can think of that do not allow this and i am sure both made thousands from cancelling my accounts, dicks. i honestly dont see the problem with it, its still traffic going to the paysite, i put in the work of building the site and ranking it, everyone profits. imagine if you get rid of me and mainstream(or negative) article takes my place... thats less traffic for you.

08-27-2013, 09:28 PM	#62
jscott So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Taipei Posts: 25,198	you didnt buy the .net, someone else did and are promoting your site. there should be absolutely no complaints about this at all imho

08-27-2013, 10:42 PM	#64
TumblrPRO So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Earth Posts: 296	Now I know to stay away as much as I can from "ZISHY"... Really hate when a sponsor is so greed to hit that extreme limit to go against their own affiliates, I really hate that so much. Right now I have this domain problem with another sponsors I won't name yet. I was able to rank above them for their own paysite name, I use a .net with the same domain name as their .com. I only promote that sponsor in this site, yet they are trying to force me to sell them my domain name. Of course I won't, but they said that they could close my account. If these idiots close my account I will make sure to report them in a thread in this forum. And I know very well they will read this message. I hate that kind of practice from greed sponsors. They should thank me that Im sending them sales. WTF, how can they go against their own affiliates? Truly Insane...

08-28-2013, 10:08 AM	#68
Tom_PM Porn Meister Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 16,443	I think it's wise to not disallow this in your TOS. PROVIDED they are sending traffic only to you naturally. You might consider putting that in your TOS (didn't read, maybe there already). The instant it goes to a different site.. take harsh action. __________________ 43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

08-28-2013, 01:23 PM	#72
cybermike Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Ny Posts: 4,113	You still have to do a lot of work even if you own .net or .org.. One sponsor (mutt) let me register the .net and .org of their paysite and I'm ranking like crap! __________________ Hey surfers how about some The Best Porn Sites

08-28-2013, 01:35 PM	#73
HomerSimpson Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Springfield Posts: 13,826	no need to ban or do anything against those people... they are doing you a favor making sites and sending traffic your way... If I were you I wouldn't even bother buying other TLDs other than .com and let the promoters use them... it's better to be developed than bought by you and undeveloped/redirected... just waste of money and resources... BTW: I own couple domains with slashes... for eg. some porn star have official site at pornstar.com and I have porn-star.com and I bring in nice sales with those sites/blogs... never had issues with that... __________________ Make a bank with Chaturbate - the best selling webcam program Ads that can't be block with AdBlockers !!! /// Best paying popup program (Bitcoin payouts) !!! PHP, MySql, Smarty, CodeIgniter, Laravel, WordPress, NATS... fixing stuff, server migrations & optimizations... My ICQ: 27429884 \| Email: Last edited by HomerSimpson; 08-28-2013 at 01:36 PM..

08-28-2013, 02:12 PM	#74
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08-28-2013, 06:50 PM	#75
freecartoonporn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NC Posts: 7,683	case 1 : ban the affiliate if its in your tos . case 2 : add it in tos and then ban the affioiate. in either case you gonna loose traffic and sales. you dont mess with the affiliate. __________________ SSD Cloud Server, VPS Server, Simple Cloud Hosting \| DigitalOcean

08-28-2013, 11:48 PM	#76
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