Couple chases and confronts teens loses fight then fires gun

[tonyparra]

http://gawker.com/5992400/caught-on-...etting-beat-up

These kids are being called heroes for defending themselves. Good thing they had camera rolling when this went down. Or that they did not like Trayvon Martin. I already know what everyones excuses will be I have bet a friend or the guaranteed responses to this thread.

[tonyparra]

Comments:

portalspuds1L
So an insecure "man's man" who starts a fight over the most simplest of things, gets in way over his head, and needs a fire arm to protect his masculinity

Sounds like an a-typical gun owner to me

CurrentSensorStatus11L
Sounds like George Zimmerman to me.

[baddog]

hmmm, I did not hear a gunshot.

[ReggieDurango]

That guy got his ass beat

[ReggieDurango]

I can't stop watching the video! There's really nothing like watching an aggressive jerk get what's coming to him

[Phoenix]

This is how i picture most gun nuts. Now they will go to jail...possibly losing custody of their child.

yes these people should be allowed to carry a life ending device....they obviously can make good decisions.

[Rochard]

Which one of you fuckers is going to say "He was in a life threatening situation where two kids were beating up on him and the next blow could have been deadly - thus he could have shot both kids dead".

Baddog?

[geedub]

Haha what a bitch that guy is.

[tonyparra]

This was videotaped. If Zimmerman was recorded we would know exactly what happened there too.

[GFED]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Which one of you fuckers is going to say "He was in a life threatening situation where two kids were beating up on him and the next blow could have been deadly - thus he could have shot both kids dead".

Baddog?

If they continued beating him when he hit the ground to the point where it would have been considered excessive then yes, he would have the right to use deadly force.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by baddog

hmmm, I did not hear a gunshot.

Then you need to get your hearing checked. The guy fired off a round as he was raising the gun.

[GFED]

Originally Posted by crockett

Then you need to get your hearing checked. The guy fired off a round as he was raising the gun.

You can hear a gunshot after his wife runs out and hands him the gun. But the sound desyncs at that point. Also the gunshot sounds like a .45 caliber while the gun looks like a ruger lcp .32 caliber or maybe a lc9 9 mm. At no point in the video it looks like he actually fires the gun. Nevertheless he had no right to point the gun at them after they fled.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Which one of you fuckers is going to say "He was in a life threatening situation where two kids were beating up on him and the next blow could have been deadly - thus he could have shot both kids dead".

Baddog?

If he was on the ground and kicking him in the head he would have been justified.

Originally Posted by crockett

Then you need to get your hearing checked. The guy fired off a round as he was raising the gun.

Bullshit, that was the door of the truck slamming shut.

[GFED]

Originally Posted by baddog

Bullshit, that was the door of the truck slamming shut.

That would make more sense, as you do not actually see the gun discharge.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by GFED

That would make more sense, as you do not actually see the gun discharge.

Too much sense for GFY.

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Originally Posted by GFED

Nevertheless he had no right to point the gun at them after they fled.

Yup, unfortunately most on GFY don't understand simple, factual concepts like this.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by tonyparra

http://gawker.com/5992400/caught-on-...etting-beat-up

These kids are being called heroes for defending themselves. Good thing they had camera rolling when this went down. Or that they did not like Trayvon Martin. I already know what everyones excuses will be I have bet a friend or the guaranteed responses to this thread.

how about the guy is sitting at the light minding his own biz with the wife and kid, 2 punks pull him out the car and start beating on him... okay to pull the gun then???

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by GFED

If they continued beating him when he hit the ground to the point where it would have been considered excessive then yes, he would have the right to use deadly force.

So when Martin punched Zimmerman it's considered life threatening, but when two kids smack around an older man it's... Just a fist fight?

I don't see the difference between the two. Both were fist fights.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Rochard

So when Martin punched Zimmerman it's considered life threatening, but when two kids smack around an older man it's... Just a fist fight?

I don't see the difference between the two. Both were fist fights.

Zimmerman had Martin on top of him.

[GFED]

Originally Posted by Rochard

So when Martin punched Zimmerman it's considered life threatening, but when two kids smack around an older man it's... Just a fist fight?

I don't see the difference between the two. Both were fist fights.

Well my idea of a fist fight is when the other person hits the ground, you let him back up. If he wants some more, you knock him to the ground again. You do not however beat him while he's down.

edit: Yes, these days many people like to grapple, wrestle, and take the fight to the ground. But when you deny the opponent to tap-out, cry uncle, and continue beating him while he's screaming for help then it's quit excessive.

[tonyparra]

Originally Posted by baddog

Zimmerman had Martin on top of him.

This guy got beat way worse than Zimmerman.

The prosecutors say he fired the weapon. I believe it discharged when he cocked it.

Bradley Turner was charged with multiple crimes, including discharging a weapon into property, going armed to the terror of the people, and two counts of assault by pointing a gun.

[Spunky]

Buddy should have known better than to confront them like that,especially with a wife and kid in the truck

[tonyparra]

Originally Posted by GFED

Well my idea of a fist fight is when the other person hits the ground, you let him back up. If he wants some more, you knock him to the ground again. You do not however beat him while he's down.

edit: Yes, these days many people like to grapple, wrestle, and take the fight to the ground. But when you deny the opponent to tap-out, cry uncle, and continue beating him while he's screaming for help then it's quit excessive.

We still dont know who was yelling for help, how Zimmerman really ended up on the ground. One person heard Martin saying get off me, no one saw it start.

[dyna mo]

holy crap, those 2 are in a whole heap of trouble!

The couple reportedly had a toddler in their car at the time of the incident.

Bradley Turner was charged with multiple crimes, including discharging a weapon into property, going armed to the terror of the people, and two counts of assault by pointing a gun.

Christy Turner was charged with two counts of assault by pointing a gun.

[NWB Guy]

I don't think that guy would have had the balls to stalk and confront those teens if he didn't have a gun with him. Handing out concealed-carry permits like candy is a recipe for disaster. Once chicken-shits like that get to carry a gun around, they start thinking of situations where they can use it.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

how about the guy is sitting at the light minding his own biz with the wife and kid, 2 punks pull him out the car and start beating on him... okay to pull the gun then???

but thats not what happened. the guy came at these kids, punching them, they fought back and the guy was losing so out comes the gun. the guy shouldn't of started something he couldn't finish on his own.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by tonyparra

The prosecutors say he fired the weapon. I believe it discharged when he cocked it.

Well, like someone mentioned, the sound sync seems to have gone awry . . . when I watched it again I hear what could be a shot before he was even handed the gun.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by baddog

Too much sense for GFY.

Obviously the cops charged them with discharging the weapon for no reason. The house also managed to cause damage to itself.

Obviously a vast conspiracy in the making to allow Obama to take everyone's guns away. This actually makes much more sense..

What would we ever do without guys like baddog to tell us how it really happened.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by baddog

Too much sense for GFY.

it seems you are always willing to side with the older people and villianize the younger. i don't know if the gun went off or what but the guy followed them to their home around and shot out the windows of their truck. that has nothing to do with self defense.

[shake]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

but thats not what happened. the guy came at these kids, punching them, they fought back and the guy was losing so out comes the gun. the guy shouldn't of started something he couldn't finish on his own.

That's what I saw as well. If the kids were driving dangerously, he should call the cops.. the danger to him was over once they passed him.

I'm not against guns, but that guy shouldn't have one if he can't control himself from pointing it around like a cockhead after loosing a fight he started.

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

how about the guy is sitting at the light minding his own biz with the wife and kid, 2 punks pull him out the car and start beating on him... okay to pull the gun then???

But that didn't happen now did it..

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

This is how i picture most gun nuts. Now they will go to jail...possibly losing custody of their child.

yes these people should be allowed to carry a life ending device....they obviously can make good decisions.

Don't start none, there won't be none. Some people are animals when they get behind the wheel. One time I didn't leave from a green light fast enough, and some guy acted like wanted to kill me. These are the kind of sociopath assholes you hope you're lucky enough to avoid on a daily basis, but sometimes you cross paths.

Most people who carry guns are scared of their own shadow. Why would they carry one in the first place? Your odds of shooting someone go up one thousand percent, and you're most likely going to be in jail for some time, not matter how it started or who was right.

[dyna mo]

i can't sort out the sound of gunfire either, i hear her say get the fuck off him from off camera, and right when he hits the ground there's a louder sounds, then she enters scene handling the weapon like it's just been fired. is that about right?

[crockett]

Originally Posted by Rochard

So when Martin punched Zimmerman it's considered life threatening, but when two kids smack around an older man it's... Just a fist fight?

I don't see the difference between the two. Both were fist fights.

In this video the guy whom pulled the gun attacked first and the two kids beat him up. However they backed of once he hit the ground and walked away.

With Zimmerman we don't truly know who started it, however we do know Martin stayed on top of him and continued to hit Zimmerman.

That is the difference.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

it seems you are always willing to side with the older people and villianize the younger. i don't know if the gun went off or what but the guy circled around and shot out the windows of their truck after the teens left it. that has nothing to do with self defense.

How was I siding with anyone? I said I did not hear a gunshot. After watching 3-4 times and taking into consideration the suggestion that the audio was not synched with the video I said that there may have been a shot.

I did not see him shoot out any windows in that video; no, I did not bother reading the story . . . I did now . . . I wonder if the chick is who fired it.

But where did I ever take sides in this?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

This is how i picture most gun nuts.

Nice generalization.

[dyna mo]

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Much of it was caught on a cell phone camera by a passenger in the back seat of the pickup truck that Turner said ran him off the road. In the video, lawmen say Turner walked up to the driver and a fight quickly began.

Deputies say the video shows Christy Turner getting out of their vehicle with a handgun at which time the fight ends. She handed the handgun to her husband, who then is seen pointing it at the other men.

Deputies say what's not seen on the video is the husband firing several rounds into the pickup truck as he left.



http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/C...199787001.html

[crockett]

Originally Posted by tonyparra

This guy got beat way worse than Zimmerman.

The prosecutors say he fired the weapon. I believe it discharged when he cocked it.

That's what I think.. It didn't look like he ment to fire it, looked like a accidental discharge however he and his wife are at fault accident or not because they pulled the gun.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Nice generalization.

key words NUTS...lol

i have many friends with guns...but thankfully none of them are nuts


i dont imagine you would ever chase down some kids and pull a handgun on them either

[crockett]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

:::::


Much of it was caught on a cell phone camera by a passenger in the back seat of the pickup truck that Turner said ran him off the road. In the video, lawmen say Turner walked up to the driver and a fight quickly began.

Deputies say the video shows Christy Turner getting out of their vehicle with a handgun at which time the fight ends. She handed the handgun to her husband, who then is seen pointing it at the other men.

Deputies say what's not seen on the video is the husband firing several rounds into the pickup truck as he left.



http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/C...199787001.html

If that guy shot as they were fleeing as the later info stats then he should be charged with attempted murder.

Both should be charged with felonies so they can never legally own a gun again. These are the types of morons that shouldn't have the right to bear arms.

[Zarathustra]

Looks like they are both at fault. You can't even see what's happening outside the camera view when he fires the gun though (this will help him) cause he could've been in danger

Also the kids will get sued and lose cause it was clearly excessive. For example if you push someone they can't exactly beat you down. Same with if someone beats you up, you can't exactly kill them (after the fact).

Even extreme cases worse then this eg. 4 guys vs 1 guy - the excessive guy lost in civil case like Bernhard Goetz.

You can see for sure the kids were excessive, but you don't know for sure 100% the old guy was excessive

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

key words NUTS...lol

i have many friends with guns...but thankfully none of them are nuts


i dont imagine you would ever chase down some kids and pull a handgun on them either

True ?..

The idiot was in the wrong the minute he started a physical altercation without being in immediate danger himself. The traffic problem was obviously over. If I pulled over and beat people every time I got cut-off on my motorcycle I would be the nations biggest serial killer by now.

Also never throw a pussy first punch. If you start something it should end quickly not be the catalyst for an ass whipping.

.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Looks like they are both at fault. You can't even see what's happening outside the camera view when he fires the gun though (this will help him) cause he could've been in danger

Also the kids will get sued and lose cause it was clearly excessive. For example if you push someone they can't exactly beat you down. Same with if someone beats you up, you can't exactly kill them (after the fact).

Even extreme cases worse then this eg. 4 guys vs 1 guy - the excessive guy lost in civil case like Bernhard Goetz.

You can see for sure the kids were excessive, but you don't know for sure 100% the old guy was excessive

The old guy started it; the younger guys have not done anything wrong in that video.

[huey]

That's why you boot fuck a clown like that till he is snoring. Takes the gun out of play.

[Zarathustra]

Originally Posted by baddog

The old guy started it; the younger guys have not done anything wrong in that video.

they did though, cause they beat him up. All he did was throw a wimpy push punch (probably to try and act tough) but definitely when you throw a push punch at 2-3 guys one can argue that you're not intending to knock all 3 guys out with it. You can see what they did was clearly excessive in retaliation to what he did (with the push punch).

And perhaps shooting at the kids was excessive to the beatdown he got. But its hard to say cause the kids ran back to the car and you don't know if they were going to go grab something or not because its off camera

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

they did though, cause they beat him up. All he did was throw a wimpy push punch (probably to try and act tough) but definitely when you throw a push punch at 2-3 guys one can argue that you're not intending to knock all 3 guys out with it. You can see what they did was clearly excessive in retaliation to what he did (with the push punch).

And perhaps shooting at the kids was excessive to the beatdown he got. But its hard to say cause the kids ran back to the car and you don't know if they were going to go grab something or not because its off camera

To be honest, I really do not know what the law says when you have the issue of guy one attacking guy two with guy three deciding he needs to get involved. If guy one had not brought the gun into play it is possible guy three might be charged with assault. Tough call, but since guy one was the aggressor it is kind of his problem.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

Looks like they are both at fault. You can't even see what's happening outside the camera view when he fires the gun though (this will help him) cause he could've been in danger

Also the kids will get sued and lose cause it was clearly excessive. For example if you push someone they can't exactly beat you down. Same with if someone beats you up, you can't exactly kill them (after the fact).

Even extreme cases worse then this eg. 4 guys vs 1 guy - the excessive guy lost in civil case like Bernhard Goetz.

You can see for sure the kids were excessive, but you don't know for sure 100% the old guy was excessive

in my opinion, if someone comes swinging at you, its your right to physically take them down without the use of lethal force. i will add that it seems those kids took the opportunity of someone coming at them to lay a beatdown they probably didn't need to go as far as they did but they didn't even knock him so it couldn't of been that brutal. thing is, how do you know after that pussy punch that the guy wouldn't of pulled out a gun. you have some loose cannon come up to your vehicle, punch you and you don't know whats next.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by baddog

How was I siding with anyone? I said I did not hear a gunshot. After watching 3-4 times and taking into consideration the suggestion that the audio was not synched with the video I said that there may have been a shot.

I did not see him shoot out any windows in that video; no, I did not bother reading the story . . . I did now . . . I wonder if the chick is who fired it.

But where did I ever take sides in this?

my apologies, it just seemed like you didn't even want to take into consideration that the older guy fired a shot. i was wrong.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

my apologies, it just seemed like you didn't even want to take into consideration that the older guy fired a shot. i was wrong.

Even if he had not fired a shot, he was wrong for pulling the gun; they were retreating. See, this is where the audio is weird or his wife [accidentally?] discharged it before handing it to him.

Actually, just watched it two more times and I don't know if that first noise is a shot or not. He was pretty dumb approaching a truck that had at least three people in it.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Rochard

So when Martin punched Zimmerman it's considered life threatening, but when two kids smack around an older man it's... Just a fist fight?

I don't see the difference between the two. Both were fist fights.

Zimmerman has stated that he did not shoot Martin because he was in a fist fight...or was on the losing end of a fight. He has stated that when his jacket pulled up and Martin spotted his handgun and went for the gun...while uttering a threat to his life...that is when he beat Martin to the gun and then he shot him.