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Old 09-13-2013, 08:11 AM   #151
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re: the legality of mk77 firebombs:::::::::::

Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons, ?prohibits the use of incendiary weapons against military forces located within concentrations of civilians ? as was the case with the insurgents in Falluja.? But, noted the Financial Times, ?The US is party to the convention but, unlike a number of its allies, including the UK, it has not signed Protocol III.?[12]
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Old 09-13-2013, 08:16 AM   #152
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Hi Vendzilla,

CS is Chlorobenzylidene Malononitrile, or Tear Gas and is used for crowd control. It's visible and looks yellow. It causes tears, pain and sometimes even blindness. Dangerous and bad for you but generally considered non-lethal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tear_gas

Sarin gas is considered a Weapon of Mass Destruction. It's colorless and odourless and is extremely lethal even at very low concentrations. It kills you in less than 1 minute. If you inhale it, you suffocate because it causes muscle paralysis in your lungs. The attack in Syria was intentional and killed over 1000 people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin

President Clinton did not order an "all-out military assault". The 51 day standoff ended when the FBI used tear gas to get the Davidians's out. A FIRE killed 76 or so people, not the gas. The intention was to end the standoff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

Comparing that actions of Clinton during Waco to Assad (or whoever is responsible for the gas attacks) in Syria way off base.

Instead of trying to blame Clinton for anything close to what is going on now, consider Ronald Reagan. He & Rumsfeld sold Chemical weapons to Iraq during the Iran - Iraq war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ran?Ira q_war

The U.S. government never sold chemical weapons to Iraq...ever...period. In fact no American weapons were supplied to Iraq. Russia was the largest supplier of weapons to Iraq but the Germans and French also supplied some weapons.

Some dual use materials were sold to Iraq by American companies and when the Government found out that Iraq was weaponizing them the U.S. Government ordered American companies to cease and desist on the sales of these dual use materials and most companies abided by this order but some did not and paid a consequence for not doing so.
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Old 09-13-2013, 08:19 AM   #153
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3 pages into this and decades later, the gfy physicist has to set the record straight on waco by quoting wiki.

this doesn't really do much for your claim as gfy brainiac.
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Hi Vendzilla,

CS is Chlorobenzylidene Malononitrile, or Tear Gas and is used for crowd control. It's visible and looks yellow. It causes tears, pain and sometimes even blindness. Dangerous and bad for you but generally considered non-lethal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tear_gas

Sarin gas is considered a Weapon of Mass Destruction. It's colorless and odourless and is extremely lethal even at very low concentrations. It kills you in less than 1 minute. If you inhale it, you suffocate because it causes muscle paralysis in your lungs. The attack in Syria was intentional and killed over 1000 people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin

President Clinton did not order an "all-out military assault". The 51 day standoff ended when the FBI used tear gas to get the Davidians's out. A FIRE killed 76 or so people, not the gas. The intention was to end the standoff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

Comparing that actions of Clinton during Waco to Assad (or whoever is responsible for the gas attacks) in Syria way off base.

Instead of trying to blame Clinton for anything close to what is going on now, consider Ronald Reagan. He & Rumsfeld sold Chemical weapons to Iraq during the Iran - Iraq war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ran?Ira q_war

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Hi Vendzilla,

CS is Chlorobenzylidene Malononitrile, or Tear Gas and is used for crowd control. It's visible and looks yellow. It causes tears, pain and sometimes even blindness. Dangerous and bad for you but generally considered non-lethal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tear_gas

Sarin gas is considered a Weapon of Mass Destruction. It's colorless and odourless and is extremely lethal even at very low concentrations. It kills you in less than 1 minute. If you inhale it, you suffocate because it causes muscle paralysis in your lungs. The attack in Syria was intentional and killed over 1000 people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarin

President Clinton did not order an "all-out military assault". The 51 day standoff ended when the FBI used tear gas to get the Davidians's out. A FIRE killed 76 or so people, not the gas. The intention was to end the standoff. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

Comparing that actions of Clinton during Waco to Assad (or whoever is responsible for the gas attacks) in Syria way off base.

Instead of trying to blame Clinton for anything close to what is going on now, consider Ronald Reagan. He & Rumsfeld sold Chemical weapons to Iraq during the Iran - Iraq war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...211;Ira q_war

You need to read the whole thread

Congress came to the conclusion that using CS gas in a confined area when children were present was well, FUCKED UP.

I never compared Sarin gas to CS gas, what I did say is using CS gas in a confined area with children involved is not something our country should ever do and I stand by that.

The conclusion of the Cato institute and the conclusion of congress was that the tactics that the ATF and FBI are largely responsible for the deaths of many of the Branch Davidians. By breaking down walls and blocking escape of many of the Davidians and disorientating them with CS gas lead to there deaths


It's pretty simple to me because of my training on a Submarine. If you are in a closed area, even the use of a sponge is not permitted because they give off fumes and what ever is in a closed space in the air is what you breathe. So using mass amounts of CS gas, more than any other conflict in US history on US citizens is the work of idiots that didn't care about human life!
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you don't know how to read. it's not napalm, the link states that and that's not even the point. my point was it was used in iraq, that's 50 years after viet nam and i had even posted info about us lying about it.

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I don't know how to read English?

The opening sentence says napalm:
Both the UK and US authorities now admit that the napalm-type weapon known as the ?MK77 firebomb? was used during the invasion of Iraq.

The entire page references napalm 62 times.
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I don't know how to read English?

The opening sentence says napalm:
Both the UK and US authorities now admit that the napalm-type weapon known as the ?MK77 firebomb? was used during the invasion of Iraq.

The entire page references napalm 62 times.
you can search the article or you can read it. the article is about how the military claims mk77 firebombs are NOT napalm.

try reading it instead of scanning for a word to try and prove some sort of point that really is not a point to begin with.
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You need to read the whole thread

Congress came to the conclusion that using CS gas in a confined area when children were present was well, FUCKED UP.
That's not what the report says at all. The report says that CS was dispersed over a large area in a building that was well ventilated, poorly constructed, and that most of the CS gas never affected the people inside.

The people inside didn't die from CS gas, they died from head wounds, gun shot wounds, being stabbed, or from a fire they themselves set.

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I never compared Sarin gas to CS gas, what I did say is using CS gas in a confined area with children involved is not something our country should ever do and I stand by that.
The name of the thread is "Why didn't other countries get pissed when we used gas on civilians?". You are implying that the US gasses it's citizens, comparing Waco - a police action during a standoff in which police officers were shot and killed - to a military action that randomly targeted civilians.

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The conclusion of the Cato institute and the conclusion of congress was that the tactics that the ATF and FBI are largely responsible for the deaths of many of the Branch Davidians. By breaking down walls and blocking escape of many of the Davidians and disorientating them with CS gas lead to there deaths
That is not true at all. The report says they were able to leave at any time, and the only thing preventing them from leaving was the fire. The fire they had set themselves.
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Yeah, I posted this here in this thread already
https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19792942&postcount=61

Cato institute and Congress both agree the ATF and the FBI screwed this up badly.
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https://gfy.com/showpost.php?p=19792942&postcount=61

Cato institute and Congress both agree the ATF and the FBI screwed this up badly.
was hoping peeps would actually watch it this time.

regardless of the silly argument this has digressed to, the op is valid, one only needs to do a goog search for "syria waco' 1.8million results.

the fact is the media can and has latched on to this as hypocritical action of the usa

https://www.google.com/search?q=syri...ome& ie=UTF-8
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was hoping peeps would actually watch it this time.

regardless of the silly argument this has digressed to, the op is valid, one only needs to do a goog search for "syria waco' 1.8million results.

the fact is the media can and has latched on to this as hypocritical action of the usa

https://www.google.com/search?q=syri...ome& ie=UTF-8
update: now About 1,960,000 results


trending.
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I just read this and I think it really hits the nail on the head about what Barry is doing with Syria.

We don?t know whether the Syrian government used chemical weapons on its own people who may or may not have been combatants in its civil war. But we do know that the government of Syria ? like all governments ? has a natural right to defend itself from violent attacks by terrorist groups. We also know that the U.S. used chemical weapons to kill hundreds of Vietcong soldiers in South Vietnam in 1965 and used them as well to kill 76 Americans in Waco, Texas, where federal agents murdered peaceful religious fanatics, including their children, in 1993. Can you imagine the response if another country sought to use violence to punish the Clinton administration for that?

What have we here?

We have a president heedless of his duty to uphold the Constitution by keeping the government within its confines, disdainful of international law when it fails to suit his purposes, and contemptuous of a Congress he once controlled when it feels the heat from the American people who have had enough of being lied to and tricked into wars. The American people have come to realize that war is the mother?s milk of big government: It kills innocents, increases taxes or borrowing, diminishes personal freedom and unleashes irrational fears and hatreds, and the government continues to grow.

While all of this has been consuming us, the federal debt is approaching $17 trillion, and Obama wants to borrow another trillion; the NSA has been exposed as spying on every computer and every mobile phone in the country for the past two years at the insistence of the Obama administration; and the fiscal bankruptcy of Obamacare is now just below the horizon.

Does the president really expect the American people to approve his bombing and killing just to avoid his personal embarrassment? Or is it his professional incompetence he wants to hide?


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/chemical-...WCx7R1zAgVO.99
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