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Old 10-25-2013, 11:11 PM   #51
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When I built my first computer, I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. You know how I solved that problem? I RTFM'd (Read The Fucking Manual). It is only "difficult" for people to understand because most people are too lazy to try and learn anything for themselves.
So I assume you do complete brake jobs on your car? Change out injectors, do tune ups, change the oil, replace front end parts ……. ? Or is this somehow different? If you don't do ALL the above is it for the reasons you listed?

And just because I choose to buy a finished product and have zero interest in building my own doesn't make me lazy or stupid. It just means I have no interest, just like you probably have no interest in auto repair.


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Old 10-25-2013, 11:21 PM   #52
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I realize what I said...i did say it.
I know how to build a computer most people don't. So it makes sense.
I had no technical knowledge when I built my first PC. I was actually told by a friend that building your own PC was better than buying one off the shelf, and cheaper. So I ordered the parts, read the manuals - every single component you can buy that's worth buying has a pretty in-depth manual - and put it together. It wasn't until after that that I became intrigued and started focusing on the technical aspects. And even now, I don't know everything, for instance, my knowledge in overclocking is pretty limited.

The fact of the matter is though, building a pc is not rocket science. No one is suggesting that people should design their own hardware, like your failed Ferrari analogy suggests. PC hardware can, for the most part, only be plugged in one way; screw holes lines up a certain way, etc.

all building a PC takes is a little reading and learning, again, it's not rock science. he problem though is, some people are simply too lazy to read and learn, which is why companies like Apple can come along and milk every dollar they can out of you buy selling you and overall inferior product as compared to what else is available on the market for less.

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You are saying a average person with a non tech background is lazy cause they don't learn how to build a computer? That just dumb. Dude
I'm talkimg real world not tech geeks.
I'm saying the average person with no tech background coming along and trying to declare that something they know nothing about is better than something else they know nothing about are complete and utter morons. All 99% of Mac fanboys know about is what they read in the advertisements.

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Also I didn't say Hyundai that would be stupid.
I said a skilled mechanic could build an equally fast car but its takes a lot of time , experience and it's likely not going to be as a visually pleasing and mising a few other key items like the apple package amd its just not an option for non geeks....
You are still suggesting that a Mac is comparable to a Ferrari and a PC is comparable to something less, and that argument failed then, and it fails now.

Simply put, if Macs and OS X were truly superior to everything else, then why do MOST people still buy PCs with Windows? Regardless of the market, PC/Windows controls more of it than anyone else.
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So I assume you do complete brake jobs on your car? Change out injectors, do tune ups, change the oil, replace front end parts ??. ? Or is this somehow different? If you don't do ALL the above is it for the reasons you listed?
Actually, yes, I do most of my car maintenance myself. If it's something I don't have the tools for, I take it somewhere who does. But, once again, comparing cars to computers is completely irrelevant, no matter what the purported argument is.

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And just because I choose to buy a finished product and have zero interest in building my own doesn't make me lazy or stupid.
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I have no issue with you choosing to buy your Mac, just as you should have no issue with me buying my faster PC for a lot less and installing OS X on it.

What I take issue with is people who swear up and down that Mac is better than PC when they have no fucking clue as to what they are talking about. And if you, or any other Apple Logo fanboy actually knew shit about anything, the very last argument you would be trying to make is that Macs have better hardware, when it has been proven time and time again that they, in fact, use all the same hardware components as their PC counterparts.

So yes, to those of you who know jack shit about computers, hardware or software that come trying to argue that something you know fuck all about is better than something else you know fuck all about, then I consider you a complete fucking moron.
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Actually, yes, I do most of my car maintenance myself. If it's something I don't have the tools for, I take it somewhere who does. But, once again, comparing cars to computers is completely irrelevant, no matter what the purported argument is.


I have no issue with you choosing to buy your Mac, just as you should have no issue with me buying my faster PC for a lot less and installing OS X on it.

What I take issue with is people who swear up and down that Mac is better than PC when they have no fucking clue as to what they are talking about. And if you, or any other Apple Logo fanboy actually knew shit about anything, the very last argument you would be trying to make is that Macs have better hardware, when it has been proven time and time again that they, in fact, use all the same hardware components as their PC counterparts.

So yes, to those of you who know jack shit about computers, hardware or software that come trying to argue that something you know fuck all about is better than something else you know fuck all about, then I consider you a complete fucking moron.

I really don't understand the hate and hostility in your comments.

Back in the late 90's when I first started using computers getting a system to run photoshop and video editing was impossible until I got an apple system. The mac did everything I needed perfectly.

To me a computer is just a tool, a means to an end. Over the last 15 plus years they have worked flawlessly for me. Why would I change? When I need or want a new computer I naturally go with what has always worked for me. I would be foolish not to.

To call me a "complete fucking moron" for being a satisfied customer of a product is pathetic ??


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Old 10-25-2013, 11:46 PM   #55
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Yes ok ur right. Macs are overpriced because u can personally build one for cheaper. Kudos. and everyone who buys one is lazy cause the dont learn to build a computer by hand.
When you have no actual knowledge of what comes in a PC or a MAc then yes, I consider you an idiot and absolutely consider you lazy when you sit here and try to argue that one is better than the other. Your arguments are incorrect, invalid and completely irrelevant when it comes down to the simple fact that you clearly have no knowledge in the difference between a PC's Intel Core i7 and a Mac's Intel Core i7.

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Personally I'd rather spend my time makimg money than playing lego with my computer hardware and getting the blue neons with liquid cooling.
Sorry if you're forced to spend all your time working and have no time for hobbies, or otherwise personal enjoyments in life.

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ur most popular os argument nlah blah.
Another fact you cannot dispute so you choose to ignore it.
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I guarantee you at least 50 percent of Microsoft users had the money they would buy an Apple.
At least show me some form of proof when trying to make such a bold claim.

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Apple is the richest company in the world for a reason amd I guess its got nothing to do with the entire package that apple offers and it's because all apple users hate the ecosystem , feel apple ripped them off and they are just too lazy to build a custom pc.
You clearly aren't paying attention are you? Apple is slowly but surely losing it's market share in the mobile world, which is where they made, and continue to make the vast majority of their money.

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Android smartphone shipments grew a whopping 73.5 percent between the second quarter of 2012 and Q2 2013, according to research firm IDC?s latest numbers. 187.4 million Android-powered phones shipped in the most recent quarter, representing 79.3 percent of all smartphones shipped during the quarter. The next closest smartphone platform was iOS, which shipped just 31.2 million units, accounting for 13.2 percent of overall share.
http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/07/and...lides-per-idc/
Like Samsung says, "The next big thing is already here".
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I really don't understand the hate and hostility in your comments.

Back in the late 90's when I first started using computers getting a system to run photoshop and video editing was impossible until I got an apple system. The mac did everything I needed perfectly.

To me a computer is just a tool, a means to an end. Over the last 15 plus years they have worked flawlessly for me. Why would I change? When I need or want a new computer I naturally go with what has always worked for me. I would be foolish not to.

To call me a "complete fucking moron" for being a satisfied customer of a product is pathetic ……
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I think you misunderstand my position here.

You think Mac is better because you like it better. And I cannot, nor will not, nor have i tried to argue with that. If you choose to like one thing over another then it's your choice. Just like it's your choice to pay more for something and get less out of it. I will however, use facts in an attempt to enlighten you on what you're really paying for (the logo).

I'm talking to those people - and you included if you've tried to - who try to declare as fact that Macs are better than PCs when in fact they know nothing about either one. People who do this are morons, they're uninformed and unintelligent. Especially those arguing nonsense like "superior hardware" and attempting to use foolish "Mac = Ferrari, PC = Hyundai" comparisons.

I am also simply trying to inform and educate people about the actual differences (like in my first or second reply in this thread when I broke down my system and what it really took to install OS X on it).

If you're going to get involved in a debate, then you sure as shit should know what you're talking about, otherwise you will be labeled as a moron.
If you have no interest in a debate and offer up nothing more than "I buy Mac because I like Mac" then I'm not really talking to you in the first place.

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If you're going to get involved in a debate, then you sure as shit should know what you're talking about, otherwise you will be labeled as a moron.
If you have no interest in a debate and offer up nothing more than "I buy Mac because I like Mac" then I'm not really talking to you in the first place.
When it comes to photoshop and video editing mac's have always been better. Moron.


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When it comes to photoshop and video editing mac's have always been better. Moron.


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Funny, Photoshop works equally well in both windows and mac for me. There is no discernible difference between the 2 except for keyboard shortcuts, and that has zero to do with anything other than Mac and Windows being different platforms with different uses of modifier keys.

Video editing mac vs video editing in PC. I seriously hope you're not trying to suggest that Final Cut X is better than anything else available for either Mac, or PC? That would be laughable. I had Final Cut Pro 7, have Final Cut X and have the Adobe CC suite and while Premiere Pro vs Final Cut 7 might be a toss up, Final Cut X doesn't even come close.

Moron.

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Windows doesn't even come with a built in terminal and when you install Putty control and escape keys don't quite work the same. Windows is bloatware and still hasn't gotten process control right.

Do Windows boxes run XCode ? No ? Game over.
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No argument there, one of the main reasons I run OS X is because of the terminal. It's something Windows will never have, because, quite simply, Windows is not derived or based upon Unix. So to be fair, the only reason OS X has a terminal is because it's Unix with a nice GUI.

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Incorrect. Individual manufacturers put that bloatware crap in. It can also be removed. I wish they wouldn't put that junk in to begin with but it is what it is.

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If you have to find reasons not to buy a Macbook Pro over an Asus. The Macbook Pro isn't for you.

And frankly no one gives a fuck.
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Consider all the extra revenue you could have generated for your business by using the same time you wasted here discussing this never ending debate.
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Wow why is it some people get all worked up about someone saying anything about a consumer product?

Its like some of you invented it, why take things so personal?

I have a mac, we have 4 iphones in our family and 3 ipads. We also have 3 windows pc/laptops.

If someone tells me apple is crap, or a pc is crap i just laugh. If domeone calls me an apple fanboy i dont really care. They can argue all day long about specs but in the end it comes down to the person using it. If he/she likes it, even when he/she tells me its way better when its not, why get all worked up about it?
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Consider all the extra revenue you could have generated for your business by using the same time you wasted here discussing this never ending debate.
I don't spend every hour or minute of my day working, because I don't have to. Sorry if you do.
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Wow why is it some people get all worked up about someone saying anything about a consumer product?

Its like some of you invented it, why take things so personal?

I have a mac, we have 4 iphones in our family and 3 ipads. We also have 3 windows pc/laptops.

If someone tells me apple is crap, or a pc is crap i just laugh. If domeone calls me an apple fanboy i dont really care. They can argue all day long about specs but in the end it comes down to the person using it. If he/she likes it, even when he/she tells me its way better when its not, why get all worked up about it?
I'm not worked up in the least. As far as why people - like myself - bother to get into these debates... I'm passionate about technology and pretty much everything to do with computers. Therefore, I don't mind giving facts, sharing opinions or even getting involved in debates.

When it comes right down to it, I don't particularly care what OS, hardware or otherwise that people choose to use, or like better. I will, however, interject and attempt to inform - or otherwise ridicule - people who try to declare as fact something of which they have absolutely no actual knowledge whatsoever about.

Look at it this way. Say you're a firing range instructor and you're trying to explain the proper way to hold a handgun. I simply flat out refuse to listen and maintain the absolute position that holding a handgun sideways is the proper way to hold it "because it's better", even though I have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever about firearms. You would likely try to explain it a few times, eventually you'd want to slap me upside the back of my head if I refused to admit my ignorance on the matter; and maintained that I am right and you are wrong, even though countless facts have proven me wrong over and over again.

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So much hostility every post? Im glad im not in the adult field of work haha. See myself calling every possible mac loving client a moron. Would be at my chiefs desk in 5 minutes packing my sandwiches to go home and never return meh.
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I'm not worked up in the least. As far as why people - like myself - bother to get into these debates... I'm passionate about technology and pretty much everything to do with computers. Therefore, I don't mind giving facts, sharing opinions or even getting involved in debates.

When it comes right down to it, I don't particularly care what OS, hardware or otherwise that people choose to use, or like better. I will, however, interject and attempt to inform - or otherwise ridicule - people who try to declare as fact something of which they have absolutely no clue about.
Ok. I understand that part. But why? What do you gain from it? And why so hostile?

I dont know you so please know im not knocking you. But from the posts in this thread alone i would think you are a very aggresive guy. Try to debate it a bit more civilized?

Again, no harsh feelings but from what im reading (internet can do that) i would be hesitant to do business with you.
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So much hostility every post? Im glad im not in the adult field of work haha. See myself calling every possible mac loving client a moron. Would be at my chiefs desk in 5 minutes packing my sandwiches to go home and never return meh.
Well, first and foremost, I don't have a boss. Secondly, see below.

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Ok. I understand that part. But why? What do you gain from it? And why so hostile?

I dont know you so please know im not knocking you. But from the posts in this thread alone i would think you are a very aggresive guy. Try to debate it a bit more civilized?

Again, no harsh feelings but from what im reading (internet can do that) i would be hesitant to do business with you.
I'm not hostile, just blunt and direct. And for the record, I have no qualm with people loving their Macs, choosing Mac over PC, or otherwise. I mean, I do run OS X exclusively on a machine I built specifically to fully support and run OS X after all. And again, the only thing my "Hack" doesn't do is come with the Apple warranty or logo. All my components have warranties though so...

I only get "hostile" when certain completely ignorant people do everything in their limited power to assert something as fact when in fact they don't know what the hell they are talking about. And it's really not hostility at all, I'm simply relaying to those people what I think of them.

And to be honest, I don't really care for people spreading misinformation. Sure, it doesn't affect me one way or another when they do, but it does annoy me. In every argument I make, debate I get involved in, or otherwise, I try my damnedest to come with facts and present them as such, keeping my opinions discernibly separate.

So when people come along talking about how much greater Mac hardware is than PC hardware is -- for example -- then I am first going to try to explain to them how it is in fact, not. And then if they refuse to listen to reason and blatantly ignore facts, I'll inform them they are morons.

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Ok vd so then tell me all things considered What computer out of the box is better than the new mac? Pls prce our a mac amd windows machine custom build ad post graba

Also stop pls talking about building fuking computer its not relevant. Normal people in this world don't!

Wimdow is popular cause it faimed market share eaelier.

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I'm not saying the hardware in mac is proprietary and better but quality is better that lots of shoddy companies rhat maken windows machines and .... just overall where most people buy their machines macs have been cooler and better for a long time imo.
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Mac v dell out of the box. And notice the pics of the guts if you cant notice the major difference there you are too biased.

Http://hothardware.com/m/Reviews/Is-...lt.aspx?page=4
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Mac pro guts are are art where dell looks like I made it myself.
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Wow why is it some people get all worked up about someone saying anything about a consumer product?
That is the difference between normal computer users and fan boys. Fan boys go to bat for their team. Everyone else uses whatever they bought and doesn't worry about it.
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Wow why is it some people get all worked up about someone saying anything about a consumer product?
i recently bought and received a video game on the day it was released. it was loaded with bugs including a support link that was 404, so i googleds the official forum, created an account and posted a thread stating the issues and was flamed by many many fanatics, including a mod.



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Ok vd so then tell me all things considered What computer out of the box is better than the new mac? Pls prce our a mac amd windows machine custom build ad post graba

Also stop pls talking about building fuking computer its not relevant. Normal people in this world don't!
I'm not entirely sure what you actually said but here you go:
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The Mac operating system predates Windows by nearly two years. However, the hardware platform known as the PC (uneducated people refer to Windows and "PC" as though they were synonymous) predates the Mac hardware platform by three years.

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http://hothardware.com/articleimages...ody-inside.jpg

Mac pro guts are are art where dell looks like I made it myself.
I don't recall ever arguing that the Mac Chassis' aren't visually appealing. I mean, my Bitfenix Prodigy case more or less replicates what a mini mac pro would look like (if it were black). But, visually appealing as they may be, Macs have the same hardware inside as PCs do. And this has been my point from the very beginning. Guys like you simply cannot accept this fact though and create a huge debate, perhaps it's because you need to justify to yourself why you spent more for your intel processor than I did mine.

Intel, Nvidia, ATI, Samsung, Foxconn. None of those companies make superior product lines specifically for Mac, nor do they make inferior product lines specifically for PC.

The only difference between an Intel cpu in a Mac and an Intel cpu in a PC is the price Apple charges you. Same thing for memory, HDD/SSD and graphics.

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I'm not entirely sure what you actually said but here you go:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2372609,00.asp
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817...obref=obinsite
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817...obref=obinsite



The Mac operating system predates Windows by nearly two years. However, the hardware platform known as the PC (uneducated people refer to Windows and "PC" as though they were synonymous) predates the Mac hardware platform by three years.




I don't recall ever arguing that the Mac Chassis' aren't visually appealing. I mean, my Bitfenix Prodigy case more or less replicates what a mini mac pro would look like (if it were black). But, visually appealing as they may be, Macs have the same hardware inside as PCs do.

Intel, Nvidia, ATI, Samsung, Foxconn. None of those companies make superior product lines specifically for Mac, nor do they make inferior product lines specifically for PC.

The only difference between an Intel cpu in a Mac and an Intel cpu in a PC is the price Apple charges you. Same thing for memory, HDD/SSD and graphics.
you simply refuse to see the basic point.
ITS NOT ALL ABOUT HARDWARE. ONLY A PERSON WHO BUILDS MACHINES WOULD THINK THAT AND MOST DONT.
if it was company that sold cheapest box of loose hardware would dominate.

i have mac and windows machines for specific purposes based on requirements and price nothing more.

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Macs are niche machines, but when comparing cost vs benefits, Microsoft based machines take over.
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When it comes to photoshop and video editing mac's have always been better. Moron.
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Maybe 10 years ago. Not these days.

Premiere and Avid are identical on either system.

I don't think that you are a moron, but that statement is pretty dumb at this point.
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Macs are niche machines, but when comparing cost vs benefits, Microsoft based machines take over.
Why ?

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Mac v dell out of the box. And notice the pics of the guts if you cant notice the major difference there you are too biased.

Http://hothardware.com/m/Reviews/Is-...lt.aspx?page=4
Similar arguments in the comments on that page.
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Similar arguments in the comments on that page.
yea with so many pieces its a very debatable issue but some areas are not unless you are a fanboy in some form and refuse to see logic.
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Maybe 10 years ago. Not these days.

Premiere and Avid are identical on either system.

I don't think that you are a moron, but that statement is pretty dumb at this point.
A point I made earlier was at one time mac was the only way to go. For those of us that were forced to use a tool that actually worked for photoshop and video we became mac users.

I'm sure pc's have caught up maybe even passed mac's in some respects. But at one time they really sucked. Yea, I'm a loyal mac user because they have always worked. Why would I want to change?

vdbucks is a tech enthusiast, for him I'm sure a huge amount of knowledge goes into his decisions/beliefs. For me it's a lot simpler, computers are a tool that goes under my desk so I can work on the things I enjoy, photos/video. I would be a moron to switch from something that has always worked for me.

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yea with so many pieces its a very debatable issue but some areas are not unless you are a fanboy in some form and refuse to see logic.
Like those who think things are infinitely better than something else made with the same parts, because it has an Apple logo on it.
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A point I made earlier was at one time mac was the only way to go. For those of us that were forced to use a tool that actually worked for photoshop and video we became mac users.

I'm sure pc's have caught up maybe even passed mac's in some respects. But at one time they really sucked. Yea, I'm a loyal mac user because they have always worked. Why would I want to change?

vdbucks is a tech enthusiast, for him I'm sure a huge amount of knowledge goes into his decisions/beliefs. For me it's a lot simpler, computers are a tool that goes under my desk so I can work on the things I enjoy, photos/video. I would be a moron to switch.

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When I started, Quiet and I were the only two folks on the board running Macs, and talking them up. I had 2 iMacs and a G3, then a Quicksilver G4. The arguments here were the exact opposite then. It been funny to see people change their opinions. Mostly because they drank the kool aid themselves.

That said, Macs haven't been better in those things you mentioned since the era I'm referring too. The PowerMac era 10+ years ago.
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for all you tech geeks talking about building ur machine why don't you go bake all your bread cause you could probably do it cheaper and make it taste better.

and since there's people that know how to bake everyone who doesn't do it is getting ripped off and is lazy and stupid
Wrong comparison, because you don't have to build them yourself. You can even simply order any of the already built ones. On top of that you can order built one according to your specs. So the correct comparison would be that you order bread cooked to your requirements (eg . I would like something added to that bread, please).
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I personally chose a Macbook Pro over others because of build quality and the OS being Unix based.... 3 years on though I am looking for something new... this Core 2 Duo is not cutting it anymore.... chances are I will opt for another Macbook Pro though.
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apple= for sheeps who want to improve/impress (who ? other idiots ?) and overpay.
like someone said - "you should be honored that you have privilege to overpay for mac".
and later these people think that they have some kind of unique masterpiece in their hands ("as it costs that much, it has to be super")


same goes with Apple mp3/mp4 players
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Vdfucks so based on what you said its cheaper to build your own machine to run the superior mac osx ....that windows gets more viruses because it's the most popular in the world , Windows is bloatware because manufacturers make it that way and apple has clearly better design.

Those general words are from your mouth .... and you cant understand why people say mac is a better environment and subsequently that those reasons give apple the ability to charge a premium and people happily pay umless they are build their own machines or don't have the extra $ to spend.

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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=US&ie=UTF-8&source=android-browser&q=apple+wins+design+award

Maybe apple customer feel the have the best cause apple makes great products and is undoubtly one of the best if not the best product designers in existance today.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/apple...y-award-2013-1!

Oh apple won a few emmys they r so lame.... the voting panel must be fanboys.

Seems igot the last word so by gfy forum rules. I win.. suck it!
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Vdfucks so based on what you said its cheaper to build your own machine to run the superior mac osx ....that windows gets more viruses because it's the most popular in the world , Windows is bloatware because manufacturers make it that way and apple has clearly better design.

Those general words are from your mouth .... and you cant understand why people say mac is a better environment and subsequently that those reasons give apple the ability to charge a premium and people happily pay umless they are build their own machines or don't have the extra $ to spend.
I see that your reading comprehension is about as bad as your ability to write and form coherent sentences..

I never said OS X is a superior operating system. Nor did I say Windows is superior. Nor did I say Linux is superior. Nor did I say any of them are inferior. They are what they need to be for those who use them.

That doesn't change the fact though that Windows is the most widely used and popular operating system. It's used by more home, gaming and business users than any other OS. It's simply a fact. And since it's the most popular, it is also targeted more by hackers and people who write virus'.

OS X is more or less used by media professionals. Yes, these days, all the media creation programs work equally well on Windows as they do OS X, but as L-Pink has pointed out, there was a time when things really only worked well on OS X. And because of that, people stick to OS X in this regard. And that is perfectly normal and acceptable. Also, the more popular OS X becomes, the more people start using it over time, then the more it will become targeted by hackers and people who write virus'. Just because that isn't happening right now doesn't make OS X a superior operating system. It just makes it less popular and therefore less targeted.

*nix is for server usage. No other OS even comes close. If Adobe were to release their suite for *nix then I personally think that move, along with increased gaming support, would be what really stands a chance of knocking Windows off the top of the hill.

That is where i stand on the OS side of things.


Macs are pretty. I've never said otherwise. But that's it. Hardware wise though, there is nothing inside that makes them perform better than PCs. The hardware is the same. Hardware is the most important thing to me. And I don't find paying double or more for the same hardware in my PC just because Macs come in a pretty case to be worth it. And if I really wanted, I could buy myself a Mac Pro chassis online and put all my hardware in it. Also, not everyone finds Macs to be pretty, or visually appealing. It's all personal preference.

A pretty case also has absolutely no impact on the functionality.

A lot of PCs look bad ass. A lot of them look like garbage. That's just how things are. Doesn't make Macs better than PCs. PCs are more popular and widely used, therefore there are thousands upon thousands of different components made by hundreds of companies. Choice is power and choice is the reason the PC world will always reign as the most popular. This is not counting the mobile movement of course, Different market.

When it really comes down to it though, Macs are not better than PCs of the same caliber, nor are PCs better than Macs. The only real difference is price - and I'm not talking about or comparing the budget line of PCs - and I just don't see spending 2-3 times what I paid for my system to be worth it, when at the end of the day all you really get is a PC with an Apple logo and in an (arguably) pretty case.

If you think Macs are worth it, then by all means. Thats what works for you.

I personally find that building my machines myself is the best value for my money. I like knowing exactly what's inside of my system, that way if/when something goes wrong, I don't have to take it to some 3rd party place because I can do it myself in a fraction of the time. This is what works for me.

But don't sit here and try to proclaim that Macs have better hardware, are faster than PCs with equal specs, or that "Mac = Ferrari, PC= Hyundai" because it is, quite simply, factually incorrect.


Lastly, the operating system a machine runs on does not define the class architecture of a machine.
PC != Windows
Mac != OS X

In fact, there are 4 primary classifications: Personal Computer, Business Computer, Workstation, Server.

So, consumer level Macs are indeed Personal Computers, otherwise known as PC.
Business level Macs are indeed Business Computers.
The line between workstation and server these days is pretty thin, but the same remains for that class of computer. Workstation/Server level Macs are indeed that, Workstation/Server.

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And with that, I'm done with this conversation/debate because it's pretty clear at this point that you (American Psycho) are only about 13 years old and are incapable of writing a complete sentence, comprehending a single paragraph, or making a valid argument whatsoever.

Having a Mac doesn't magically make you smarter, or more educated. It just makes you a dumbass who owns a Mac.

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http://www.businessinsider.com/apple...y-award-2013-1!

Oh apple won a few emmys they r so lame.... the voting panel must be fanboys.

Seems igot the last word so by gfy forum rules. I win.. suck it!
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Macs

I have several Macs. Got them as a friend who did the Mac programming at Netopia (sp?) talked me in to trying one after I was bitching so much about my PC woes. Such as re-installing XP 10 times in one day as the drivers wouldn't work. When you reformat a Mac disk it's a total clean. In Windows about 5 MB is left behind and it's the 5 MB that's causing your problem.

I most programs Mac is better, but I run Parallels as my Windows Office 97 runs better the the MS Office 2011 for OS X version.

I used to work for one of the big 3 movie theatre chain. Everybody used PCs except the Graphic Arts & Design Department. They all used Macs. The manager told me that he and most of his team would quit if forced to use Macs.
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So for heavens sake, lets stop debating? There will always be apple fanboys and pc fanboys. The product is as good as the person using it.
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When it really comes down to it though, Macs are not better than PCs of the same caliber, nor are PCs better than Macs. The only real difference is price - and I'm not talking about or comparing the budget line of PCs - and I just don't see spending 2-3 times what I paid for my system to be worth it, when at the end of the day all you really get is a PC with an Apple logo and in an (arguably) pretty case.
Exactly. May i add an analogy to that? Some people buy a BMW for the looks and status, others buy a car with basically the same "ingredients" made by BMW but with a different brand. It doesnt make the beamer owner stupid, or the b-brand owner smart. If they are both happy with their product isnt that whats important?
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