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And just because I choose to buy a finished product and have zero interest in building my own doesn't make me lazy or stupid. It just means I have no interest, just like you probably have no interest in auto repair. . |
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The fact of the matter is though, building a pc is not rocket science. No one is suggesting that people should design their own hardware, like your failed Ferrari analogy suggests. PC hardware can, for the most part, only be plugged in one way; screw holes lines up a certain way, etc. all building a PC takes is a little reading and learning, again, it's not rock science. he problem though is, some people are simply too lazy to read and learn, which is why companies like Apple can come along and milk every dollar they can out of you buy selling you and overall inferior product as compared to what else is available on the market for less. Quote:
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Simply put, if Macs and OS X were truly superior to everything else, then why do MOST people still buy PCs with Windows? Regardless of the market, PC/Windows controls more of it than anyone else. |
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What I take issue with is people who swear up and down that Mac is better than PC when they have no fucking clue as to what they are talking about. And if you, or any other Apple Logo fanboy actually knew shit about anything, the very last argument you would be trying to make is that Macs have better hardware, when it has been proven time and time again that they, in fact, use all the same hardware components as their PC counterparts. So yes, to those of you who know jack shit about computers, hardware or software that come trying to argue that something you know fuck all about is better than something else you know fuck all about, then I consider you a complete fucking moron. |
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I really don't understand the hate and hostility in your comments. Back in the late 90's when I first started using computers getting a system to run photoshop and video editing was impossible until I got an apple system. The mac did everything I needed perfectly. To me a computer is just a tool, a means to an end. Over the last 15 plus years they have worked flawlessly for me. Why would I change? When I need or want a new computer I naturally go with what has always worked for me. I would be foolish not to. To call me a "complete fucking moron" for being a satisfied customer of a product is pathetic ?? . |
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You think Mac is better because you like it better. And I cannot, nor will not, nor have i tried to argue with that. If you choose to like one thing over another then it's your choice. Just like it's your choice to pay more for something and get less out of it. I will however, use facts in an attempt to enlighten you on what you're really paying for (the logo). I'm talking to those people - and you included if you've tried to - who try to declare as fact that Macs are better than PCs when in fact they know nothing about either one. People who do this are morons, they're uninformed and unintelligent. Especially those arguing nonsense like "superior hardware" and attempting to use foolish "Mac = Ferrari, PC = Hyundai" comparisons. I am also simply trying to inform and educate people about the actual differences (like in my first or second reply in this thread when I broke down my system and what it really took to install OS X on it). If you're going to get involved in a debate, then you sure as shit should know what you're talking about, otherwise you will be labeled as a moron. If you have no interest in a debate and offer up nothing more than "I buy Mac because I like Mac" then I'm not really talking to you in the first place. |
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Video editing mac vs video editing in PC. I seriously hope you're not trying to suggest that Final Cut X is better than anything else available for either Mac, or PC? That would be laughable. I had Final Cut Pro 7, have Final Cut X and have the Adobe CC suite and while Premiere Pro vs Final Cut 7 might be a toss up, Final Cut X doesn't even come close. Moron. |
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Windows doesn't even come with a built in terminal and when you install Putty control and escape keys don't quite work the same. Windows is bloatware and still hasn't gotten process control right.
Do Windows boxes run XCode ? No ? Game over. |
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No argument there, one of the main reasons I run OS X is because of the terminal. It's something Windows will never have, because, quite simply, Windows is not derived or based upon Unix. So to be fair, the only reason OS X has a terminal is because it's Unix with a nice GUI.
Incorrect. Individual manufacturers put that bloatware crap in. It can also be removed. I wish they wouldn't put that junk in to begin with but it is what it is. |
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If you have to find reasons not to buy a Macbook Pro over an Asus. The Macbook Pro isn't for you.
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Consider all the extra revenue you could have generated for your business by using the same time you wasted here discussing this never ending debate.
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Wow why is it some people get all worked up about someone saying anything about a consumer product?
Its like some of you invented it, why take things so personal? I have a mac, we have 4 iphones in our family and 3 ipads. We also have 3 windows pc/laptops. If someone tells me apple is crap, or a pc is crap i just laugh. If domeone calls me an apple fanboy i dont really care. They can argue all day long about specs but in the end it comes down to the person using it. If he/she likes it, even when he/she tells me its way better when its not, why get all worked up about it?
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When it comes right down to it, I don't particularly care what OS, hardware or otherwise that people choose to use, or like better. I will, however, interject and attempt to inform - or otherwise ridicule - people who try to declare as fact something of which they have absolutely no actual knowledge whatsoever about. Look at it this way. Say you're a firing range instructor and you're trying to explain the proper way to hold a handgun. I simply flat out refuse to listen and maintain the absolute position that holding a handgun sideways is the proper way to hold it "because it's better", even though I have absolutely no knowledge whatsoever about firearms. You would likely try to explain it a few times, eventually you'd want to slap me upside the back of my head if I refused to admit my ignorance on the matter; and maintained that I am right and you are wrong, even though countless facts have proven me wrong over and over again. |
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So much hostility every post? Im glad im not in the adult field of work haha. See myself calling every possible mac loving client a moron. Would be at my chiefs desk in 5 minutes packing my sandwiches to go home and never return meh.
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I dont know you so please know im not knocking you. But from the posts in this thread alone i would think you are a very aggresive guy. Try to debate it a bit more civilized? Again, no harsh feelings but from what im reading (internet can do that) i would be hesitant to do business with you.
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I only get "hostile" when certain completely ignorant people do everything in their limited power to assert something as fact when in fact they don't know what the hell they are talking about. And it's really not hostility at all, I'm simply relaying to those people what I think of them. And to be honest, I don't really care for people spreading misinformation. Sure, it doesn't affect me one way or another when they do, but it does annoy me. In every argument I make, debate I get involved in, or otherwise, I try my damnedest to come with facts and present them as such, keeping my opinions discernibly separate. So when people come along talking about how much greater Mac hardware is than PC hardware is -- for example -- then I am first going to try to explain to them how it is in fact, not. And then if they refuse to listen to reason and blatantly ignore facts, I'll inform them they are morons. |
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Ok vd so then tell me all things considered What computer out of the box is better than the new mac? Pls prce our a mac amd windows machine custom build ad post graba
Also stop pls talking about building fuking computer its not relevant. Normal people in this world don't! Wimdow is popular cause it faimed market share eaelier. |
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I'm not saying the hardware in mac is proprietary and better but quality is better that lots of shoddy companies rhat maken windows machines and .... just overall where most people buy their machines macs have been cooler and better for a long time imo.
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Mac v dell out of the box. And notice the pics of the guts if you cant notice the major difference there you are too biased.
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Mac pro guts are are art where dell looks like I made it myself. |
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That is the difference between normal computer users and fan boys. Fan boys go to bat for their team. Everyone else uses whatever they bought and doesn't worry about it.
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Intel, Nvidia, ATI, Samsung, Foxconn. None of those companies make superior product lines specifically for Mac, nor do they make inferior product lines specifically for PC. The only difference between an Intel cpu in a Mac and an Intel cpu in a PC is the price Apple charges you. Same thing for memory, HDD/SSD and graphics. |
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ITS NOT ALL ABOUT HARDWARE. ONLY A PERSON WHO BUILDS MACHINES WOULD THINK THAT AND MOST DONT. if it was company that sold cheapest box of loose hardware would dominate. i have mac and windows machines for specific purposes based on requirements and price nothing more. |
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vdbucks, I'll be bidding for you on the item below. Hopefully it wont get above 50 large.
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Macs are niche machines, but when comparing cost vs benefits, Microsoft based machines take over.
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Premiere and Avid are identical on either system. I don't think that you are a moron, but that statement is pretty dumb at this point. |
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I'm sure pc's have caught up maybe even passed mac's in some respects. But at one time they really sucked. Yea, I'm a loyal mac user because they have always worked. Why would I want to change? vdbucks is a tech enthusiast, for him I'm sure a huge amount of knowledge goes into his decisions/beliefs. For me it's a lot simpler, computers are a tool that goes under my desk so I can work on the things I enjoy, photos/video. I would be a moron to switch from something that has always worked for me. . |
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That said, Macs haven't been better in those things you mentioned since the era I'm referring too. The PowerMac era 10+ years ago. |
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I personally chose a Macbook Pro over others because of build quality and the OS being Unix based.... 3 years on though I am looking for something new... this Core 2 Duo is not cutting it anymore.... chances are I will opt for another Macbook Pro though.
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apple= for sheeps who want to improve/impress (who ? other idiots ?) and overpay.
like someone said - "you should be honored that you have privilege to overpay for mac". and later these people think that they have some kind of unique masterpiece in their hands ("as it costs that much, it has to be super") same goes with Apple mp3/mp4 players |
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Vdfucks so based on what you said its cheaper to build your own machine to run the superior mac osx ....that windows gets more viruses because it's the most popular in the world , Windows is bloatware because manufacturers make it that way and apple has clearly better design.
Those general words are from your mouth .... and you cant understand why people say mac is a better environment and subsequently that those reasons give apple the ability to charge a premium and people happily pay umless they are build their own machines or don't have the extra $ to spend. |
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=US&ie=UTF-8&source=android-browser&q=apple+wins+design+award
Maybe apple customer feel the have the best cause apple makes great products and is undoubtly one of the best if not the best product designers in existance today. |
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http://www.businessinsider.com/apple...y-award-2013-1!
Oh apple won a few emmys they r so lame.... the voting panel must be fanboys. Seems igot the last word so by gfy forum rules. I win.. suck it! |
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I never said OS X is a superior operating system. Nor did I say Windows is superior. Nor did I say Linux is superior. Nor did I say any of them are inferior. They are what they need to be for those who use them. That doesn't change the fact though that Windows is the most widely used and popular operating system. It's used by more home, gaming and business users than any other OS. It's simply a fact. And since it's the most popular, it is also targeted more by hackers and people who write virus'. OS X is more or less used by media professionals. Yes, these days, all the media creation programs work equally well on Windows as they do OS X, but as L-Pink has pointed out, there was a time when things really only worked well on OS X. And because of that, people stick to OS X in this regard. And that is perfectly normal and acceptable. Also, the more popular OS X becomes, the more people start using it over time, then the more it will become targeted by hackers and people who write virus'. Just because that isn't happening right now doesn't make OS X a superior operating system. It just makes it less popular and therefore less targeted. *nix is for server usage. No other OS even comes close. If Adobe were to release their suite for *nix then I personally think that move, along with increased gaming support, would be what really stands a chance of knocking Windows off the top of the hill. That is where i stand on the OS side of things. Macs are pretty. I've never said otherwise. But that's it. Hardware wise though, there is nothing inside that makes them perform better than PCs. The hardware is the same. Hardware is the most important thing to me. And I don't find paying double or more for the same hardware in my PC just because Macs come in a pretty case to be worth it. And if I really wanted, I could buy myself a Mac Pro chassis online and put all my hardware in it. Also, not everyone finds Macs to be pretty, or visually appealing. It's all personal preference. A pretty case also has absolutely no impact on the functionality. A lot of PCs look bad ass. A lot of them look like garbage. That's just how things are. Doesn't make Macs better than PCs. PCs are more popular and widely used, therefore there are thousands upon thousands of different components made by hundreds of companies. Choice is power and choice is the reason the PC world will always reign as the most popular. This is not counting the mobile movement of course, Different market. When it really comes down to it though, Macs are not better than PCs of the same caliber, nor are PCs better than Macs. The only real difference is price - and I'm not talking about or comparing the budget line of PCs - and I just don't see spending 2-3 times what I paid for my system to be worth it, when at the end of the day all you really get is a PC with an Apple logo and in an (arguably) pretty case. If you think Macs are worth it, then by all means. Thats what works for you. I personally find that building my machines myself is the best value for my money. I like knowing exactly what's inside of my system, that way if/when something goes wrong, I don't have to take it to some 3rd party place because I can do it myself in a fraction of the time. This is what works for me. But don't sit here and try to proclaim that Macs have better hardware, are faster than PCs with equal specs, or that "Mac = Ferrari, PC= Hyundai" because it is, quite simply, factually incorrect. Lastly, the operating system a machine runs on does not define the class architecture of a machine. PC != Windows Mac != OS X In fact, there are 4 primary classifications: Personal Computer, Business Computer, Workstation, Server. So, consumer level Macs are indeed Personal Computers, otherwise known as PC. Business level Macs are indeed Business Computers. The line between workstation and server these days is pretty thin, but the same remains for that class of computer. Workstation/Server level Macs are indeed that, Workstation/Server. |
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And with that, I'm done with this conversation/debate because it's pretty clear at this point that you (American Psycho) are only about 13 years old and are incapable of writing a complete sentence, comprehending a single paragraph, or making a valid argument whatsoever.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/apple...y-award-2013-1!
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I have several Macs. Got them as a friend who did the Mac programming at Netopia (sp?) talked me in to trying one after I was bitching so much about my PC woes. Such as re-installing XP 10 times in one day as the drivers wouldn't work. When you reformat a Mac disk it's a total clean. In Windows about 5 MB is left behind and it's the 5 MB that's causing your problem.
I most programs Mac is better, but I run Parallels as my Windows Office 97 runs better the the MS Office 2011 for OS X version. I used to work for one of the big 3 movie theatre chain. Everybody used PCs except the Graphic Arts & Design Department. They all used Macs. The manager told me that he and most of his team would quit if forced to use Macs. |
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So for heavens sake, lets stop debating? There will always be apple fanboys and pc fanboys. The product is as good as the person using it.
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