Ontario raises Min Wage to $11.00/hr

[Bryan G]

Discuss....


TORONTO -- Anti-poverty activists say hiking Ontario's minimum wage to $11 an hour effective June 1 will still leave workers living in poverty, while convenience stores say it shouldn't result in higher prices.

Premier Kathleen Wynne announced the 75-cent-an-hour increase, the first change since the Liberal government froze the wage at $10.25 an hour four years ago.
Sonia Singh of the Workers' Action Centre says the minimum wage needs to be increased to $14 an hour to give workers enough to live on.


Read more: http://www.cp24.com/news/province-ra...#ixzz2ru852VTZ

[Marcus Aurelius]

You are a gay homosexual.

[fris]

still beats new york at 7.25usd.

2 dollar difference.

[Best-In-BC]

Yeah, good for them

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by Marcus Aurelius

You are a gay homosexual.

Your mother thinks otherwise.

[_Richard_]

it's the end of the world

[Rochard]

I think minimum wage needs to be set low so that someone makes the bare minimum to support themselves for a short period of time. When I say "bare minimum" I mean it should support one person renting a room in an apartment and food and not much else; No smart phone or Ipads etc.

Minimum wage shouldn't be a way of life, it should be motivation to do better.

I remember living on minimum wage when I was a kid fresh out of the military - flipping burgers for $3.50 / hour. Because I couldn't afford the lifestyle I wanted, I worked four jobs to make ends meet.... Until I was able to climb out of that minimum wage rut.

[AsianDivaGirlsWebDude]

$11...coincidently just happens to be the cost of a crack rock in Toronto.



ADG

[Shap]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Discuss....


TORONTO -- Anti-poverty activists say hiking Ontario's minimum wage to $11 an hour effective June 1 will still leave workers living in poverty, while convenience stores say it shouldn't result in higher prices.

Premier Kathleen Wynne announced the 75-cent-an-hour increase, the first change since the Liberal government froze the wage at $10.25 an hour four years ago.
Sonia Singh of the Workers' Action Centre says the minimum wage needs to be increased to $14 an hour to give workers enough to live on.


Read more: http://www.cp24.com/news/province-ra...#ixzz2ru852VTZ

That's big news for you right? Nice little raise? I Kid i Kid

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by Shap

That's big news for you right? Nice little raise? I Kid i Kid

more people with more money is good for business

[PornoMonster]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I think minimum wage needs to be set low so that someone makes the bare minimum to support themselves for a short period of time. When I say "bare minimum" I mean it should support one person renting a room in an apartment and food and not much else; No smart phone or Ipads etc.

Minimum wage shouldn't be a way of life, it should be motivation to do better.

I remember living on minimum wage when I was a kid fresh out of the military - flipping burgers for $3.50 / hour. Because I couldn't afford the lifestyle I wanted, I worked four jobs to make ends meet.... Until I was able to climb out of that minimum wage rut.

EXACTLY CORRECT!!!! Spot On! I worked 2 to 3 jobs depending on what I wanted in Life.

Most Make WAY above Min wage, if they have a Family.

I know a female that makes $14K-$15k, has 2 Children, and
gets 100% of her Federal and State Taxes Back, PLUS
Federal tax she received additional to what she paid in
Federal she got $5,300
Child tax Credit $2,000
State she got $800 above everything she paid in.

YES, I know this is Tax payer money, but She IS making more than $10-12 an HOUR.
Plus the Money Made is TAX Free all year.
She also gets an Energy Credit Cash payment between $400-$1,200 a year depending on how high her bill is. (Once a year payment)
She also gets $400-$650 a Month food stamps (again depending on how many hours she worked.)
She goes to the Free Food Places, and Churches to get her food, and sells her Food Stamps for Cash.

She also gets $400 a month Child support.
She also lives with her Boy Friend who has a Construction job, so he normally brings home a Nice pay check also.

So, to Bryan G, Quit Crying the people who seek things out, can Work the System Very Well.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

$11...coincidently just happens to be the cost of a crack rock in Toronto.



ADG

Oh snap...

The US has it's fair share of crappy politicians who do stupid things on camera (like that Congressman yesterday who threatened the reported on camera) but.... You just have to accept that this guy takes the cake.....

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

more people with more money is good for business

not good for inflation genius...

we still haven't recovered from our last hike. It's expensive as hell living in canada these days we want more of this?

gallon of milk: 5.89
loaf of bread: 2.89
eggs: 3.99 a dozen

US is what? half of that? Doesn't sound like a lot but these are just basic necessities here.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

EXACTLY CORRECT!!!! Spot On! I worked 2 to 3 jobs depending on what I wanted in Life.

Most Make WAY above Min wage, if they have a Family.

I know a female that makes $14K-$15k, has 2 Children, and
gets 100% of her Federal and State Taxes Back, PLUS
Federal tax she received additional to what she paid in
Federal she got $5,300
Child tax Credit $2,000
State she got $800 above everything she paid in.

YES, I know this is Tax payer money, but She IS making more than $10-12 an HOUR.
Plus the Money Made is TAX Free all year.
She also gets an Energy Credit Cash payment between $400-$1,200 a year depending on how high her bill is. (Once a year payment)
She also gets $400-$650 a Month food stamps (again depending on how many hours she worked.)
She goes to the Free Food Places, and Churches to get her food, and sells her Food Stamps for Cash.

She also gets $400 a month Child support.
She also lives with her Boy Friend who has a Construction job, so he normally brings home a Nice pay check also.

So, to Bryan G, Quit Crying the people who seek things out, can Work the System Very Well.

When I got out of the military I wasn't qualified to do anything really. When I look back it... It was insane. My average day was a early morning newspaper route, 6am to 3pm at a cafe, 4pm till 8pm at a fast food restaurant, and then 9pm till 1am at Target stocking shelves. It was fucking brutal - I had little time for sleep no less a social life.

And when I finally found that job that took me out of that rut I took it - although I still worked the fast food restaurant for a long time after.

And eventually that "good job" wasn't enough and I wanted more, I wanted a carreer... So I put myself through college.

This is what minimum wage is for - to "barely" keep you on your feet until you can do better.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

$11...coincidently just happens to be the cost of a crack rock in Toronto.



ADG

better move to cali! that $11 on sum double up

[EonBlue]

This from the same genius government that has made it so much more expensive to live and do business in Ontario; the same government that is driving manufacturing from the province; the same government that has basically bankrupted the province and turned it from a "have" to a "have not" province.

Sounds like a great plan. Not!

This is nothing but a cynical vote-buying scheme before an election this year.

Originally Posted by _Richard_

more people with more money is good for business

More businesses with less money is not good for business. Many businesses that are just breaking even now will be be forced to reduce staff and hours or may even close altogether.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

not good for inflation genius...

we still haven't recovered from our last hike. It's expensive as hell living in canada these days we want more of this?

gallon of milk: 5.89
loaf of bread: 2.89
eggs: 3.99 a dozen

US is what? half of that? Doesn't sound like a lot but these are just basic necessities here.

i don't even wanna begin to explain why this is hilarious.

Originally Posted by EonBlue

More businesses with less money is not good for business. Many businesses that are just breaking even now will be be forced to reduce staff and hours or may even close altogether.

so the answer is slaves?

or people being paid so little, they may as well be slaves?

all to 'save your many businesses that are unable to operate by paying a living wage'?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

all to 'save your many businesses that are unable to operate by paying a living wage'?

And there lies the problem. Who said an entry level job should be one you can live off of?

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

so the answer is slaves?

or people being paid so little, they may as well be slaves?

all to 'save your many businesses that are unable to operate by paying a living wage'?

No. A slave is someone who is forced against their will to perform labour for $0 an hour and who is not free to go seek a higher wage elsewhere.

Go ahead and drive small businesses out of business. Where will the unemployed get their living wage then?

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

not good for inflation genius...

we still haven't recovered from our last hike. It's expensive as hell living in canada these days we want more of this?

gallon of milk: 5.89
loaf of bread: 2.89
eggs: 3.99 a dozen

US is what? half of that? Doesn't sound like a lot but these are just basic necessities here.

you can blame the egg and the milk costs on the dairy groups controlling price though i only pay 3.97 for a three bagger of milk.

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by PornoMonster

EXACTLY CORRECT!!!! Spot On! I worked 2 to 3 jobs depending on what I wanted in Life.

Most Make WAY above Min wage, if they have a Family.

I know a female that makes $14K-$15k, has 2 Children, and
gets 100% of her Federal and State Taxes Back, PLUS
Federal tax she received additional to what she paid in
Federal she got $5,300
Child tax Credit $2,000
State she got $800 above everything she paid in.

YES, I know this is Tax payer money, but She IS making more than $10-12 an HOUR.
Plus the Money Made is TAX Free all year.
She also gets an Energy Credit Cash payment between $400-$1,200 a year depending on how high her bill is. (Once a year payment)
She also gets $400-$650 a Month food stamps (again depending on how many hours she worked.)
She goes to the Free Food Places, and Churches to get her food, and sells her Food Stamps for Cash.

She also gets $400 a month Child support.
She also lives with her Boy Friend who has a Construction job, so he normally brings home a Nice pay check also.

So, to Bryan G, Quit Crying the people who seek things out, can Work the System Very Well.

How am I crying retard? I just posted an article because people like to debate both sides. I could give a fuck what the min wage is.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

And there lies the problem. Who said an entry level job should be one you can live off of?

we are talking about a 70 cent increase.

Originally Posted by EonBlue

No. A slave is someone who is forced against their will to perform labour for $0 an hour and who is not free to go seek a higher wage elsewhere.

Go ahead and drive small businesses out of business. Where will the unemployed get their living wage then?

great. now those small business owners trying to pay for their bank loans off the backs of their menial workers now can complain about the same problem working for big corporations, who manage to pay such wages and not go out of business

the system works!

[Bryan G]

Originally Posted by Shap

That's big news for you right? Nice little raise? I Kid i Kid

I know I finally made it!!! Lol

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

we are talking about a 70 cent increase.



great. now those small business owners trying to pay for their bank loans off the backs of their menial workers now can complain about the same problem working for big corporations, who manage to pay such wages and not go out of business

the system works!

No, I'm talking about the phrase "living wage" and it's incorrect association with entry level unskilled workers.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

No, I'm talking about the phrase "living wage" and it's incorrect association with entry level unskilled workers.

ok.. so you feel that business should be utilizing government social programs paid for by tax payers in order to operate?

why do you love socialism, L-Pink?

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

not good for inflation genius...

we still haven't recovered from our last hike. It's expensive as hell living in canada these days we want more of this?

gallon of milk: 5.89
loaf of bread: 2.89
eggs: 3.99 a dozen

US is what? half of that? Doesn't sound like a lot but these are just basic necessities here.

If you really want to shock the Americans reading this you should quote them the price of beer here.

As an example for comparison:

Budweiser 30 Can 355 ml - $49.95

The same case can be had for around $25 after tax and deposit in the US.

I know beer isn't a basic necessity, but still.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

ok.. so you feel that business should be utilizing government social programs paid for by tax payers in order to operate?

why do you love socialism, L-Pink?

You are missing the whole point as to what an entry level job is in the first place.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

great. now those small business owners trying to pay for their bank loans off the backs of their menial workers now can complain about the same problem working for big corporations, who manage to pay such wages and not go out of business

the system works!

Listen Karl. Small and medium sized businesses make up 98% of all business establishments in Ontario and they employ half of the total workforce. If you insist on killing them off with all of your class-warfare BS then you do so at your own peril. Someone will have to pick up the slack somewhere. The policies you obviously condone already have us on an accelerating downward spiral with no end in sight. Enjoy the decline.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

You are missing the whole point as to what an entry level job is in the first place.

am i? with your logic, we should just do away with a minimum wage

pay them $1 per hour.. til they're 'experienced'

i hear there is now university graduates working for free, in order to 'get the experience they require' to get a job that 'pays them enough for basic amenities'

but, you're most likely right, and i am missing the point. We have an economy that was leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else as of 30 years ago.. i am sure it's even bigger since we have had such a head start

right?

Originally Posted by EonBlue

Listen Karl. Small and medium sized businesses make up 98% of all business establishments in Ontario and they employ half of the total workforce. If you insist on killing them off with all of your class-warfare BS then you do so at your own peril. Someone will have to pick up the slack somewhere. The policies you obviously condone already have us on an accelerating downward spiral with no end in sight. Enjoy the decline.

a .70 wage increase will kill off 98% of your business?

sounds like a simple inflation jump would have killed off that business, if so.

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Rochard

I think minimum wage needs to be set low so that someone makes the bare minimum to support themselves for a short period of time. When I say "bare minimum" I mean it should support one person renting a room in an apartment and food and not much else; No smart phone or Ipads etc.

Minimum wage shouldn't be a way of life, it should be motivation to do better.

I remember living on minimum wage when I was a kid fresh out of the military - flipping burgers for $3.50 / hour. Because I couldn't afford the lifestyle I wanted, I worked four jobs to make ends meet.... Until I was able to climb out of that minimum wage rut.

Yep same for me. First job was for 3:15 an hour. Working in a Chicken place. Second job was at a Private country club making 5$ and hour shining shoes.

[bigluv]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

not good for inflation genius...

we still haven't recovered from our last hike. It's expensive as hell living in canada these days we want more of this?

gallon of milk: 5.89
loaf of bread: 2.89
eggs: 3.99 a dozen

US is what? half of that? Doesn't sound like a lot but these are just basic necessities here.

That's not why prices are the way they are here.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

If you really want to shock the Americans reading this you should quote them the price of beer here.

As an example for comparison:

Budweiser 30 Can 355 ml - $49.95

The same case can be had for around $25 after tax and deposit in the US.

I know beer isn't a basic necessity, but still.

Wait a minute! Are you telling me that it's cold as fuck AND beer is almost 2 dollars a CAN?! (Nobody can make the import argument, I buy imported beer for $1-1.50 a bottle.)

No wonder you guys don't have an illegal American immigrant population. Even without free health care, it's still better here! We have cheap beer for our ailments!

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

a .70 wage increase will kill off 98% of your business?

.

Until you own your own business and actually have "entry level" workers you won't realize most aren't even worth the current minimum wage.

Until you actually employ "entry level" workers everything you post is just unproven theory.

Good afternoon.


.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Until you own your own business and actually have "entry level" workers you won't realize most aren't even worth the current minimum wage.

Until you actually employ "entry level" workers everything you post is just unproven theory.

Good afternoon.


.

proven then, good day.

Originally Posted by Sly

No wonder you guys don't have an illegal American immigrant population. Even without free health care, it's still better here! We have cheap beer for our ailments!

we do. you guys have a war, we get a bunch of new people

[Sly]

I think I solved the problem for you guys.

Make your beer prices match our beer prices.

[_Richard_]

we wish man.

the story was 'the dollar is not at par, and transportation costs'

but then the dollar went to par, and that meant 'transportation costs were higher, ergo the prices not changing'

[CDSmith]

Since you can't even get the shittiest of apartments in Toronto for under $1500 a month I can see where they'd want the minimum wage to go to $11. Here in the 'Peg you'd get a plush 2 bdrm highrise with a pool, spa and excersise facility for $1500/mo. And underground parking.

Not even sure what the minimum wage is here but it's no $11.

[PR_Glen]

Originally Posted by bigluv

That's not why prices are the way they are here.

yes, dairy has a monopoly here, they are also government regulated. Why do you think they were aloud to hike the prices on those? FUCKING INFLATION!!!!!!!!!!!

fuckit everyone should get 50k a year we'd all be dancing in the streets and driving cadilacs.. there would be no fucking roads and we'd have nowhere to drive to but we'd have a shit tonne of worthless money wooohoo!!!

good night geniuses

[Sly]

By the way, a one dollar an hour raise is not a one dollar an hour raise. I can't believe nobody mentioned this. It comes with a nice little stack of additional taxes as well.

One dollar to the employee is never one dollar to the employer.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by Sly

By the way, a one dollar an hour raise is not a one dollar an hour raise. I can't believe nobody mentioned this. It comes with a nice little stack of additional taxes as well.

One dollar to the employee is never one dollar to the employer.

Exactly. Add on CPP, EI, WSIB.

Also, another not already mentioned fact is that in Ontario right now there are two minimum wages: $9.60 for under 18, $10.25 for over 18.

So if both are now going to be $11 (I have yet to hear otherwise) that is an increase of $1.40 for employees under 18. High school kids flipping burgers while living with their parents are going to make out like bandits.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

I know I finally made it!!! Lol

Congrats

[whOaKemosabe]

Originally Posted by Bryan G

Discuss....


TORONTO -- Anti-poverty activists say hiking Ontario's minimum wage to $11 an hour effective June 1 will still leave workers living in poverty, while convenience stores say it shouldn't result in higher prices.

Premier Kathleen Wynne announced the 75-cent-an-hour increase, the first change since the Liberal government froze the wage at $10.25 an hour four years ago.
Sonia Singh of the Workers' Action Centre says the minimum wage needs to be increased to $14 an hour to give workers enough to live on.


Read more: http://www.cp24.com/news/province-ra...#ixzz2ru852VTZ

You have a extra few bux to spend on scarfs

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

a .70 wage increase will kill off 98% of your business?

sounds like a simple inflation jump would have killed off that business, if so.

No, the $0.75 increase won't do it on it's own. But small businesses are suffering death from 1000 cuts. The same mentality that leads to these knee-jerk minimum wage increases leads to other policies that are just as damaging to small business. There is a reason why youth unemployment is 20%+ in Ontario.

The price of electricity in Ontario has gone up by 50% in the last decade and is set to rise another 50% in the next 5 years. Ontario now has the most expensive electricity in North America. This is because of the same brain-dead simpletons introducing this new minimum wage.

And because the minimum wage will now be tied to inflation it will lead to more inflation, which leads to higher minimum wage, which leads to higher inflation....etc., etc.

[Sly]

What's interesting to me about these discussions is perspective.

In this particular discussion, we have two different perspectives. That of an employee and that of an employer. The two sides go back and forth, fighting this point, arguing that point. But the funny thing is only one of those sides has experience from both perspectives.

An employer was at one time an employee, and often a minimum wage employee. Whereas an employee was very rarely an employer.

One side, dual experience. One side, solo experience.

Something to think about.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by EonBlue

No, the $0.75 increase won't do it on it's own. But small businesses are suffering death from 1000 cuts. The same mentality that leads to these knee-jerk minimum wage increases leads to other policies that are just as damaging to small business. There is a reason why youth unemployment is 20%+ in Ontario.

The price of electricity in Ontario has gone up by 50% in the last decade and is set to rise another 50% in the next 5 years. Ontario now has the most expensive electricity in North America. This is because of the same brain-dead simpletons introducing this new minimum wage.

And because the minimum wage will now be tied to inflation it will lead to more inflation, which leads to higher minimum wage, which leads to higher inflation....etc., etc.

i thought the price of electricity had gone up so much, because you guys deregulated and sold out to Direct Energy?

who should be, at this very moment, raping a lot of customers, specifically the elderly who don't have the energy to find out why their bills are being 'renewed' and signed up for the same services twice, on 'different payment plans'

[_Richard_]

but i am sure, it was the brain-dead simpletons who deregulated all that legislation as well, so point to you.

[CarlosTheGaucho]

Originally Posted by Sly

I think I solved the problem for you guys.

Make your beer prices match our beer prices.

That's right, or better match our beer prices, which is like $1.20 - $2 on tap and $ 0.60 - $ 1 a bottle.

No wonder this country consumes the most beer per capita in the world!

[Sly]

Originally Posted by CarlosTheGaucho

That's right, or better match our beer prices, which is like $1.20 - $2 on tap and $ 0.60 - $ 1 a bottle.

No wonder this country consumes the most beer per capita in the world!

I seriously think we are on to something here.

Joint Nobel Peace Prize?

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by _Richard_

i thought the price of electricity had gone up so much, because you guys deregulated and sold out to Direct Energy?

who should be, at this very moment, raping a lot of customers, specifically the elderly who don't have the energy to find out why their bills are being 'renewed' and signed up for the same services twice, on 'different payment plans'

No that's not it. It's now mostly because of the Green Energy Act.

[BlackCrayon]

Originally Posted by Sly

I think I solved the problem for you guys.

Make your beer prices match our beer prices.

beer is cheaper in quebec. ontario and some other provinces have retarded taxes on alcohol and only allow beer to be sold in their own beer stores. in quebec you actually have competition and gasp..sales.