WANTED: Cam Sponsors that track Members via Database ?

[XSAXS]

As the title implies...

I want to know which cam sponsors permanently tie a Member to the Affiliate at the database level -- so that even if the member abandons his original account and creates a new one the revshare is still carried over.

I always hesitate to do revshare because I know how often dudes change their accounts (some of them every fucking time they login).

[sandman!]

good luck with that

[nexcom28]

Instant payments by Bitcoin is the future.

[AllAboutCams]

Originally Posted by nexcom28

Instant payments by Bitcoin is the future.

That is a terrible site

[XSAXS]

Originally Posted by nexcom28

Instant payments by Bitcoin is the future.

Seriously doubt that, unfortunately. Many reasons...

1. Bitcoin is too slow.
2. It will still be a looong time before the general public embraces BTC enough to fuel multi-million dollar enterprises on it.
3. Instant BTC payments to affiliates open the sponsor to too much fraud/chargeback risk (with no possible recovery).
4. Many (most?) Sponsors rely heavily on that float period between collection and payout.

EDIT: I should say... Crypto-currency IS the way of the future. But many hurdles to jump before we get there.

[XSAXS]

Originally Posted by sandman!

good luck with that

I know some exist. Just don't remember who.

[NewNick]

Originally Posted by XSAXS

As the title implies...

I want to know which cam sponsors permanently tie a Member to the Affiliate at the database level -- so that even if the member abandons his original account and creates a new one the revshare is still carried over.

I always hesitate to do revshare because I know how often dudes change their accounts (some of them every fucking time they login).

So if they empty their cookies, create a new account with a new email address and they have a dynamic IP, the camsite will have to work very hard to track the punter.............

[nexcom28]

Originally Posted by AllAboutCams

That is a terrible site

I've seen far worse.

[miXXXture]

find a cool cam domain and build a white label with the sponsor you want to promote...

[signupdamnit]

None. Even if they claim otherwise I would be very skeptical and attempt to test it. It's hard not to get shaved let alone get credit for people who signup again using the same email or credit card. To the sponsor fixing that would be costing them money.

[Firestarter30]

Unfortunately there is none.Since you are asking this question you figured it out that after some point reshare $ reached the zero point and this is because (i have pinpoint this exact issue in other thread) the member created a new account most likely to show his enthusiasm (lol here) to the model. One example in the image bellow


Im kinda skeptical about revshare my self is it really really brings more money than pps or ppo, since the heavy hitters are the ones that are "inlove" with a model, which makes them mode "dangerous" about creating a new account.
Just my

[XSAXS]

Originally Posted by Firestarter30

Unfortunately there is none.Since you are asking this question you figured it out that after some point reshare $ reached the zero point and this is because (i have pinpoint this exact issue in other thread) the member created a new account most likely to show his enthusiasm (lol here) to the model. One example in the image bellow


Im kinda skeptical about revshare my self is it really really brings more money than pps or ppo, since the heavy hitters are the ones that are "inlove" with a model, which makes them mode "dangerous" about creating a new account.
Just my

Yeah. I've seen a number of guys who are so terrified of hidden fees that they cancel after every visit. Then create a new name each time they return.

I know that a properly designed Whitelabel would theoretically solve the problem, but I could have sworn that I saw a sponsor bragging about this feature.

Originally Posted by NewNick

So if they empty their cookies, create a new account with a new email address and they have a dynamic IP, the camsite will have to work very hard to track the punter.............

Not really. To help minimize fraud, cam sites generally verify a user's actual identity when they sign up. They do it by cross referencing name, address, and credit card info with ID databases.

So it would not be difficult to track that person even if they're on a different computer, different IP, different credit card, etc... Its not 100% bulletproof, but they can do it with reasonably high accuracy.

As an example... Clickcash/iFriends has been using this ID verification method for many years. They know whether or not the guy has used their service in the past. BUT I know for a fact that they don't track revshare with it -- you get credit for new, first-time subs only. So if the guy changes his username, you're screwed.

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by NewNick

So if they empty their cookies, create a new account with a new email address and they have a dynamic IP, the camsite will have to work very hard to track the punter.............

Originally Posted by XSAXS

To help minimize fraud, cam sites generally verify a user's actual identity when they sign up. They do it by cross referencing name, address, and credit card info with ID databases. Its not 100% bulletproof, but they can do it with reasonably high accuracy.

There is also the opposite issue: if a cam program gives PPS (like $80+ per new user signup), and a same user will make many accounts for just $20 sale each (without clear cookies), the same user would generate many PPS payouts rather than one only, so the cam program would pay too much. Often cam users will make many accounts (without clear cookies) just because trying to fool a same cam girl with different personalities. He will be Tim the pervert, John the shy, and so on, they engage in silly games where they let the girl say to one personality something then verify by ask the same with another nickname and so on. It would be a financial disaster for a cam site PPS-wise for payouts.

I developed a few cam site affiliate systems and in some I have a check for the name entered in the credit card form, it compares it with previous names entered by same user before. If it is different it issues a warning, this is to identify fraud where a carder tries many credit cards within a same username (unlikely he is john then tim etc. for real!). The same check it is made also in first sale of each new user, if this name exists in previous users, a warning is issued. However, there are many John Smith's (same name but really it is a different person), so an human should verify the warning checking also ISP, Address or any else data, and decide. Can not be automated really, this is why "fraud people" are people and not automated sofwares, these can only issue warnings but needs an human to edit things by hand.

Said this, the cam sites of course focus on checking id against fraud, and against pay too many times a PPS for a same individual. It could theorically check against missed revshare, adding the affiliate IDs by hand, but probably this is not popular. The cam sites I am currently involved in do not give revshare, only pps and cpa (free lead), so it is not applicable, but honestly I would have not instructed the admins to check this, I don't know what other cam sites are doing.