Militias ?mobilizing? to support embattled Clark County rancher in clash with federal rangers - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

_Richard_ · 04-11-2014, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

There is a reason for that...

i am sure.. and if it's a fracking matter, there is reasons here that matter to all of us. and not just the good people of Nevada.

dyna mo · 04-11-2014, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SykkBoy

There's also a lot of scuttlebutt about the feds wanting to use the land for fracking

i don't get this, the government does not engage in fracking.

crockett · 04-11-2014, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

he owes 300k.. and that's between 93-11

between 11 and now, he owes 1.1 million.

I assume the rapid increase from 2011 til now, is due to fines? Kinda like if you don't pay the IRS the fines quickly add up to more than the amount initially owed.

What it's starting to look like, is this guy was ranching there and paying fees. Then in 1993 for some reason he stopped paying the fees.

Some time along the way from what Dyno Mo posted the BLM decided to change the amount of cattle a rancher could have to a max of 150 head. That of course is a devastating reduction.

Now the issue is, why did he stop paying the fees in 1993 and when did BLM make the change to a max of 150 head of cattle? If they are connected, then I can understand him fighting. However if he stopped paying because of the Mormon BS and then later BLM changed the rules to 150 to force him out.. Then he has no rights as he wasn't paying his due.

Even still it is Federal land and the govt does have the ability to change the rules. Meaning just because people might of done some 50 years ago, doesn't mean it will continue today.

Seems over all there is far too much bias on all sides reporting and very little accurate reporting of what led up to this.

Vendzilla · 04-11-2014, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

do you have annnyyy links for this? been rumours but i haven't been able to get anything concrete

Just a theory so far
http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_bl...ndy_ranch.html

dyna mo · 04-11-2014, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Just a theory so far
http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_bl...ndy_ranch.html

that's a pretty extreme claim. Besides, fracking can take place with cattle around. those 2 things can mutually exist. Hell, companies are fracking in neighborhoods elsewhere, there's no reason to clear out the cattle so the blm can do fracking leases.

crockett · 04-11-2014, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

i don't get this, the government does not engage in fracking.

They lease the land to the oil companies. Padre Island National Seashore which is a national park has gas wells on it owned by private companies and the land right is leased.

This was the big deal when Sarah Palin was running With McCain and the their whole "drill baby drill" slogan. She was trying to force the govt to open up more federal land in Alaska for drilling.

They let the oil companies on the land to drill and the companies pay a small fee and reap massive profits off US tax payer owned land.

No idea if that's the case here, but honestly I wouldn't be surprised.

dyna mo · 04-11-2014, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

They lease the land to the oil companies. Padre Island National Seashore which is a national park has gas wells on it owned by private companies and the land right is leased.

This was the big deal when Sarah Palin was running With McCain and the their whole "drill baby drill" slogan. She was trying to force the govt to open up more federal land in Alaska for drilling.

They let the oil companies on the land to drill and the companies pay a small fee and reap massive profits off US tax payer owned land.

No idea if that's the case here, but honestly I wouldn't be surprised.

sure, but there's no reason to kick cattle off that land so they can lease fracking rights. also, this started way back in 1993, long before fracking was on the radar.

It seems like the blm is wanting the land for themselves and kicking peeps off it but I'm not seeing fracking as the reason.

_Richard_ · 04-11-2014, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

I assume the rapid increase from 2011 til now, is due to fines? Kinda like if you don't pay the IRS the fines quickly add up to more than the amount initially owed.

What it's starting to look like, is this guy was ranching there and paying fees. Then in 1993 for some reason he stopped paying the fees.

Some time along the way from what Dyno Mo posted the BLM decided to change the amount of cattle a rancher could have to a max of 150 head. That of course is a devastating reduction.

Now the issue is, why did he stop paying the fees in 1993 and when did BLM make the change to a max of 150 head of cattle? If they are connected, then I can understand him fighting. However if he stopped paying because of the Mormon BS and then later BLM changed the rules to 150 to force him out.. Then he has no rights as he wasn't paying his due.

Even still it is Federal land and the govt does have the ability to change the rules. Meaning just because people might of done some 50 years ago, doesn't mean it will continue today.

Seems over all there is far too much bias on all sides reporting and very little accurate reporting of what led up to this.

you will see here that the gentleman has in fact paid the required dues to clark county:

http://danaloeschradio.com/the-real-...e-bundy-ranch/

and it looks like we have the fracking connection:

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative...s-2935768.html

'This BLM military operation of rounding up Mr. Bundy?s cattle is all about Oil Fracking leases that will make a lot of money for Dirty Harry Reid and his family. it?s also a huge coincidence that the new head of the BLM is a man by the name of Neil Kornze, who not only was he the former senior policy advisor on public lands issues to Dirty Harry Reid, he also has worked on helping to craft a recent industry-friendly draft policy on Fracking.'

http://grist.org/news/obama-nominate...-lead-the-blm/

'Kornze?s boss, Interior Secretary Sally Jewell, had this to say about him: ?Neil has helped implement forward-looking reforms at the BLM to promote energy development in areas of minimal conflict, drive landscape-level planning efforts, and dramatically expand the agency?s use of technology to speed up the process for energy permitting.?'

_Richard_ · 04-11-2014, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Just a theory so far
http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_bl...ndy_ranch.html

gaa this is even better

EddyTheDog · 04-11-2014, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

i am sure.. and if it's a fracking matter, there is reasons here that matter to all of us. and not just the good people of Nevada.

He had no legal recourse because what he is doing is illegal - If he thought it was unjust he should go through the courts like everyone else - Not call up the militia...

I think most of us will be treated in a way that we feel is unjust - Its a good job that we don't all do what he is doing though.....

_Richard_ · 04-11-2014, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

He had no legal recourse because what he is doing is illegal - If he thought it was unjust he should go through the courts like everyone else - Not call up the militia...

I think most of us will be treated in a way that we feel is unjust - Its a good job that we don't all do what he is doing though.....

he called up the militia?

why don't you just go ahead and imagine this guy into prison.

dyna mo · 04-11-2014, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

He had no legal recourse because what he is doing is illegal - If he thought it was unjust he should go through the courts like everyone else - Not call up the militia...

I think most of us will be treated in a way that we feel is unjust - Its a good job that we don't all do what he is doing though.....

Here's the smoking gun that he could have used to legally resolve this matter::::::

Government plans to euthanize hundreds of threatened desert tortoises it was supposed to protect

Federal funds for a Nevada-based desert tortoise conservation center are running dry and wildlife officials plan to close the facility and euthanize hundreds of tortoises that were once classified as ?endangered? and are currently considered ?threatened.?

http://desertlocalnews.com/governmen...ed-to-protect/

crockett · 04-11-2014, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

sure, but there's no reason to kick cattle off that land so they can lease fracking rights. also, this started way back in 1993, long before fracking was on the radar.

It seems like the blm is wanting the land for themselves and kicking peeps off it but I'm not seeing fracking as the reason.

Yea I agree with you. I don't like fracking, but it's not like cows are going to stop it. The wells only take up small areas as well as the holding tanks.

There is just way too much bad info from all sides that seem to be cherry picking parts for their agenda. With out knowing first hand whats going on it's hard to make a call.

One thing I do not like is the lease for the 40 thousand acres of BLM land going for $1.27 mil and allowing 6 oil & gas companies to essentially pay peanuts to rape public land for profits. That may not be the case here in this situation as the fracking is just a theory but such a small amount of money for a lease like that is fucked up.

If that land was owned by private individuals there is no way in hell the oil & gas companies would get away with only paying $1.27 mil to lease 40 thousand acres. The US tax payer is getting fucked twice once by lack of income from public land and second by the oil & gas companies selling us the fruits of our public own lands at the pump for inflated prices.

I will say this, as far as the video, the Rangers did do the right thing at the end. instead of making that situation worse at that moment and pushing the issue likely leading to a more violent confrontation, they got in their trucks and left. Lucky they weren't in New Mexico as they would all probably be beaten up, a few dead and the rest in jail.

Of course that was then and what happens next, we will see when actual swat teams get used..

_Richard_ · 04-11-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Yea I agree with you. I don't like fracking, but it's not like cows are going to stop it. The wells only take up small areas as well as the holding tanks.

There is just way too much bad info from all sides that seem to be cherry picking parts for their side. With out knowing first hand whats going on it's hard to make a call.

One thing I do not like is the lease for the 40 thousand acres of BLM land going for $1.27 mil and allowing 6 oil & gas companies to essentially pay peanuts to rape public land for profits. That may not be the case here in this situation as the fracking is just a theory but such a small amount of money for a lease like that is fucked up.

If that land was owned by private individuals there is no way in hell the oil & gas companies would get away with only paying $1.27 mil to lease 40 thousand acres. The US tax payer is getting fucked twice once by lack of income from public land and second by the oil & gas companies at the pump.

I will say this, as far as the video, the Rangers did do the right thing at the end. instead of making that situation worse at that moment and pushing the issue likely leading to a more violent confrontation, they got in their trucks and left.

Of course that was then and what happens next guess we will see when actual swat teams get used..

we wish it be swat teams

ATF are a great deal worse

crockett · 04-11-2014, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

Here's the smoking gun that he could have used to legally resolve this matter::::::

Government plans to euthanize hundreds of threatened desert tortoises it was supposed to protect

Federal funds for a Nevada-based desert tortoise conservation center are running dry and wildlife officials plan to close the facility and euthanize hundreds of tortoises that were once classified as ?endangered? and are currently considered ?threatened.?

http://desertlocalnews.com/governmen...ed-to-protect/

That's pretty fucked.. They can't just let the turtles go fend for themselves?

_Richard_ · 04-11-2014, 10:29 AM

since the turtles didn't just show up, i can only assume they have been fending for themselves for the entire time humans have been in the area..

crockett · 04-11-2014, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by _Richard_

since the turtles didn't just show up, i can only assume they have been fending for themselves for the entire time humans have been in the area..

It was a sarcastic question I was asking.

_Richard_ · 04-11-2014, 10:43 AM

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Folks, there is a possibility the cell towers have been shut down. People are having trouble calling out, and I cannot get a hold of my people on the ground. I will update as soon as I know more.
‪#‎RangeWar‬ ‪#‎BundyRanch‬ ‪#‎Blackout‬

update from someone who is there -

sandman! · 04-11-2014, 10:45 AM

so its ok not to pay your bills now if you dont want to ?

i dont get it

crockett · 04-11-2014, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sandman!

so its ok not to pay your bills now if you dont want to ?

i dont get it

Oh I don't think it matters. The end result will be the same. Maybe he paid his bills maybe he didn't, maybe he has right to be there or maybe not. One thing is clear he will get stomped on, one way or another be it right or wrong the govt will get their way and it will be only later, that we find out who was right or who was wrong.

_Richard_ · 04-11-2014, 12:43 PM

http://m.reviewjournal.com/news/wate...-bundy-roundup

'Collins said Utahns are “inbred bastards” and if they come to Clark County to support Bundy they “better have funeral plans.” Collins also told Bushman that they should mind their “own (expletive) business.”'

_Richard_ · 04-11-2014, 01:46 PM

washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/11/militias-head-nevada-ranchers-standoff-feds-were-n/

cellphone tower shut down confirmed

sperbonzo · 04-11-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

A fellow at Forbes by name of David Blackmon offers a level-headed analysis, filed in a different cabinet as it were, of what many consider to be the by-and-large unreported substance of the enmities:

The dispute in question goes back to 1993, when the BLM cut the grazing rights of the rancher in question, Mr. Cliven Bundy, from a herd of thousands of head of cattle to one of no more than 150 head in order to ?protect? a species of desert tortoise that inhabits the same area of the state. Most mainstream news media reports on this story naturally did not inform their readers of this fact, or of the fact that this tiny herd allotment would be spread over the 158,000 acres of land to which Bundy held the grazing rights.

Thus, by effectively slaughtering the bulk of Bundy?s herd in such a blunderbuss way that the varmint interest is scarcely served, BLM can be understood by reasoning folk to have attempted to run Bundy -- and other ranchers -- off the land entirely. Here again is Blackmon:

When one understands these key facts, one realizes that such a tiny herd of cattle on such an enormous space would have no impact at all on the desert tortoise or any other plant or animal that lives there, and that no rancher could possibly make any sort of a living running such a tiny herd. Thus, the obvious conclusion is that BLM rendered its absurd decision with the clear expectation of running the Bundys off the land entirely. And that is a very reasonable conclusion to reach. After all, Mr. Bundy is in fact the ?last man standing? here ? the BLM strategy has worked so well that every other rancher with grazing rights in the region has given up and abandoned what had been their family?s way of life, in many cases, for generations.

Thus, BLM?s regulatory determination and implementation was very arguably, in the language of judicial review as it applies to administrative ?lawmen,? ?arbitrary and capricious? -- and therefore unlawful, whether a federal court has so declared or not.

I was about to post something similar to this. People who are just saying that Bundy is just a thief needed to get more info on the background of this situation.

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EddyTheDog · 04-11-2014, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I was about to post something similar to this. People who are just saying that Bundy is just a thief needed to get more info on the background of this situation.

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It does sound like he has a genuine grievance - I don't think this the best way of dealing with it though - I also wonder if the whole thing has been hijacked by some groups and unfortunately this farmer is going to come out the worst...

dyna mo · 04-11-2014, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

It does sound like he has a genuine grievance - I don't think this the best way of dealing with it though - I also wonder if the whole thing has been hijacked by some groups and unfortunately this farmer is going to come out the worst...

he's OTR stating he will fight for his rights until the end.

While it's good those agents ultimately walked away in the earlier excalation but this is all about control and blm won't just walk away from this entirely. HOPEFULLY we all learned from waco that escalation doesn't work. it's a complex issue now.

tony286 · 04-11-2014, 02:31 PM

Forbes and infowars lol

_Richard_ · 04-11-2014, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Forbes and infowars lol

washingtontimes now?

i guess we need to wait till fox news?

DWB · 04-11-2014, 02:38 PM

All this is because the US government wants money to allow his cows to eat their grass on land they are not using, and the guy isn't paying it?

Sorry, I have not been following this. But at a glance, it seems a little silly.

Vendzilla · 04-11-2014, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tony286

Forbes and infowars lol

There are several agencies reporting the same thing.

Don't come in here and blow it off because of "YOUR" judgement of the source

You can see it in the video if you would have BOTHERED to watch it. Why would that many agents show up for dump trucks and back hoes? Or didn't you see that?

_Richard_ · 04-11-2014, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DWB

All this is because the US government wants money to allow his cows to eat their grass on land they are not using, and the guy isn't paying it?

Sorry, I have not been following this. But at a glance, it seems a little silly.

well, they want more money.. more money than he has already paid at a state level.

Best-In-BC · 04-11-2014, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco67

I don't know who is wrong or right -- but I do know it's getting harder for cops be dicks when an entire crowd is taking smartphone video. Just imagine if there was no video of the incident. There would be some tazed people laying all over the place.

Every law enforcement org should be videotaping every interaction they make with the public. It would probably keep cops in line more, and show exactly how something went down.

Yeah, every cop needs a camera on him at all times while on duty, if that's a problem, they should all be fired on the spot.

SilentKnight · 04-11-2014, 03:52 PM

After readin' all this thread...still not sure which side to take.

I'll wait for the skirmish clips on YT.

baddog · 04-11-2014, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Did you even read any of the shitty articles? Hell I even posted it here. He has almost one thousand cows and he stopped paying fees 20 years ago.

as I was saying . . .

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Originally Posted by dyna mo

that's a pretty extreme claim. Besides, fracking can take place with cattle around. those 2 things can mutually exist. Hell, companies are fracking in neighborhoods elsewhere, there's no reason to clear out the cattle so the blm can do fracking leases.

I always loved his news sources

And if they let Bundy stay, why can't everyone else bring their cattle there?

crockett · 04-11-2014, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SilentKnight

After readin' all this thread...still not sure which side to take.

I'll wait for the skirmish clips on YT.

Yea it's kind of a odd case. I was leaning toward siding with the govt on this, but now it seems not quite 100% cut and dry. I still think it's questionable if he has any rights if he didn't keep paying, but seems to be some uncertainty about that as well.

At this point I'll just wait and see what plays out.

crockett · 04-11-2014, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

as I was saying . . .

I always loved his news sources

And if they let Bundy stay, why can't everyone else bring their cattle there?

It seems ranchers did have their cattle there and it was completely legal, but the govt changed the rules and set a limit of 150 head of cattle per lease. This is what it seems started the issues in the past they could have several thousand head if they wanted.

Matt 26z · 04-11-2014, 07:00 PM

If something about this story doesn't add up, read this:

http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen...f-bundy-ranch/

Sen. Harry Reid and his son set up a deal with the Chinese government for one of their power companies to use area land for a solar farm, so this rancher had to go.

Yes, it was technically illegal for the rancher to continue using the land, but the state of Nevada and locals did not care. This was entirely a federal government action that was unwanted by the state and locals.

Bump this thread in several years. Harry Reid and/or his son will have profited big money from this. More importantly, they should have given this project to an American company. Apparently there is more money for them in selling out to the Chinese.

tony286 · 04-12-2014, 04:05 AM

The guy said fuck you I'm not paying because of some Mormon bullshit. He said they had no rights to be the landlord. When consider he stopped paying in 93, they gave him lots of rope. Also info wars is fiction.people are posting opinion sites and op pages. Read the Las Vegas review article sums it all up without the hyper partisan bullshit. And vend if i posted daily kos or mother Jones links you would be bitching how they are bullshit.

EddyTheDog · 04-12-2014, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

...Yes, it was technically illegal for the rancher to continue using the land...

So if it's only 'technically' illegal it's OK?..

It's you conspiracy nuts that use these minor technicalities to screw your pet targets day in day out - Sorry, it works both ways.....

AaronM · 04-12-2014, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

It seems ranchers are allowed to use the BLM land for cattle grazing, but they have to pay a fee. This guy seems to be the only guy whom refuses to pay the fee as all the other ranchers in the area do pay it....

All of what other ranchers are paying these fees? There are ZERO other ranchers as the BLM ran them all out. Bundy is literally the last man standing.

This thread is overflowing with misinformation and ignorant opinions...Even for GFY standards.

potter · 04-12-2014, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by crockett

Well after digging through a bunch of shitty articles...

It seems ranchers are allowed to use the BLM land for cattle grazing, but they have to pay a fee. This guy seems to be the only guy whom refuses to pay the fee as all the other ranchers in the area do pay it. Added to this this Cliven Bundy guy used to pay the fee but he stopped paying in 1993 claiming he had the right to use the land for free because of his Mormon ancestors.

He claims he owes 300k in fees the fed govt says it's closer to 1.1 mil in fees from 1993 to now and it's just short of 1k cows.

So it's a case of some guy thinks he can use public land for free to make money with out paying a dime because his ancestors did, but they don't own the land nor does he. On the flip side regardless if it's $300k or 1 mil that's a lot of money to pay in fees, but I guess we are taking over 20 years meaning 300k probably isn't bad if he had on average a thousand cows each of those 20 years. 1 mil is likely pretty excessive..

Exactly, guy is a crazy one and tried to freeload and cheat the system.

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this is hitting banoosh and OWS as of yesterday

tazering pregnant women is bad mojo

Survival of the fittest, if you're pregnant and go obstructing justice and get yourself tazered - hopefully that baby isn't born and those genetics aren't passed on to another generation.

dyna mo · 04-12-2014, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

The guy said fuck you I'm not paying because of some Mormon bullshit. He said they had no rights to be the landlord. When consider he stopped paying in 93, they gave him lots of rope. Also info wars is fiction.people are posting opinion sites and op pages. Read the Las Vegas review article sums it all up without the hyper partisan bullshit. And vend if i posted daily kos or mother Jones links you would be bitching how they are bullshit.

which lvr article?

http://www.reviewjournal.com/search/...type%3Aarticle

I just read all 11 articles in that search and none of them had any better non-partisan explanation of events than the one I posted on page 1 here.

particularly, which lvr article are you claiming clearly reveals bundy is motivated purely by his religion?

Vendzilla · 04-12-2014, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by tony286

The guy said fuck you I'm not paying because of some Mormon bullshit. He said they had no rights to be the landlord. When consider he stopped paying in 93, they gave him lots of rope. Also info wars is fiction.people are posting opinion sites and op pages. Read the Las Vegas review article sums it all up without the hyper partisan bullshit. And vend if i posted daily kos or mother Jones links you would be bitching how they are bullshit.

Please tell me just once where I blew off something because of the source and only the source, that has been a tool of the liberal leaning on this forum of which you are one of.

Because I'm against our present administration, everyone calls me a republican, I'm a registered Libertarian.

It would probably shock you to know I read Mother Jones, but they have nothing on the Bundy Ranch.

And the Daily Kos is blaming right wing news sources for the problems.

I read several of the liberal news sites, I'm going to buying advertising from them soon for something I'm working on

trevesty · 04-12-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Not sure what to think about this so far, but I do think the BLM sending all those idiot officers with tasers out and dogs barking is not the right way to deal with protesters.

We have a right to protest, no matter what the cause, people on this forum bash the Tea party because they have a different view, but they have the right to protest. I hope this doesn't turn into another WACO, because believe it or not, there wasn't any illegal guns found there and that's why they "Said" They raided them for.

The rancher threatened violence if they did anything. That's pretty easy to find out by reading the reuters article. He's pretty much said "I don't have to obey the law, come try and make me assholes lol!! i'm so tough!!"

Now they're making him their bitch rightfully so.

Vendzilla · 04-12-2014, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by trevesty

He's pretty much said "I don't have to obey the law, come try and make me assholes lol!! i'm so tough!!"

Now they're making him their bitch rightfully so.

You putting words in someones mouth makes you look like a real asshole.

If he had threatened the officials, they would have arrested him, you're not very smart are you?

I've actually read a lot of this and I have yet to see where he has made any threats other than he has a gun. Stay out of these threads till you can muster an opinion based on fact and not hype!

trevesty · 04-12-2014, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

All of what other ranchers are paying these fees? There are ZERO other ranchers as the BLM ran them all out. Bundy is literally the last man standing.

This thread is overflowing with misinformation and ignorant opinions...Even for GFY standards.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A390QI20140410

"Thousands of other ranchers".

trevesty · 04-12-2014, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You putting words in someones mouth makes you look like a real asshole.

If he had threatened the officials, they would have arrested him, you're not very smart are you?

I've actually read a lot of this and I have yet to see where he has made any threats other than he has a gun. Stay out of these threads till you can muster an opinion based on fact and not hype!

Oh ok, well go have fun on infowars reading a bunch of bullshit by looney tune dorks off of their medication.

Vendzilla · 04-12-2014, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by trevesty

Oh ok, well go have fun on infowars reading a bunch of bullshit by looney tune dorks off of their medication.

And you declare some defense of your stance defaming one of the sources used in this thread in defense of your ignorance, FAIL!

Look again dip shit, many sources have come up. Fuck, must be early in the morning for you!

trevesty · 04-12-2014, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Vendzilla

And you declare some defense of your stance defaming one of the sources used in this thread in defense of your ignorance, FAIL!

Look again dip shit, many sources have come up. Fuck, must be early in the morning for you!

Stop projecting old man.

dyna mo · 04-12-2014, 10:41 AM

quote of the week!

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No cow justifies the atmosphere of intimidation which currently exists

Vendzilla · 04-12-2014, 10:42 AM

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Stop projecting old man.

I guess you are the one off his meds, what the fuck does my age have to do with it?

At least my mind still works, more than you can say!

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04-11-2014, 10:29 AM	#66
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 30,986	since the turtles didn't just show up, i can only assume they have been fending for themselves for the entire time humans have been in the area..

04-11-2014, 12:43 PM	#71
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 30,986	http://m.reviewjournal.com/news/wate...-bundy-roundup 'Collins said Utahns are “inbred bastards” and if they come to Clark County to support Bundy they “better have funeral plans.” Collins also told Bushman that they should mind their “own (expletive) business.”'

04-11-2014, 01:46 PM	#72
_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 30,986	washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/11/militias-head-nevada-ranchers-standoff-feds-were-n/ cellphone tower shut down confirmed

04-11-2014, 02:31 PM	#76
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Forbes and infowars lol

04-11-2014, 02:38 PM	#78
DWB Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Encrypted. Access denied. Posts: 31,779	All this is because the US government wants money to allow his cows to eat their grass on land they are not using, and the guy isn't paying it? Sorry, I have not been following this. But at a glance, it seems a little silly.

04-11-2014, 03:52 PM	#82
SilentKnight Megan Fox's fluffer Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: shooting pool in Elysium Posts: 24,818	After readin' all this thread...still not sure which side to take. I'll wait for the skirmish clips on YT.

04-11-2014, 07:00 PM	#86
Matt 26z So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: ¤ª"˜¨๑۩۞۩๑¨˜"ª¤ Posts: 18,481	If something about this story doesn't add up, read this: http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen...f-bundy-ranch/ Sen. Harry Reid and his son set up a deal with the Chinese government for one of their power companies to use area land for a solar farm, so this rancher had to go. Yes, it was technically illegal for the rancher to continue using the land, but the state of Nevada and locals did not care. This was entirely a federal government action that was unwanted by the state and locals. Bump this thread in several years. Harry Reid and/or his son will have profited big money from this. More importantly, they should have given this project to an American company. Apparently there is more money for them in selling out to the Chinese.